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GOCE new template, category, etc.[edit]

Let me know when it is done. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:46, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

@Dthomsen8: Sure - should be sometime next week I hope.  Philg88 talk 05:53, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Good work. I will spread the word at Wikimania 2014 in London. I leave Phila. today.--DThomsen8 (talk) 15:36, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Safe journey or as we say in Chinese 一路平安.  Philg88 talk 15:50, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
How are you doing on this effort? No rush, just wondering. --DThomsen8 (talk) 07:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
@Dthomsen8: In progress - bit of a hiatus due to migration of templates to modules (Lua), under control though.  Philg88 talk 07:17, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
@Dthomsen8: I've now created {{GOCE pending}} and left a note here for other editors to comment. Best,  Philg88 talk 07:33, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Chinese Pavilion[edit]

Hello my friend. WOW! That is one impressive tower of CE-awards! Knowing you, you probably deserve twice as many. :) I'm starting with the last book now, and I realized that the Chinese Pavilion at Drottningholm will have to be mentioned somewhere in the SOIC. A look at said article left me unimpressed, so I expanded it. It's about art and I've visited the place a number of times so I knew most of it already, so no big deal. If you like you can cast a brief look at it, I think you might enjoy it as a humorous attempt by China-besotted Swedes to build something. I left some notes at the talk page, plus to my considerable surprise it had been overlooked at the Drottningholm Palace, so I put a sentence there plus a "main". Not sure if a corresponding "main" should be placed at the pavilion. A CE might be in order, but if you would like to do that, it can wait until you recover from the CE-drive, say... around Christmas? I just wanted a nice article to link to. I'll get back to the Grills soon enough, just wanted some light work to relax with today. Best, w.carter-Talk 13:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey kompis, good to hear from you. As you know I've done some copyediting on the pavilion article and it should be a bit better now. Sorry about having to put "Canton Street, Drottningholm" in full in the "Canton Street" section but the bare name is currently a redirect, which breaks the {{ill}} template I used for the cross-wiki link. That template is very smart, since it will automatically make itself vanish once the page is translated without the need for an editor to do anything. In this case it will need a manual pipe, so for now it will look ugly. Keep up the good work! Best,  Philg88 talk 07:53, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
You are, as usual, too kind in making such fast ce's. :) The {{ill}} thing was one of the first things I learned about here. I have not used it, since I prefer to make articles rather than red links. A apologize for my fellow countrymen calling streets and parts of towns names they have no business using, and messing up the Wiki. Thanks for straighten things out. When I wrote the thing I put the Canton community with '' since I was unsure of the status of the name. You changed it to "Canton". I have since learned that the part of Stockholm really is called Canton. Just like parts of London are called Camden, Soho or Hammersmith. And I'm at a bit of a loss of how to write it now. One way would be to use the modern Swedish name Kanton. The Swedish article is probably written by some history buff who used the C. It's a never-ending thing here with names, old spelling vs new. The same thing is going on with my town, Visby vs Wisby. It's a matter of style. Like if you live in the area you want the spelling to be Canton, but if you want to find it on Google maps or get a building permit from some state department you use the Kanton. Advise? Thanks again, w.carter-Talk 08:44, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, on English Wikipedia decisions like this are normally based on WP:COMMONNAME, kompis. In this case, because we're talking about a Swedish name, that's a bit problematic. I'm not sure if there is a Swedish equivalent of the Google Ngram tool, but if there is I would use that. Best,  Philg88 talk 12:10, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────As usual you point me in the right direction, and things turn out well.:) I've looked through all official sites and the right name is Kanton and Kantongatan. Only people living there and the SweWiki use the old spelling. You can see the proof here (hope the link works, it takes a while for it to upload the right place). For weird addresses see the official address of the Chinese Pavilion: Kina Slott, Kina, Kantongatan, 178 93 Drottningholm, Sverige. ^^ I also learned some useful things about official names of places in Sweden. Towns, companies and stuff that were known outside Sweden before we "went global" (about 40 years ago) usually have another name in English. Like Göteborg — Gothenborg. And I saw a heated discussion here about Riksdag vs "Riksdagen" not so long ago. For the rest the spelling is the same in Swedish and other languages. People today know that there are other letters in some alphabets than A–Z. This goes for streets as well see: Strandvägen eg. So no need to bother with translations, I've used Kantongatan in the article, and this simplifies a lot. You have really good instincts! Many old towns and companies are fighting to get their "real" name back. Skanska ditched their ring over the a, the "å", some years ago and now deeply regrets it. Gothenburg is taking the whole thing a step further: Why stop at reclaiming the name, why not make it "cyber". They are currently campaigning to flip the ö, making the spelling Go:teborg instead of Göteborg. So, long explanation, but since you are knee-deep in translations, maps, different languages, etc. I thought you might find such trivia amusing. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 18:33, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

I think you missed your vocation as a lexicographer :)  Philg88 talk 07:11, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Card carrying member of the Most Annoying Society of Investigating Wikipedians, sir. w.carter-Talk 08:25, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Translate from Chinese wikipedia[edit]

Would you be willing to work on translating the articles here if Madalibi is not able to?- User_talk:Madalibi#Qing_articles_which_should_be_translated_from_Chinese_wikipedia.Rajmaan (talk) 18:10, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey Rajmaan, thanks for the message. I don't want to tread on Madalibi's toes if he has this work in progress so let's see what he says before doing anything. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 18:22, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi Phil! I replied to Rajmaan's message on my talk page. Cheers, Madalibi (talk) 07:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC) Madalibi (talk) 07:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

England at the time of Aethelred c. 910[edit]

