User talk:Ghostexorcist/Archive 4

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Regarding the citing of source for Wu Song article

Sorry, I deleted the request from my talk page because I felt that I have already cited my source. If I was not wrong, I stated that the information came from the 1980s TV serial based on the Water Margin. My aim was to show a difference as to how Wu Song lost his arm in the serial and in the novel, and if you find that the information is unreliable, you can just remove it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonelydarksky (talkcontribs)

You must provide a source showing the tv show really existed and which provides a cast list. Just saying it existed and naming a star isn't sufficient.(Ghostexorcist 20:37, 17 May 2007 (UTC))

Re: Jimblack

I've had on end of trouble with this guy. Its hard to say if he's a vandal or just an idiot, but he does seem rather unconcerned with anything anyone else thinks. He also, obviously, has no clue how to tag an image.--Fyre2387 (talkcontribs) 20:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey Ghostexorcist

That's a cool name by the way. Lol. Wow, those are very good questions you've presented me with on my talk page. I'm afraid I don't know anything about you (besides what's listed on your user page), and I think the only freedom a man truly has is to make his own decisions. I don't know your desires or what might happen to you along the road of life, but I can say with certainty now that, since I am taking my first Elementary Chinese language course this summer, my own future will be brighter (in terms of employment). I am a general history major right now, and when I get into grad school I will focus primarily on either Asian Studies or Chinese history (even I don't know which I want to limit myself to). If Chinese history is what you are after most, then pursue it. That is my advice. You don't have to use it, though.--PericlesofAthens 03:23, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your request on Shaolin Soccer

I'd be more than happy to improve Shaolin Soccer. I really love that film too. But right now, I am nominating Kung Fu Hustle for featured article status. So, I'll be with you shortly.--Kylohk 10:29, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

And just to let you know, I've been watching that page as well. Great improvements. I will try to help if possible. — WiseKwai 12:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Reply to question at WP:RD

The only possible position I can find is full-forward, so I would imagine that is what it stands for. Good luck! --LuigiManiac 13:27, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Thích Quảng Đức

Greetings. After being contacted by Ghostexorcist and reading through the history, I'm sending the same message to both Blnguyen and Ghostexorcist about the Thích Quảng Đức article. In my experience (at least) you are both quite reasonable to work with. So, if I were to guess, I'm fairly sure the disagreement is a misunderstanding based on WP:TRIVIA rather than any POV issue and can be worked out to your mutual satisfaction with some diplomatic discussion. Regards, --Fire Star 火星 15:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I have never met censorship of a Talk page. What right do you have to do such censorship? I haven't vandalized the poor quality article, I'm only discussing.Xx236 09:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I have the right (just like every other editor) to remove whatever material from the talkpage that is not aimed at the betterment of the page. Your original comment was based on POV and contributed nothing. The Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines page clearly states “Talk pages are not a forum for editors to argue their own different points of view about controversial issues”. Need I say more? (Ghostexorcist 09:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC))

Yes, say more more - why the text is so poor and discussing it is a crime?Xx236 09:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

If you actually contribute something that will improve the article, your stuff won't be deleted. You have a lovely day. (Ghostexorcist 10:11, 20 June 2007 (UTC))

Re: Thank you for the book recommendations

I think Tiberiu is going to be very busy writing another great book about the relationship between Judaism and China! Albert Cheng 21:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Zhou Tong article

Good job, the article looks great. It was a good read, and looks better with the new sections.--PericlesofAthens 01:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks good. I'll give it a more thorough going over today. As for the other thing, since you've gotten no reply, I'll suggest WP:RFC , specifically Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Religion and philosophy for a wider range of opinion. --Fire Star 火星 14:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


Hey, have I invited you to join WP:3K] yet? If not, then consider yourself invited... :-) Ling.Nut 03:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:F58304gux2w.jpg)

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Zhou Tong (archer)

I dunno. Some of the FA reviewers are names that I know, but some of them are looking kinda newbie-ish. You need to start asking questions like "Which part of WP:MOS covers that? Where did you see that in WP:CITE?"

