User talk:Pakaran

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Welcome to my talk page.

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Thank you for your humorous, but relevant contributions to IRC Office Hours last week. They were much appreciated. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 23:48, 15 March 2014 (UTC)


Hi, Would you mind moving the RfC for pending changes to the project page so that the talk page can be used by others to comment? Hobit (talk) 15:15, 25 March 2014 (UTC)


Hope your weren't misinterpreting my comment as an attack on your closing approach or anything like that. I'm actually very happy to see the way you and jc37 are talking about the close and thought processes. I wish I kept my last sentence as "I know the closers have a difficult and thankless ( thanks btw ) job and very glad to see serious thought about the issues." as I originally wrote it before trimming my reply. PaleAqua (talk) 15:55, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

If I can get in on this thread ... if you'd rather reply more privately here than on the RfC talk page, that's fine. Can you elaborate a little bit on why you'd prefer to pull out? - Dank (push to talk) 21:58, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
I'd prefer not to pull out, honestly; I'm in this for the long haul. As I've mentioned onwiki in some of my old user page history, I do have some psychological concerns, including anxiety. I'm doing fine, receiving treatment, and benefiting from it, so I hope nobody's concerned for me -- in the scheme of things, I'm fairly healthy. However, when under stress, I do tend to at times second-guess my own judgement, and if I had been proceeding on a misunderstanding of policy, I felt obliged to make the offer. I'm not the most active of administrators, and I wanted to be sure I was not in over my head. Pakaran 00:49, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
How's it coming now? I can offer to step in if needed. - Dank (push to talk) 11:11, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Jc and I have both published closing statements at Wikipedia:Pending changes/Request for Comment 2014/Closure‎. Is there anything you'd like to add, or have us change? - Dank (push to talk) 18:40, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
I went inactive in large part because I was ashamed of not having taken greater part in this, despite my promises to do so. I don't necessarily agree with every sentence in the statement, but after this much delay (nearly a year since the RFC ended, and nearly half of one since the close), I'm just glad to have given input during the process. There's nothing that I feel a need to change, or reconsider; future RFCs will happen, and will be a much better tool for determining the community's perspective than anything I added now. Pakaran 02:59, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Pakaran and the PC2 close

Pakaran has one edit since April, and he's talked about some problems he's having, so I've offered to step in (if I can be helpful) over on his talk page. DP and JC ... any thoughts, any objections? - Dank (push to talk) 11:22, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I'll be active again before the end of the long weekend. I was waiting for the closer page to pop up on my watchlist; I thought that having expressed my opinions, waiting for the other closers to react was reasonable. Sorry for any role I had in the delay; I acknowledge that the earlier (feb-march) delays were largely my fault. Pakaran 01:32, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
No worries. I'm sorry to hear my edits to the page missed your watchlist. (As of this timestamp, I was the last to edit the page.) If there is any section you would like more thought/comment/discussion/clarification from me, I'm all ears. Just edit there with the request and I'll be happy to : ) - jc37 01:37, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Malin Byström

It's not clear why you changed the DYK hook for Malin Byström. Your edit summary was "Less misogynist, perhaps?", from which one might reasonably infer that you were far from certain that the hook was misogynist. And how would it be misogynist anyway? That hook was reviewed, went to the prep area and then the main page without any such issue. And then you changed it to something very dull. Did you to discuss this with anyone first? Why have you not notified me or the reviewer? Edwardx (talk) 19:35, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

It looked misogynist by referring to a living person, even in a direct quote, by a description of her body. I can't believe that we'd call an athlete a "well-h*ng hunk" on the main page. As such, while I'm not sorry for making the change (I still feel it was warranted), I am sorry for not notifying you, and for not being fully conversant with policies in DYK, which isn't an admin area in which I frequently work. Pakaran 23:40, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for responding. Alas, I am unable to see anything misogynistic in the quote, "a svelte blonde beauty with the figure of a dancer". It is largely an aesthetic judgment, and as a regular opera and balletgoer, I can assure you that sopranos rarely have the body shape of ballerinas. Your "well-h*ng hunk" is a spurious analogy, as that phrase unambiguously has sexual content. Indeed, your use of an asterisk in the mild epithet "hung" suggests puritanism. If you will excuse my attempt at levity, perhaps you are "hung up". Also, by inference, if the chosen quote is misogynist, then I'm (a) misogynist, as is the reviewer, Hafspajen, and the admins who oversaw the hook's journey to the front page, where it remained for over six hours until your edit. Edwardx (talk) 19:33, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

OH, but that hook was a citation, and it was nothing Edwardx wrote. I think that it was a good hook. And very true, my friend who is singing opera by now is not beauty with the figure of a dancer any more as she was when she was 20. Probably this is what it makes it different, and notable for the journalist who wrote it. And beauty, what is wrong with beauty? She was very much judged in that article for her voice and performance. I don't think anyone was seeing her as an object. I don't think that it was a real sexual objectification of a women, as you feared. On the contrary, she is a skilled artist. And, ... how about the lists with world sexies men and such things... Hafspajen (talk) 19:57, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

An important message about renaming users

Dear Pakaran,

I am cross-posting this message to many places to make sure everyone who is a Wikimedia Foundation project bureaucrat receives a copy. If you are a bureaucrat on more than one wiki, you will receive this message on each wiki where you are a bureaucrat.

As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.

Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.

The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.

Your help is greatly needed during this process and going forward in the future if, as a bureaucrat, renaming users is something that you do or have an interest in participating in. The Wikimedia Stewards have set up, and are in charge of, a new community usergroup on Meta in order to share knowledge and work together on renaming accounts globally, called Global renamers. Stewards are in the process of creating documentation to help global renamers to get used to and learn more about global accounts and tools and Meta in general as well as the application format. As transparency is a valuable thing in our movement, the Stewards would like to have at least a brief public application period. If you are an experienced renamer as a local bureaucrat, the process of becoming a part of this group could take as little as 24 hours to complete. You, as a bureaucrat, should be able to apply for the global renamer right on Meta by the requests for global permissions page on 1 September, a week from now.

In the meantime please update your local page where users request renames to reflect this move to global renaming, and if there is a rename request and the user has edited more than one wiki with the name, please send them to the request page for a global rename.

Stewards greatly appreciate the trust local communities have in you and want to make this transition as easy as possible so that the two groups can start working together to ensure everyone has a unique login identity across Wikimedia projects. Completing this project will allow for long-desired universal tools like a global watchlist, global notifications and many, many more features to make work easier.

If you have any questions, comments or concerns about the SUL finalisation, read over the Help:Unified login page on Meta and leave a note on the talk page there, or on the talk page for global renamers. You can also contact me on my talk page on meta if you would like. I'm working as a bridge between Wikimedia Foundation Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Stewards, and you to assure that SUL finalisation goes as smoothly as possible; this is a community-driven process and I encourage you to work with the Stewards for our communities.

Thank you for your time. -- Keegan (WMF) talk 18:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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