Philg88, your map appears prominently in the recently featured article Æthelred, Lord of the Mercians. Aside from the general high quality of the map, I noticed what may be an error in how a bit of continental Europe was labeled in the lower right of the map. It was labeled Fresia, by which you may have intended Frisia, but Frisia did not extend that far south. Possibly the area should be labeled Frankia or West Francia. Thanks! Nesbit (talk) 00:18, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Nesbit and thanks for letting me know about this. That was how that area was labelled in one of the original source maps so it may well be incorrect. To be on the safe side, I've removed it altogether since it's not really germane to the map topic anyway. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 06:27, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

A question about location maps[edit]

I see that you are active at the map request page. I recently added a request, but I wanted to explain that it isn't so much a "please make this map for me" as it is a help question - I'd like to use a map which already exists as a location map. I'm missing what has to be done, and willing to do so, but hoping for a pointer to the steps needed. I tried a search, but failed. I believe I need to identify the four corners of the map as coordinates, I suspect there is an easy way to do that, but I don;t know what it is, and I think I need to create a template using those coords. I think I've seen that you done some similar cases, so I am hoping you can just tell me what is needed, and I can do it.--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:42, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi there and thanks for the message. First off, you should be aware that templates are deprecated and that new location maps are now created in the module space. There is a tutorial here. As you correctly identify, the key is to identify the corners of the map. The easiest way to do this is with OpenStreetMap's export function. Once you have the general location on screen, select the export function from the menu bar, at which point it will probably complain that the area is too large. Either way, click on the "manually select a different area" under the coordinates shown, then move the corners of the displayed pink rectangle to where you want them. You now have the "box" of coordinates, which you can plug into your new module. Hope this helps but if not let me know. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 15:16, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick reply. I may not get to it right away, as I have to prepare for some all day classes, but I will try this soon.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:20, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome.  Philg88 talk 15:27, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


Thank you for fixing the article. :) It is now moved. (Yayh!) I have noticed that you from time to time like to do DYK's, something that I am totally unfamiliar with. I think this has to be done just after a new article is moved into main. Since you are as much involved in this article as I am, feel free to do one of those if you want to. Best, w.carter-Talk 08:25, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey Kompis, you're welcome. As for the DYK, I'm not sure if there is anything "hooky" enough for a submission. Some of the reviewers at DYK are fanatical about referencing and I'm not sure that even if we could pick an interesting fact that we'd be able to provide the necessary citations. It's up to you if you want to go ahead (and I'll help of course if needed) but the clock is ticking and you have 5 days to qualify the article for the DYK window. Best,  Philg88 talk 09:22, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
(watching) You have seven days now between creation and nomination, and when you nominate the article doesn't have to be all ready, - some get improved in weeks after the nom. Citations are needed, but again, you can add some later. Which article, btw? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:42, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the input Gerda, the article in question is Puankhequa. Best,  Philg88 talk 09:57, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
The article looks good to me, and I think his "European factories" are interesting ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Thanks, but I think I'll pass on this one. Just wanted to mention it.:) Btw, the "|ref=harv" you added to the ref is new to me. What is that? Something I have to add in other places? w.carter-Talk 11:21, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

If you use Harvard referencing (which includes {{sfn}}) then you need to provide an anchor point for the citation, which is what "ref=harv" does. You will only see errors caused by the omission of the parameter if you have this installed.  Philg88 talk 12:19, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @Gerda Arendt: While we're on the subject, can you see a DYK for Henry Lansdell? I can't but he did do some unusual things.  Philg88 talk 15:52, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Indeed ;) - just enter the source after distribution of religious tracts in Siberia's prisons, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Yes check.svg Done Sufficient do you think?  Philg88 talk 22:10, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Nice! Please a ref for the last sentence in the first paragraph, and projects on the talk. Will nominate after sleep ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Got to be done if only for the photo (pictured dressed a knight in flowery trousers; far out, ye knave)Belle (talk) 23:27, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
@Belle: I must admit that I hadn't noticed the far out trousers. Henry seems to have had a penchant for dressing up - his books are peppered with pictures of him in all sorts of strange attire.  Philg88 talk 05:30, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @Gerda Arendt: Projects added. I'm not sure where you want that extra reference. Do you mean where it says "He established the Clergyman's Magazine in 1875, which he edited until 1883"?  Philg88 talk 05:30, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Exactly. Reviewers look at the ends of paragraphs, - if a fact has no ref, put it in the middle ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:32, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Thanks for pointing out the omission. Best,  Philg88 talk 12:38, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
nominated - I like DYK mentioning prison, see my user page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the nomination. I think that this is the first article I've created that had a prison based DYK hook so don't hold your breath for the next one ;)  Philg88 talk 13:51, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @Gerda Arendt: Heads up for you: Mostafa Salameh is a new article by a new user and not everyone climbs Everest. DYK?  Philg88 talk 04:31, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Will nominate ;) - no more this week, pleasantly busy in RL - please do something about archiving this page, at least get rid of the bot notices, - BracketBot is not in love with you (but with me, and then left, sob) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Gerda. I'll trim Bracketbot's enthusiasm. I've no idea why he likes me so much but he keeps coming back :) Cheers,  Philg88 talk 08:50, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

My so-so results creating a location module[edit]

I tried creating a locator module.


It sort of worked, on the other hand, it failed miserably.

Duluth looks fine, but that's not where Boston is located.

I need to point out that my immediate goal is only tangential to Wikipedia, I am trying to clean up my sandbox image but I also have long term plans to create maps in List_of_NCAA_Men's_Division_I_Basketball_Tournament_venues; putting all arenas on a full USA map will be too cluttered, so I would like to create some regions, at least in the Northeast.

When I looked at the map I am using:

File:USA Northeast.svg

I think I see the problem. The editor did a crop of File:Usa edcp location map.svg but it looks to me like the crop is closer to Maine than it is to Minnesota. I don't know whether the editor did a rectangular crop but at an angle, or didn't and should have.