Ling.Nut 12:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC) a polite, non-challenging way, I mean, of course. You're just asking for clarification/information on various comments, for informational purposes, etc. Ling.Nut 12:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey Ghost

To your question, the two related articles are Shen Kuo and Society of the Song Dynasty. In Shen Kuo's article I mentioned Song Ci only in a sentence that was relevant to the subject of Shen Kuo on anatomy. In the Society article, I actually formulated a whole new sub-section on him under the overhead Law and Order section (but wasn't able to say much). Thanks for helping out, Mr. Exorcist. Lol.--PericlesofAthens 00:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey Ghost, just thought I'd let you know that I recently got the Tang Dynasty article up to GA status. Feel free to browse around and have a look at the improvements to the article.--PericlesofAthens 21:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


Congrats on the FA! Ling.Nut 23:01, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

My username

Yup. Got it in one :D It's coz I'm (supposedly) concentrating on Forbidden City now, see? --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 23:07, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Donghu ethnic tribe's hair style

I see that you reverted my editing in Jurchen. 髡髮 (kun fa) is the official name given to the hair style of Donghu ethnic tribes by Han Chinese historians. 禿髮 (tu fa) is a little unofficial. It could be due to the ordinary people's misreading of 髡 as 禿 in unofficially written records.--Jiejunkong 02:13, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Image:Zhou Tong (small).jpg

No problem. Sorry the skin's still somewhat purple; I'm not quite sure how to adjust that. 17Drew 22:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your message requesting my opinion on the replacement, yes, this is a marked improvement. Well done on finding another image. :). vlad§inger tlk 23:09, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


Wow awesome work you did on the FA today! Yay for promoting Chinese articles! Congrats! 07:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Zhou Tong (archer)

Wow, great to see this article reaching featured status. I read it today and it turned out great. Very intresting read. The only issue I noticed is double wikilinking and some terms which should be straigh forward without wiki-linking. Examples would be the Yue Fei article which is wiki-linked quite a lot while words like undershirt are wikilinked but probably shouldn't. I guess it's up to you since it's more of a personal preference for me to have little wiki-linking. Anyway, good luck on your next article. — Tutmosis 17:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Needing some help with citations

I recently nominated Society of the Song Dynasty for GA status, and since you have the scholarly source on him, I need to have proper citations for those quotes about forensics from Song Ci's book Collected Cases of Injustice Rectified in order to pass my article for GA status. If you could provide those to me I would be very grateful. Thanks!--PericlesofAthens 02:41, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Help with an article

Hi! I've noticed that you have contributed a lot to the Jurchen and the Jin Dynasty articles, I was wondering if you could look at this article Kim Hambo created recently by User:Kprideboi. It is supposedly about "Shizu", sort of the ancestor of the founder of the Jurchen Jin dynasty, yet much of the contents displayed are the "disputed" informations that were often removed from the Jin Dynasty article and they are not referenced nor are they particularly well-written. Some of the claims, such as claiming the leader came from the Kingdom of Silla, labeling the Jin Dynasty as "Kim Empire", the Korean name of the person itself... is quite out there. What do you think of it? Is the article going to create problems? Is it too biased? Could you maybe do some adjusting to it?--TheLeopard 22:55, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Anon vandal

I gave him a 48 hour block. I don't see any problem protecting the page or asking for a higher tech intervention if he comes back as another IP, as there is a well established pattern of vandalism now. Cheers, --Fire Star 火星 03:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I've done a little digging to find the applicable documentation: we can and have blocked entire ISPs due to IP hopping vandals, and this guy may find that out if he gets too obnoxious. --Fire Star 火星 03:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ghost!

Hi Ghost, thanks for the tip on the nameless people of the railroads... I'm still busy studying for prelims, but will need a book later to read on a flight overseas... if you can chip in to help User:Jmabel with Chin Gee Hee I'd be grateful!!  :-) Ling.Nut 13:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Zhou Tong

Are you chinese speaker?If not,it's really amazing to see so much refs you had found,it seems you add all one can find on the english cyberworld.--Ksyrie(Talkie talkie) 00:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Zhou Tong was a historic person,who had been mentioned in the History of Song,but I knew him only when I read some novels relating Yue Fei and other martial heros.So He was surely a skilled archer,whether he was a KongFu fighter remains much in the image of novelist.BTW,the featured Zhou Tong article echos in chinese wikipedia,I can show your the links here. some ediors do praise your works,what a pity you cannt read chinese.--Ksyrie(Talkie talkie) 00:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
His death year is changed in the Chinese version. You are really into that fictional guy. :) --Mongol 01:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ghost, still need your specific help

Hi, Pericles once more. I hope this is not too much of a burden, but I need your help with the quotations from the book written by Song Ci. Every Song Dynasty related article has now been lifted to GA or FA status except for Society of the Song Dynasty, which failed the GA review (due to a culmination of reasons that I have already fixed). However, there is but one little thing that will hold it back, and that is those quotations not having proper citation. It is crucial to the article, and once I have that article lifted to GA status I can focus on getting all of the Song Dynasty articles up to FA Topic status.

