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CS1 error on Anthony Milford[edit]

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Script-powered changes[edit]

Hello Moist hammer,

I reverted you on TSR awhile ago. After I was later reverted, I reverted again with some more detailed comments in the edit summary for the problems diff. While (unfortunately, IMO, as there's some black-letter, policy guidelines saying otherwise) yet others reverted me and restored your edit for very poor reasons IMO (and I'll let it go because whatever, I don't own the page), I remain concerned with whatever script you're using. There's no need to remove double spaces, which as my later edit summary noted are explicitly allowed and thus not a problem. Same with changing explicity ndashes / mdashes into Unicode characters (hyphens and ndashes look totally identical to me and thus make it difficult to know which form of dash is being used, so your change removes my ability to double-check that even though I'm the editor who added this content). However, even if that's a lost battle and just SnowFire being cranky (plenty of people "disagree" with me on these, despite the fact that Wikipedia endorses multiple editing styles that are invisible and harmless to the user), I see you're still making some changes that are not good in general quite aside from my preferences. Notably, it seems you switch the order of two references in a row sometimes? I can't understand the reason for doing such a thing, but it's a meaningless, "noise" change that has no impact on the article. Whatever system is doing that isn't worth it. You also are still changing author-link to authorlink (sample diff). This is the reverse of the canonical form - if anything, scripts should do the *reverse* and change authorlink to author-link. See Help:Citation_Style_1#Authors. Finally, in the TSR edit, you added in an "of the same name" easter egg link. This is, admittedly, a somewhat common pattern on Wikipedia, but it's a very bad one. See WP:OFTHESAMENAME - which yes, is an essay not a policy, but it's an antipattern writing style that should be avoided whenever possible. And even if you do like it for articles you maintain, it absolutely should not be added by a script as a Wikignome passerby thing. (EDIT: And one other thing - you modified bestseller list to best-seller list? One, that isn't an error, and two, while both forms are valid, you've modified to the rarer version. Again, fine as a stylistic choice on an article you're writing, but not something to impose on many unrelated articles you haven't written - it's not an "error." Also, you changed the spacing around hyphens, but you should never ever modify anything inside a quote for any reason other than checking the source and seeing that it doesn't match Wikipedia - see MOS:QUOTE, quoting overrides basically any local style guide here.)

I hope the above doesn't come across as too aggressive or hostile, but I'd kinda hoped that you'd have read the edit summary and at least slowed down, but maybe getting reverted made you conclude that everything is fine. Even if you refuse to listen to me on things like double spaces (despite, as noted above, being explicitly allowed, if a rarer style), I think the author-link and "of the same name" changes are important. Is it possible to modify your script to not do them? SnowFire (talk) 03:09, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I’m not using a script.
If I changed bestseller to best-seller, it’s because there was another instance of the word in the article that was actually hyphenated so I was making it consistent with that. So therefore the error I corrected is not so much the spelling, but the inconsistency. Also, hyphens and en-dashes don’t look the same to me. I can tell the difference: the latter is longer. I cannot help you with your inability to spot the difference, I’m sorry. Moist hammer (talk) 10:05, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, my apologies. You have very standardized edit summaries so I assumed you were running a script with possibly some light after-the-fact modifications, but I guess not. Were you just manually changing author-link to authorlink each time then? Per above, please don't do that. And what exactly are the reference order swaps? Are you really doing those manually? If so, for what reason?
On best-seller vs. bestseller, this is the article as it looked before your edit. I can't find any instances of best-seller from a quick CTRL-F. It's not a huge deal if it was just a mistaken attempt to enforce consistency, of course, but I'd recommend against "fixing" when no such inconsistency exists, per above.
Well it's nice that you can tell the difference between hyphens easily. I can't. However, I'm the one who frequently edits the article and maintains it, so if it has no reader impact, I'd argue my preferences should matter at least a little. That said, you did make your edit and move on, so I'm really more annoyed at the others who reinstated your edit than you on this one, I suppose. SnowFire (talk) 06:43, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also, on reflection, I hope that I don't come across as too imperious before - to be clear, I'm not the boss of Wikipedia, and I'm not trying to scare you off contributing or anything. Some of your changes seem helpful and are appreciated. If the tone was a bit alarmist before, I was presuming you were running a malfunctioning script above, which does indeed has rather stronger concerns attached to it (as it implies a "bad" change can be made with speed in lots of places at once). That said, I do stand by my comments - some of your changes aren't great, but I'm trying to persuade you that they're not great, not order you around or anything. So apologies if the above came off wrong. SnowFire (talk) 15:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It’s alright, I can handle the constructive criticism. But I won’t be changing the way I edit unless I’m convinced it’s not just because it clashes with someone else’s personal style. I’m merely making changes to conform with the way I consistently notice other articles are styled. To wit, I noticed a lot of the time ‘authorlink’ (without the hyphen) seems to be acceptable and widely adopted without any issues, so I see no reason to remove the hyphens when I see them, despite the link you provided which, I should note, doesn’t not implicitly instruct to leave them in. The parameter still works without them. Also, the reference swaps are to have multiple references in ascending numerical order where there are more than one. It’s not uncommon to come across instances where they're out of order – which looks worse. I’m just making things consistent. Also, it’s perfectly acceptable to alter/standardise the punctuation in a quote; it says in your MS:QUOTE link, "A quotation is not a facsimile and, in most cases, it is not a requirement that the original formatting be preserved." Anyway, that’s all. Thanks. Moist hammer (talk) 16:07, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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NBA pick trades[edit]