I also note that the underlying image has 807 errors. Should that be addressed by someone?

Rather than try to work with the Northeast map, I thought perhaps I should start over. What I really need is a map that include Maine in upper right, PA on west and DE on south.

The whole value borders are:

  • N 48
  • W -81
  • E -66
  • S 38
Temp Northeast Map.JPG

What's involved in creating such a map? (I can create the locator module)

Does one start with File:Usa edcp location map.svg in Inkscape and do a crop? Can one specify coordinates in Inkscape or is it done by eye? Is there a better way?

I'd like to see how much of this I can do myself, but if you can point me in the right direction, as you did for the module, I'll see if I can manage it myself.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:57, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sphilbrick, looks like you've been busy!
  • When you say 807 errors, I'm not sure what you mean. There are a number of W3C validation errors for both maps but nothing like that number.
  • Making an SVG map from scratch based on geo-referenced data is not a trivial task. You need to be very familiar with tools like Maperitive and Adobe Illustrator (or Inkscape, but I'm not overly familiar with that).
  • AFAIK there is no way to relate co-ordinates to an SVG in Inkscape, which is why you need Maperitive to do the conversion from the raw data obtained from OpenStreetMap.

I'd be happy to create a map based on your co-ordinates but it might take me a while as I have a ton of other stuff on at the moment. Let me know whatever you decide to do. Best,  Philg88 talk 16:19, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to look into Maperitive. Odds are, I'll be back begging, but let me check that out first.--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:24, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
I downloaded Maperitive, and managed to create an .svg map but I didn't see how to map it look like other locator maps. I'm guessing there is a set of rendering rules to convert the OSM to the standard location map formats, but I didn't see how to do that, and the documentation is quite weak. I think what I will do is put in a request at Map requests, and if someone else gets to it first, great, if not, whenever you can get to it. If it turns out that my guess is correct, and you have to create a set of rendering rules, I'd love to have the file, as I think I could generate maps of other areas of the country with those rules.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:51, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @Sphilbrick: That's where the Illustrator/Inkscape stuff comes in for colouring polygons. You could also use JOSM (which, I'm afraid involves another steep learning curve) to pick out the OSM relations for state boundaries etc. and then change their admin level so they are rendered at the requisite Maperitive zoom level - CAVEAT please don't upload the data to OSM if you do this. As I said previously, scratch SVG maps aren't a trivial task (hint: volunteers needed) and I'm not sure that writing a set of rendering rules for Maperative would be any better than what can be done now. I'll keep an eye on your request at the map lab and pick it up if no one else does. Best,  Philg88 talk 21:06, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


How are you?? I thought you are one of my best Wikifriend, but it seems that you totally forgot me. I'm not quite active as I was once (for some real life reasons). You haven't even have mailed me once before running for RfA?? I may never know that you are running for adminship if someone haven't told me. This is not what I expected from you. I was the first person to ask you for adminship and now you forgot me. Anyway, I'm 100% sure your RfA will go in the right direction and you will pass without any trouble. My support was with you and always will be with you, good luck, god bless. Jim Carter (from public cyber) 18:24, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Jim, this is unfair. Philg could NOT email you or notify you, that would be considered canvassing (soliciting votes) which is a definite no-no here. --MelanieN (talk) 18:28, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict):Hey Jim Carter - Public, of course I haven't forgotten you. I'm not going to canvass your vote via email, that would be a breach of the rules (as I see MelanieN has now pointed out). Take care and keep in touch. All the best,  Philg88 talk 18:34, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
    • (edit conflict) Melanie Neee... not like that I know about WP:CANVASS. I might have co-nominated you, Phil (I have seen some RfAs where non admins have seconded an RfA. ex- Bgwhite) if you have told me before running for RfA. Bad luck for me but Melanie, please please please don't forget to mail me before you run for the tools, I don't want to miss that one. Cheers, Jim Carter (from public cyber) 18:46, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
      • LOL! Thanks, Jim, but don't hold your breath! 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 18:56, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


Hello! Sorry to bother you. John Bauer (illustrator) has finally come to the top on the CE list. A relatively new user has begun a CE of it. I am a bit concerned though, since the user has so far rewritten large parts of it, entered new, unreferenced facts into the leade, included contradictory information in the text and seems unfamiliar with the WP style regarding biographies. I think it looks rather messy, but I may be wrong. Could you just take a quick look and see if it's ok to do like this. Best, w.carter-Talk 11:26, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I'll certainly take a look kompis but apropos our previous conversation I'm not going to edit the article to avoid a COI with the future GA review. I'll let you know what I think. Best,  Philg88 talk 17:06, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Now I'm totally confused. The editor appears to have reverted to your version without giving a reason and I see no talk page evidence of a discussion after (s)he left a note on JB's talk page saying the copyedit had been done. ????  Philg88 talk 17:20, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

The article have been sitting peacefully waiting in line for a long time now. I made some edits of mistakes that became evident when I got the scripts from you. Then, finally it came near the top of the list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests. My last edit was that on 20:56 14 August 2014. And today this editor started to make changes to the article. S(he) rewrote the entire leade and included some new un-sourced material there. Then stared to move around the pics, inserting new facts contradicting facts already in the article and enlarge a pic to abnormal size. I finally had enough and placed a note at the CE request page for the editor to cease, which s(he) did. None of my edits have been reverted by the user. I have now got a note from this editor on my talk page saying s(he) has reverted his/hers edits and is waiting for my reply. I really don't know what to do. The article was this close to being ready for a GA review, and now this happened. An edit war. The last thing it needed. I'm a bit low right now but I will try to leave an answer to the editor in a civilized manner. It might be for the best if we abandoned the plan of having you doing the GA review and do the CE instead. Then at least I know it will be done right. I can always place it in line as a GA nominee. Best, w.carter-Talk 19:05, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Looks like you have the situation under control by talking to the editor in question. I'll keep an eye on things so don't worry, JB will make it to GA.  Philg88 talk 19:43, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your support and encouragement. I'm taking deep breaths to keep my wa but I was beginning to despair. I'm working on a lengthy answer for the JB talk page now. Life... w.carter-Talk 20:00, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