I know that you have the book source readily available to you that could help with this article. If you would be so kind as to lend a helping hand, it would be more than greatly appreciated. I wish the person who had posted it in the first place would have just been responsible enough to properly cite them, but that person did not. I don't want all of this hard work of mine held back by two measly citations missing for otherwise awesome quotations. Are you able to help?--PericlesofAthens 11:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough and thanks for replying, Ghost. I wish I owned the book that you have, so that I wouldn't be so helpless in fixing my own problem. If it is far too difficult to find the exact quotes in your book source, I will simply take those (rather good) quotes out of the article, because they jeopardize its ability to pass the GA review. However, if you are not incredibly busy, that would be awesome if you, on your own behalf, could find suitable replacements in your book for those quotes; new quotes that would be equally as good in terms of relevance towards early forensic reasoning and practices in Song China. If you did such a thing for me, I would owe you big time, as in I would have to return the favor somehow. :)--PericlesofAthens 13:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Ghost. The article is up once more for GA review. I don't know if those quotes are going to hold it back or not, but if you could find ones that are just as good in your own book, quotes about Song Ci's interests in using autopsy to determine and solve criminal cases, that would be the best thing ever. Thanks.--PericlesofAthens 16:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Dude! You have no idea how helpful that was. That was the coolest thing you've probably done in months, possibly years. Lol. I am in debt to you, sir, hats off. If you feel like sharing more, please, don't be shy with the info! It's pretty good stuff. I definitely got my fix for the day utilizing those quotes, and I didn't even need my crack pipe. Lol.--PericlesofAthens 19:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


Pretty good. I really think that whole article is ready for a push towards GA status (do Peer review first).Peter Rehse 01:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

By the way Aikido is up for FA status. A bit of support would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Aikido.Peter Rehse 11:48, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

RE: Graphics Lab

Thanks for your comments about the Zhou Tong image, I've replied on the Images to Improve Page, as has Rugby 471. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 09:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey Ghost, I will fiddle with the image in a couple of hours. As for learning inkscape, I started small and fiddled with it till I learned how. If you want to learn how to do specific things their website explains how to do the basics. I made the ouline using bezier curves which is an option on the left side. You can fill by making a curve and right clicking in the bottom left and pulling up the fill and stroke options and clicking on the second box on the top. Cheers--Cronholm144 16:04, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


To get the image into Inkscape:

  • Go to the Zhou Tong image page
  • Under the image, there should be a link titled Zhou_Tong_GR.svg‎
  • Right-click on this link and select Save Target As (or equivalent)
  • Save it to your PC
  • Open Inkscape
  • Goto The File Menu, then Open
  • Navigate to the copy of Zhou_Tong_GR.svg on your PC, and click Open
  • That should do it.

If that was clear as mud, I'm sorry. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 10:35, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear that it worked. As far as tutorials are concerned, the ones embedded into Inkscape (under the help menu) are pretty good. I started learning to use Inkscape by tracing things, you might want to try tracing your windows paint image. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 13:20, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the info on Yue Fei, it was a very good analysis. Plus, I agree, it would have been interesting if Yue conquered Jin and turned against Song. But who's to say what would have happened in such a scenario, other than it would have been a lot harder for the Mongols to conquer a united China.--Pericles of AthensTalk 19:29, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know

I recently put the Song Dynasty article up for FAC review. Feel free to visit the FAC talk page and comment. Thanks.--Pericles of AthensTalk 13:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Two matters

Dear Ghostexorcist/Archive 4, you are invited to join the move request for Goku since it's been much slower than expected. I also asked something at WP:WPDB and thought you could help in seeking the answer. Much thanks, Lord Sesshomaru 18:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Military and civilian combat arts of Zhou Tong

I have re removed the titles pelase see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Academic titles regarding this. --Nate1481( t/c) 10:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Yue Fei

I sent you a message at CHF and posted the first response to the thread. :)--Pericles of AthensTalk 11:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Zhou Tong titles

I have discussed this before, and Grandmaster etc falls under the same type. To say he is the grandmaster (ideal in the lead) is fine, but repeated use is like using 'Mr.' before someone's name. --Nate1481( t/c) 16:47, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Even for different individuals the same principle applies, saying "such & such is grandmaster of x style" is fine, but using is as a title is incorrect. I did read the article in brief, then removed the titles, re-reading I think I may have removed a couple from quotes in error. I use a simple rule of thumb for this; Would you include the title in the name of an article on the individual? Hope that makes sense.
This article is less of an issue than most but I make a big deal of it as lots of created last year styles insist on referring to there founder as 'Grandmaster Dr. MeTo O'sensai' at every mention.--Nate1481( t/c) 08:50, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Northern Praying Mantis (martial art)