Please stop changing the unambiguous better/best/worse/worst to the two possible meanings of higher/lower language; this page is for general users, not those who are thinking higher = lower number. Or change it to the officially used more/most/less/least favorable used in current NBA press releases. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 19:37, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, thank you, I will not stop changing it. If you want to dumb it down to ‘better’ or ‘worse’, then I suggest you edit the Simple English version. ‘Higher’ and ‘lower’ are the correct terms for an encyclopaedic article. There isn’t anything ambiguous about the terms ‘higher’ and ‘lower’ when it comes to draft picks. Where’s the ambiguity? What else could they possibly mean? If you care to understand further, Google the phrases “low/lower/lowest draft pick” and “high/higher/highest draft pick” and you’ll see plenty of other article writers employ them. It’s straightforward to understand: for example, the reason why a draft pick is ‘better’ (in your language) is because it’s higher, and the reason why it’d be ‘worse’ (again, in your preferred term), is because it’s lower. Kindly educate yourself, please, before trying to rope me in to following your unhelpful instructions. I won’t be dumbing anything down for anyone — including you. So, for now, goodbye and have a great day. Moist hammer (talk) 18:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

author-link parameter[edit]

Please don't change |author-link= in citation templates to its alias |authorlink=. As you can see in the CS1 template documentation at e.g. Template:Cite book, the name of the parameter is "author-link". The templates do happen to support "authorlink" in case someone omits the hyphen in error, but the standard two word parameter names are all concatenated with hyphens now rather than without punctuation as was the vogue a decade ago.

There's no reason to change the parameter's correct name to an incorrect one that still works, and in fact there is reason to do the reverse. Folly Mox (talk) 05:50, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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No diacritics used[edit]

Howdy. FWIW, we observe WP:NCIH concerning player names on non-player North American ice hockey pages. GoodDay (talk) 13:13, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Cosmetics[edit]

Hi there! Please note that making edits that do not change how the published page looks, automated or not, is heavily recommended against per WP:COSMETICBOT., and should only be made alongside an edit that changes things, unless the edit fixes a lint error. Also, removing the space from e.g. <br /> actually breaks the intended compatibility with XHTML when adding the slash. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:49, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When editing articles I’ve seen plenty of instances of the <br /> template with the space omitted (that were not a result of my edits). This is the first I’ve learnt that it is a problem. Moist hammer (talk) 15:00, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, it's something that many scripts such as WP:AutoEd fix by default. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All right, thanks. So in future when I see a template like <br/> or <ref name=example/> with no space before the forward slash should I insert one? Moist hammer (talk) 15:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it's part of an edit that changes how the published page actually looks, sure! Also, note that these are called elements, not templates, which are what you see inside {{curly brackets}}. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BRILL[edit]

If you look at BRILL you'll see it's tagged as a miscapitalization, so replacing Brill Publishers with BRILL is a step in a bad direction. You could use [[Brill Publishers|Brill]] if you prefer. Dicklyon (talk) 09:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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