An error[edit]

Regarding File:Mississippi Delta SVG Map.svg, Memphis is not the state capital of Tennessee... Nashville is. Rcsprinter123 (banter) @ 21:55, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh dear, thanks for pointing that out Rcsprinter123. I will fix the error. I can only blame it on Paul Simon or possibly one of the source maps I used.  Philg88 talk 22:03, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
@Rcsprinter123: Yes check.svg Done  Philg88 talk 00:50, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Oh, for shame! :) I bet you do not even know the capital of Antarctica! (And do not trust that penguin song. Penguins know nothing of geography. Their areas of expertise are regurgitation of small, silvery fish, and the staring contest.) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:29, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I was reaching for the noose on account of my twice exposed geographic ignorance when it suddenly struck me ... hang on, Antarctica doesn't have a capital. As for singing penguins, I'd advise you to go a bit easier on the baijiu. :)  Philg88 talk 00:16, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Tell me honestly, did you have to look up the Antarctica thing? (I did.) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:22, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Face-blush.svg ... Yes. I no longer trust my own knowledge without checking Wikipedia first.  Philg88 talk 00:32, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Just for fun[edit]

...or maybe I should write an article about it? :) Did You Know... that Sweden is sometimes called the Japan of Europe? We also take our shoes of indoors, bow when we greet each other and regard nature as having a soul of its own. (Apropos wa, JB, conflict resolution and the rest.) There is even an ethnological paper on the subject. (tsk tsk...) Hokkaido? No, Gotland. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 23:15, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Well. kompis, I think that this sort of comparison is part of human nature - I've heard Shanghai is the Paris of the east; Hainan is the Hawaii of China and probably a couple of others that I've forgotten. I'm not sure what you'd call the article, but if you can satisfy the notability guideline and it complies with the rest of Wikipedia's requirements then why not? :) Alternatively, there is always Culture of Sweden Best,  Philg88 talk 04:27, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Just kidding.:) And Culture of Sweden is yet another Swe article without refs... Why am I not surprised? It's downright embarrassing being a Swede around here. Best, w.carter-Talk 08:27, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Jervois Street[edit]

This removal is not a new one: I have routinely and since several years removed Wikiproject China banners from purely local Hong Kong articles, since I consider that it is logically a parent project of Wikiproject HK, and that, like categories, having Category:China and Category:Hong Kong in the same article would be redundant. Your comment is the first one that I have for such a removal. If I understand what you mean with "sensitivity", then I believe that "sensitive" people would appreciate the expression of such a parentage of projects. Nevertheless, if you believe that some people will feel more secure or that whatever view of the world they have will be better represented by having the two banners, than let's have the two banners. Underwaterbuffalo (talk) 03:59, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the message Underwaterbuffalo. My reasoning is a reflection of the "One country, two systems" philosophy apropos China and Hong Kong. I don't feel that strongly about either way, but given that we have PRC/Taiwan issues elsewhere with some heavy POV advocates on both sides, I think it's better if Wikipedia stays on the fence and doesn't imply that China has completely absorbed HK by having only a single banner—I know that sounds ridiculous but some people feel very strongly about this sort of nuance. As an aside, further investigation also shows that the addition of the WPCHINA banner is done by a bot (I'm guessing by detecting Chinese characters and the presence of a stub template). Cheers,  Philg88 talk 04:26, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
From my fairly long experience editing HK related articles, I can tell that such POV pushing for PRC/HK issues is pretty much absent from the English Wikipedia. I would be even quite surprised if someone came here and tried to advocate something along the lines that HK is not part of China. There was an editor very long time ago, who was willing to portray HK as a "country", but the consensus against this point of view has naturally been prevalent since. These "WP China" banners were added by a bot, and I also believe that it was more based on practical aspects than political. So I have rather considered their removal as a mere correction of some bot errance, and again, noone has ever even commented on this. Underwaterbuffalo (talk) 04:46, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Fair comment. As you you say, this is a bot issue not a human one. If removing the banner becomes a problem in the future we can deal with it as and when. BTW, sterling efforts on improving the HK road articles, well done. As you know, my view was in favour of redirects for non-major routes but there are certainly some worth keeping as stand alone articles based on your new sources. Best,  Philg88 talk 04:54, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. Regarding the redirects, I agree that they make sense in some cases, but then the List of streets and roads in Hong Kong article could be improved by including some of the information contained in the redirected articles, like for instance the origin of the name and the Chinese version of the name. Underwaterbuffalo (talk) 05:05, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, you're right. I'd like to see something along the lines of Private housing estates in Hong Kong with a column to add notes like "Named after X" etc. A page move might also be in order to dump the "List of" in the current title. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 05:16, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

A question[edit]