I'm afraid I don't. Sorry. JFD 11:37, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:Zhou Tong (small).jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Zhou Tong (small).jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. vlad§inger tlk 15:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Kalki Purana

Hmm... sounds like a good idea, it would solve the problem of all of those future statements. I just hope it doesn't give people the impression that it's not a prophetic work... but you're right, I guess we could just write that it is a prophecy at the top. Right now, I'm trying to find articles about other prophetic works to see what they did... Also more information needs to be added to the Kalki Purana article than the events... I'll see what I can do about that... Shruti14 (talkcontribs) 18:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Should I go ahead and make the change? OR another idea... some of the prophecy-related articles are written in either progressive tense (i.e. "he would do" or "he will do" instead of "he did") or present tense. Should either of thses be used? Shruti14 (talkcontribs) 14:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
OK, as per your suggestion, I will leave it as is for now. Yes, I did find the Sanskrit text on the Internet, here. Thanks for the reminder - it has been added to the External Links section. --Shruti14 t c s 19:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

RE: Fair Use

I've made a comment over at Wikipedia Talk:Graphic Lab; I hope it helps. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 21:45, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


I saw your messages about TheRingess adding an OR tag to an article. I have had a lot of trouble with TheRingess myself and am currently engaged in the Mediation Cabal over these problems. If you have problems with her, don't hesitate to go to mediation etc. It seems a few people have had problems with her. Personally, I'll drag her all the way to Arbitration if necessary.

Sardaka 10:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Merging Four Buddhist Persecutions in China and Three Disasters of Wu

Since you are the only one to comment (and apparently the creator of at least one of the articles), would you care to perform the merge? Pairadox 02:16, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Zhou Tong again

MediaWiki's awful rendering of SVG is to blame here. There is a blur on the lines on the face of Zhou, so they have not been rendered. I've removed the blur and smoothed some of the curves out. It's back at User:DTR/Sandbox. If you still want to use blur, you'd have to export the SVG to a PNG image first.

Also, the reason you can see the image properly is that when you click on it, it is being rendered by your browser (and at full size), instead of MediaWiki. As far as I know, Safari, Firefox and Opera and possibly Konquerer contain support for SVG, whereas Internet Explorer requires the use of Abode's SVG plugin to render SVG. IMO, Opera does the best rendering.--Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 08:37, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

PS. I'm glad to see that the picture has been added to Northern Praying Mantis (martial art).

Your 3RR report of User:Zsero

Be aware, I previously reported User:Zsero for violating 3RR at Fred Thompson four times in a three hour period. Despite his clearly and blatantly violating 3RR, no action was taken against him because "blocking him would have been punitive, not preventative." Italiavivi 18:09, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Not being involved or informed in the content or editing of that article myself, I cannot contribute to the content dispute. I could take some time to look at it, but I hope you are aware that I might not even agree with your stance afterwards. Please be careful asking people to "make reverts for you," it could be construed as WP:MEAT. I wish you all the best in seeing that User:Zsero is held accountable for his lack of regard for WP:3RR and WP:CONSENSUS, though. Italiavivi 18:42, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I looked over your dispute. See WP:SEEALSO:

The "See also" section provides an additional list of internal links to other articles in Wikipedia that are related to this one as a navigational aid, and it should ideally not repeat links already present in the article or link to pages that do not exist. Mostly, topics related to an article should be included within the text of the article as free links.

Your inclusion of another notable Asian group definitely abides by the layout guide. Hata clan and Kaifeng Jews are definitely suitable related subjects for mutual "see also" links. Italiavivi 18:56, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

3RR allegation

You claim that I've breached WP:3RR on Kaifeng Jews. I was startled to see this allegation, so I checked the history, and there is clearly no violation there. I strongly advise you not to make a report on this, as you'll only be hurting your own reputation. I also suggest that you read the "see also" section you so kindly pointed out to me, since it talks only of "internal links to other articles in Wikipedia that are related to this one". The links that Elias Enoc and you have been adding are unrelated to the article, and that's why I've been removing them. If you really think they're related, make a case for it. Zsero 18:13, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Someone who openly violates WP:3RR is startled to see allegations that he did it again? Italiavivi 18:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)