Hey Phil, I have a question since you're running for adminship thought of asking you, let there be two editors, X editor and Y editor. Both of them were editing and improving an article, X editor thought to change its citation style from {{cite}} to {{Sfn}}. And X editor started changing it being WP:Bold. Suddenly Y editor reverted the change with an edit summary WP:CITEVAR and WP:CONSENSUS. X editor started a thread for consensus at it's talk page. Y editor was having a disagreement with X editor. Although the article looks like a mess and have heavy citation clutter with {{Cite}} but still Y editor supported using {{Cite}} with reasons like, Newbies will not understand how {{Sfn}} works. Suddenly another newbie came in and supported editor X. Y editor almost confused and can't handle the situation, he left messages at two admins talk page (Both the admins were good friends of Y editor) and started calling them at the articles talk page for discussion although both the admins have no relation with the article (never have edited that page). Y editor explained one of the admin at the admins talk page that X editor is an inexperienced newbie (X editor helped 1 article to meet GA, 1 article to meet FL and have started 3 DYKs). One of the admin came and took the side of Y editor and accused X editor for WP:BATTLE. I have tried my best to explain the case, now the question arises who is correct, X editor or Y editor?? Didn't Y editor actually canvassed when he called those unrelated admins (admin interven was not required)?? Is it correct to call X editor inexperienced newbie when he have done some good works like DYK, FL, GA?? Did X editor used common sense?? Jim Carter (from public cyber) 06:35, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Jim. Seeing that someday you wish to become an administrator, this is an ideal matter for you to use your judgment skills on. You are well experienced now, so this is perfect. Take plenty of time. Think about it. When you are ready, you tell me what you would do as an administrator. I look forward to hearing what you have to say. And don't rush. Consider all of the options.  Philg88 talk 08:58, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Let me think... Now, first of all X editor did a mistake. According to WP:CITEVAR changing citation style needs WP:CONSENSUS which in this case X editor initially haven't got. Secondly {{Cite}} and {{Sfn}} format are equally accepted on Wikipedia. The revert by Y editor and it's edit summary was correct and to the point. X editor was correct but the reason provided by Y editor was also correct if the article gets heavy traffic from newbies. Instead of forcing for a total change, X editor must try using tool which helps editing when there is a WP:OVERKILL in the article. Thirdly, According to WP:CANVASS the messages to the admins talk page can't be called canvassing until the messages use unneutral tone. It is also possible that Y editor is not familiar with the works done by X editor so he said "inexperienced" assuming good faith. I will judge the language used by X editor in the discussion and if X editor continues to disagree with the consensus and try to change the citation style against consensus then it can be called WP:BATTLE per WP:IDHT. Now, answering the questions.
  1. According to me Y editor is correct. But if at least two editor support X editor then I would recommend opening a WP:RfC if they feel a more broader consensus is required.
  2. No he haven't canvassed if his messages were neutral and I also assume that the input by the admin were honest and impartial.
  3. Since X editor was involved in creating DYKs, GAs and FLs so calling them "newbie" is not really fair. But I just AGF that Y editor is not familiar with his work.
I would like to know what you think about my judgement. I tried my best to answer. Jim Carter (from public cyber) 08:40, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Jim That was an excellent script you linked for segregating references - it will be very useful.
As for your original question, your analysis is fine but there is nothing in the dispute AFAICS that requires either admin intervention or action - it can all be resolved on the talk page by the editors concerned. I suppose if X editor felt strongly enough about being called an "inexperienced newbie" (s)he could take it to WP:ANI but I doubt they'd get very far and it might even boomerang. Best  Philg88 talk 10:08, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
See the question once more, Y editor called Admins when he felt he can't handle the situation maybe because he thought that X editor might WP:EDITWAR. Yes, X editor will get a boomerang if they report it at AIN. Since X editor has started changing the citation style without consensus, that means he lacks the understanding of the policy WP:CITEVAR hence still inexperienced but not newbie because he worked in starting DYKs etc. Btw what would have been your thoughts if I run for adminship?? Face-tongue.svg Jim Carter (from public cyber) 10:28, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, Jim maybe you should wait until you encounter an actual similar situation and see what happens. As for you running for adminship, sorry but way too soon.  Philg88 talk 10:47, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I was just kidding. Face-tongue.svg I fail my own criteria for adminship. Face-smile.svg Jim Carter (from public cyber) 10:53, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


There is currently a discussion, you might be interested in, Thanks. prokaryotes (talk) 18:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi prokaryotes and thanks for the message. Sorry, but the discussion had closed by the time I got to it. As requested at that page, I've commented on the new Beatport topic. Best,  Philg88 talk 07:12, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

GOCE July drive and August blitz[edit]

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Hi Philg88, I have closed your request for adminship as successful. Congratulations on the strong and unanimous support for your request; you also secured a place on WP:RFX100! As always, the administrators' reading list is worth a read and the new admin school is most certainly available if you feel that you might require some practice with the tools in a safe environment prior to applying them elsewhere. All being said and done, good luck with your adminship! Acalamari 09:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Congrats my friend, after Anne Delong you are the second candidate (whom I know and trust) to pass RfA with 100% support. The only common thing I found in both the RfA is the nominator, Strad. Face-smile.svg Jim Carter 09:58, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your support, Jim. Your last sentence says it all.  Philg88 talk 16:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, I couldn't have done it without your superb nomination and !vote.  Philg88 talk 16:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Welcome to the corps. I see you put in an access request, presumably for the admin IRC channel . It'll be nice having someone else as the newbie there instead of me Face-smile.svg. Congratulations. Go Phightins! 12:20, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Erm, Could you possibly use your new admin supar-powarz to correct the really badly translated Chinese on this T-shirt? Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 13:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • @Shirt58: 翻译 "我是管理员,我收到的唯一的项目是内衣上身"?, 当然可以帮给你。 你会说中文吗? 祝好,  Philg88 talk 16:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Congrats on your RfA! ///EuroCarGT 15:42, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Welcome aboard Philg88, look forward to working with you! I've also boldly cleaned up this thread. Hope that is okay... :) — MusikAnimal talk 16:08, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • @MusikAnimal: Thanks for the !vote and the cleanup. Look forward to working with you too.  Philg88 talk 16:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • @BracketBot: And where were you? After our hundreds of albeit one-sided conversations, the least I would have expected was a message saying I'd broken the syntax of something at the RfA :(  Philg88 talk 16:37, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • @Joe Decker: Thank you, shame I don't see your name on the IRC admin list so I can badger you for AfD closing advice :)  Philg88 talk 17:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
@SmileBlueJay97: Thanks for your support!  Philg88 talk 17:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • @FreeRangeFrog: Thanks for the support your greenness, I actually enjoyed the whole process ... apart from the 11th hour question, which threw me a bit. Dashboard was bookmarked on sight, thanks.  Philg88 talk 17:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks, UltraMario64, I appreciate it. Still nothing from BracketBot though :( Cheers,  Philg88 talk 09:20, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not here going to give you a cookie though, cause I don't have that much money Face-tongue.svg, but I've a heart and brain to use which don't cost money. So using my heart and brain I say "Congrats for becoming an admin without any oppose. Face-smile.svg" --Pratyya (Hello!) 13:26, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate your support Pratya, thanks. No cookie, no problem—it's the thought that counts. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 16:01, 22 August 2014 (UTC).
BracketBot is an idiot. But on behalf of Jimmy the Bot I congratulate you again :) Jim Carter 17:34, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

New admin[edit]

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Congrats, the Wikipedia already feels better and safer with you as an admin. :) w.carter-Talk 10:06, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your support kompis No doubt you will enlighten me as to the Swedish word for mop in due course :). Best,  Philg88 talk 16:33, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Face-grin.svg Might as well get it over with then: Swedish for mop is "mopp". (Think we nicked it from you guys) And your name shines sooo bright with the new script I managed to find all by my self. Look what you've done to me, I'm a script-seeker now! :) The Force is with You, w.carter-Talk 17:32, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
"Mopp" ???? How incredibly dull, kompis. The least I was hoping for was something like vaktmästeri bihang (thanks Google).  Philg88 talk 17:40, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Ah... there is no pleasing some... This might be more appropriate for You then: A hand made, wooden cleaning utility, made in a province near Canton (now known as Guangzhou) and delivered to Europe by one of the SOIC ships, would be called a "sopkvast". Better? w.carter-Talk 17:48, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
@W.carter: Much. Thanks. End of thread please, I need to go learn about using my new sopkvas. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 18:00, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


why did you revert my edit? the version you edited lasted olny 1 hour and 10 minutes, while the one i restored was in a similiar form since this article was created, so why do you oppose it, we dont use the governments own propoganda as form of government, and you version is not even a "form of government" is it by its own article People's democratic dictatorship is a phrase incorporated into the Constitution of the People's Republic of China. Dannis243 (talk) 22:12, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the message Dannis243 and you've answered you're own question. "People's democratic dictatorship is a phrase incorporated into the Constitution of the People's Republic of China.", so that's what it should say in the article. Maybe you should talk to Trust Is All You Need, who made the change and is well versed in issues like this.  Philg88 talk 22:24, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
have you actually read anything i wrote on your talkpage??!! its a phrase not a form of government! Dannis243 (talk) 22:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
@Dannis243: Hello again. It may well be a phrase, in fact one from Chairman Mao, but it also has its own article, which indicates that it's pretty fundamental to the constitution of the People's Republic of China. Whatever you may think, the best place to discuss this is at the Talk:China page. Best,  Philg88 talk 22:44, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
@Dannis243: (since I was redirected to this page)... " In explicit terms the Constitution stipulates that all power in the People's Republic of China belongs to the people. That the people are masters of their own country is the essence of China's democratic politics. By stating that the People's Republic of China is a socialist state of the people's democratic dictatorship led by the working class and based on the alliance of workers and peasants.. Its an ideological concept/form of government which evolved from the Soviet idelogical concept/form of government of people's democracy. --TIAYN (talk) 23:57, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
While you're both more than welcome here, as I suggested above, I'd be grateful if you'd take this conversation to Talk:China. Thanks,  Philg88 talk 04:17, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Re my talk page - for the record, by "status quo" I'm referring to the fact that that particular version has been in the article (a Good Article) for some time, indicating some level of consensus. It should thus be the version to remain in the article until a talk page discussion/consensus dictates otherwise. Also, WP content is based neither on "facts", nor "opinions", but on reliable secondary research, as the talk page comments are once again reiterating. bridies (talk) 11:42, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi bridies and thanks for the message. I'm all in favour of a talk page discussion, which is why I've suggested it several times. My apologies for the use of the word "facts" in place of a rambling monologue about reliable sources. "Facts vs opinions" is more succinct in my view. See you at Talk:China. Best,  Philg88 talk 15:53, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

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Hello, Philg88 - I just happened to notice your perfect score of support for administratorship. Congratulations for that, I'm sure you'll do a fine job. Cheers - John
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  • Thanks, John. Feel free to drop by any time. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 16:12, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Very happy to see it. Congrats.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:24, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

  • @Sphilbrick: Always nice to see a message from a fellow map enthusiast, especially one like this. Sorry to see that no one has picked up your map request for US regions at the map lab. I'm a bit tied up at the moment getting to grips with the tools, but I haven't forgotten our conversation - maybe next week? Best,  Philg88 talk 16:12, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

To repeat what I said on another talk page, I missed the excitement on your coming into what you called your "janitorial" duties, so belated but lively congrats and hopes that like Janus, the namesake of janitors, you will happily look after beginnings and doors and portals for a long, long time! ch (talk) 20:43, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Thanks, 朋友, I appreciate it.  Philg88 talk 20:50, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations. I couldn't comment in support on your RfA, but good work with your 100% supports. We really need more people like you editing pages about Hong Kong and China. Wield the mop with caution. Good luck! Epicgenius (talk) 01:11, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations on the unanimity of your RfA! —Mz7 (talk) 01:09, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Many thanks Mz7. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 04:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)!

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That, my dear DPL Bot, is because Flying car is a disambiguation page.  Philg88 talk 09:36, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
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Many thanks for that, Niceguyedc. So is "Flying car" OK as it stands or do I need to do something else? Cheers,  Philg88 talk 10:43, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
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Hello my friend, how is life as an exalted being treating you? Have you come to terms with your new tasks and tools, and most important: Is it fun? :) I'm moving along quite nicely with my usual articles. Still having a hard time sorting out who did what in the Grill family. Sources are not always too clear on the subject, so everything has to be tripple checked. It's pioneering work since no one has ever bothered to do this before, which feels a bit special. Anyway, fact of the day: The largest archive with all the 7,000 documents from Jean Abraham, was originally not digitized on behalf of the Swedes. Nope! It was done in 2003–2005 at a request from the Macao Historical Archives. The Swedish website is just a nice byproduct from this work. So, maybe some of the documents are more available to you at the Macao site. I've been looking around at their very large website but not found them. Maybe you have better luck. They might be hidden away behind some Chinese characters. :) Just thought I'd mention the whole thing. All the best, w.carter-Talk 20:53, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey kompis "Exhausted" would be a better word than "exalted". So much more to do—never mind the copyedit on Lucknow, which has taken the best part of two days. Aside from that, all is good. In terms of content, my focus right now is on Dzungaria and related matters; a fascinating part of East Asian history of which little is known in the west. Apart from improvements to the existing content, there are perhaps a further 20 articles that need creating. As you can imagine, that will take some time (particularly given the sopkvast thing) so it will be a while before I get back to the trading stuff. BTW, if you're so inclined, drop me an email. It's about time we opened that channel of communication. Best as always,  Philg88 talk 21:20, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Just take care you don't wear yourself out! It's easy to do when things are new and interesting. So, we're each stuck with huge projects. An loving it, at least I am. I might be done by the time you have your 20 articles. And I'll certainly try the email thing, never done it here on the Wiki though, but I'll figure it out. Oh, and JB is just getting some very competent ce. I thought I could just drop it in the GAN line to take that load of your back. The Plan did not include the sopkvast at the time of hatching. :) One has to be flexible. Now go get some sleep. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 21:46, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
If you could drop it in the GAN queue that would be good. If no one picks it up within a reasonable period, let me know and I'll do it. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 19:05, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

IRC cloak request[edit]

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Yes check.svg Done  Philg88 talk 08:20, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Please type your message title here[edit]

Hi Phil unfortunately your guideline that you sent me didn't answer my question. I really appreciate your help :) <3 --Flora786 (talkcontribs) 18:30, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello Flora and thanks for the message. I'm sorry that the guideline didn't help you. The message you recieved about a "peacock" term means is that you used a word in an article that is designed to promote something without really adding anything useful to the encyclopedia. Words like great, leading, celebrated, award-winning, famous, renowned, remarkable, prestigious and world-class are considered "peacock terms" and they shouldn't be used in Wikipedia articles. I hope that answers your question, but if not please feel free to come back. And if you have any more questions, come back and ask those too! Cheers,  Philg88 talk 19:03, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
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Sorry, I didn't know the discussion was going on here as well. My mistake, w.carter-Talk 19:38, 26 August 2014 (UTC) (aka Calamity Jane)
Don't be silly W.carter. Replying at the Teahouse wasn't a mistake and you don't need to apologise. The fact that Flora has both of us trying to help her is a good thing. :) Cheers,  Philg88 talk 19:45, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi and thanks so much Phil! I now understand and i will try not to repeat that mistake. It did answer my question.

It's fine W.carter. Replying here is absolutely helpful. I appreciate your help! Please feel free to join in our discussion. :) Flora786 (talk) 13:59, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Old town[edit]

Your question at WP:RMTR prompted some reflection. The entries in the Old town list weren't very satisfying, because it's not obvious from going to the linked articles how the reader would find the old-town content. In fact the German article at de:Liste von Städten mit historischem Stadtkern is more convincing. There is an even better one (limited to Germany itself) at de:Liste von Städten mit historischem Stadtkern in Deutschland. This is an issue of article content I guess so that's a job for Some Other Editor to improve the English article. On the other hand, there are a few things like Old Town Historic District for the USA. EdJohnston (talk) 19:34, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the input Ed. I went ahead and moved the article as requested given that the sentence case version is a collective rather than a proper noun. I also gave it some more thought and left a message on the original requester's talk page suggesting that a move to List of old towns by country might be appropriate. That fits in with the German idea of de:Liste von Städten mit historischem Stadtkern in Deutschland but on a global scale—although German grammar is different and they would capitalise Städ/Städten regardless of its noun status (I think). Cheers,  Philg88 talk 20:04, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
It looks like you were right to perform the move. The Germans are safe from our capitalization disputes owing to their language! Sorry I was on vacation during your RfA; I missed my chance to support. EdJohnston (talk) 20:46, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, although German grammar is much stricter and would make our lives here easier sometimes, I like the flexibility English gives us. I hope you enjoyed your vacation. Best,  Philg88 talk 21:00, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

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Dino Wells[edit]

I have removed the tag you added to the article because I disagree that it should be there if there are multiple reliable sources there already. While you may feel the subject is not notable, I would at least think you would not tag if there are several reliable sources already. But I will not edit war if you choose to put it back.--Mark Miller (talk) 08:29, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Mark and thanks for the message. I didn't add the tag lightly - here is a run through of the references 1) is a blog called GirlGeek while 2,3,4 and 5 are passing mentions in filmographies or trivia books, i.e. insufficient to establish notability. I'm not going to edit war either, but I suggest you move it into the Draft space before somebody puts an AfD tag on it. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 08:40, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Nah, I won't draft it. I was attempting to fix the issues that were there earlier when the subject had been attempting to edit and noticed due to their post on the Teahouse. It does look like the Geek Girl World source is a magazine blog, akin to a Forbes magazine blog. I should add attribution in the text for it, unless you think the reputation of the magazine would not allow its use for lack of fact checking, editorial oversite etc.. I think you convinced me to re-add the tag. :-)--Mark Miller (talk) 08:59, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
@Mark Miller: Me? try and convince you? Never! -:) . Cheers,  Philg88 talk 09:05, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Short DYK[edit]

I saw that Puankhequa was removed from the main page. Probably because of all the vandalism it attracted. Me = "Calamity"? I rest my case. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 13:17, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

That was just the normal rotation; it was up for 12 hours. Me = "Know-it-all-buttinski". I rest my case. Belle (talk) 13:22, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Both of you = Well done for the DYK!  Philg88 talk 13:28, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
... followed immediately by "move in harmony" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Radical Islam in Australia[edit]

Hi there,

I'd like to discuss the deletion of Radical Islam in Australia and request immediate un-deletion:

  • 1. The article in question received a number of "delete" votes prior to article expansion including a large number of edits affecting the articles coverage, tone and structure. Had the vote taken place after this significant changes were made, the result would have been in favour of "keep."
  • 2. Voters who requested deletion did not respond to arguments in favour of "keep."
    • 2.1. Arguments were made for keeping the page (e.g. why the article topic was valid, etc.). This arguments were not discussed prior to deletion.
    • 2.2. Arguments made for "delete" received comments and responses which pointed to logical flaws in citing particular WP policies as cause for deletion (e.g. WP:Fork). It was argued that these policies do not apply to the article under discussion. No response or further discussion was made.
  • 3. The final cause for deletion was not specified. This is especially concerning as WP policies cited as reasons for deletion may have been irrelevant to the discussion or not sufficiently demonstrated how they applied in this case.

Thank you, (talk) 15:01, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for the message. The reason for the deletion was that there was a strong consensus in favour of that outcome for the reasons stated in the deletion arguments, i.e. that the article was a WP:POVFORK of Islam in Australia. That is why I commented in the close that a section could be created in that article if there was consensus to do so.
If you believe that I misinterpreted the concensus to delete then you are of course free to take the matter to deletion review, but you should note that no article is exempt from Wikipedia policies. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 15:38, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Where can I view the article as it was prior to deletion? Can you retrieve it? (talk) 16:14, 28 August 2014 (UTC) Unfortunately not. Requests for undeletion is limited to AfD debates with little or no participation other than the nominator, which was not the case here. As I said above, the next stage is taking it to deletion review.  Philg88 talk 16:33, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Can you please do a temp undelete so I can archive the last version of the article? (talk) 17:18, 28 August 2014 (UTC) AFAIK, the only situation where {{TempUndelete}} can be used is as part of the DRV process that I've linked to twice above. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 18:21, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Well done on your first DRV. If you're not dragged there every now and then you're not doing it right :) --Mkativerata (talk) 08:17, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Mkativerata, your support is appreciated. By definition many decisions at AfD won't please everyone but the guiding principle, as well you know, is consensus. Individuals may not like a particular consensus but it demonstrates the policy based will of the community and is therefore in the best interests of the encyclopedia. In this case, I considered the reason for deletion fairly obvious but in future, for the avoidance of doubt, you will always find me providing a closing summary of the consensus based decision. Best,  Philg88 talk 08:26, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Lansdell[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:42, 27 August 2014 (UTC) 00:02, 29 August 2014 (UTC)


Hi sorry to bother yiu but you are tge first person ivsaw on this website. How to I use Wikipedia bc its veey confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fantasy Lover 16 (talkcontribs) 16:38, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi there Fantasy Lover 16 and thanks for your message! First of all, Welcome to Wikipedia. It can look a bit confusing at first but I'm sure that you'll soon get the hang of it. I've left a table of useful links to things that might help on your talk page (which you can get to by clicking here). Again, welcome and if you have any questions please feel free to come back and ask them; you may also find the Teahouse a useful place to learn more.  Philg88 talk 17:25, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes! Having trouble moving page[edit]

I am having trouble, so thank you for offering assistance! All I need to do is change the title from Saint Mark's School to Mark Day School. New articles of incorporation were filed in July 2014, so the move is uncontroversial.

I have tried numerous times to enter the necessary code snippet with the information filled in into the Technical Move request field but I keep getting errors.

I have only 9 edits so I am not yet an autoconfirmed user. Thank you for any advice or assistance you can offer. Skylions (talk) 18:37, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

@Skylions: Hi there! I've moved the page as requested - you may like to add a reference to the article confirming the change of name in case anyone gets confused. I think you already know this but once you are autoconfirmed, which will happen in 6 days or if you reach 500 edits before then :), you will be able to move pages yourself, except where there is a redirect in the way or for some other reason - in such cases you will need help from an admin. Good luck with what I hope will be a long career editing Wikipedia! Cheers,  Philg88 talk 18:59, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS QUICK FIX. I really, really appreciate your assistance. Skylions (talk) 20:43, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

@Skylions: You're welcome, please leave a message here if you need anything else.  Philg88 talk 20:56, 29 August 2014 (UTC)


Hi Phil, congratulations on your successful RfA! Sorry I've been away and missed !voting on your nomination. I have no doubt that you'll make an excellent admin, just don't let your administrative duties take too much time away from writing articles and making maps :) -Zanhe (talk) 06:10, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you my friend, good to hear from you. So far I'm keeping the content flowing without interference from the mop. Amursana is the latest of the Dzungaria articles and there will be more maps in that context. I just hope Xi Jinping doesn't follow Qianlong's example in resolving the present Xinjiang problem. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 06:23, 30 August 2014 (UTC)