User talk:Srich32977

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Updating logo in The Heritage Foundation's infobox[edit]

Hi S. Rich. I'm wondering if you can help with a quick update to The Heritage Foundation article. I posted about this on the Talk page but haven't received a response so I'm asking you. The Heritage Foundation recently released a new logo, which I've uploaded here. Would you be able to replace the old logo in the infobox with this logo? Thanks! Thurmant (talk) 15:33, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

@Thurmant: Sorry, I really don't know much about images. The concern I'd have is about the copyright for it. But what you can do is WP:BB and post it yourself. If there is a problem you'll see your product with the preview button. If there is a copyright problem, someone with more knowledge will come by and tag the image. (Thanks for thinking of me.) – S. Rich (talk) 16:54, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
I've come from the kindness campaign page and I'm feeling in the mood to hand out a Barnstar! :D DangerousJXD (talk) 22:22, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 :) DangerousJXD (talk) 22:22, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Disruption Thread[edit]

You tried to close the "disruption" thread at WP:ANI with a NOTHERE template, which only goes to the top of the article. Then editors who wanted to complain about the thread because they had been complained about continued posting. (That is, they wanted the boomerang to come back at Carol Moore.) So then I tried to close the disruption thread with archivetop and archivebottom, which box off the thread. So then another editor who wanted to continue to complain about the thread reverted my box. What next, if anything, except to let them complain? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:36, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

With all the discussion that is posted on ANI and other boards, what harm could it do to leave the thread open while editors are actively coming to the board and responding? I'm not commenting on the complaint or your speculation about boomerang. I think that Srich's action only served to further anger OP and might have the damaging and unfortunate effect of encouraging off-topic meta-comments on the talk page. SPECIFICO talk 18:41, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
@Robert McClenon: Per the ANI instruction box "How to use this page" the NOTHERE template is appropriate. Only problem is, it does not box the discussion and editors have a tendency to look at the bottom of threads, not at the top. You were correct to box it, but I don't think you have an experience level to make the boxing stick. (I considered boxing myself, but decided my non-admin status left me at a disadvantage.) Two kinds of pork should have left it alone, and if I had seen the unboxing I would have reboxed it with a comment to find another, non-involved experienced editor to do the unboxing. Alas, I see admins posting on the thread (even with my NOTHERE message), when they should be closing the thread. @SPECIFICO: the harm is the diversion caused to the Gender Gap project and WP in general. The WP:CSBOT list will be 10 years old next month. That is where work should be done. So compare – the GGTF talk page has generated a 400k of discussion in the last few months. Most of the talk is archived, which indicates no overall progress (I have not looked at the long archive 2 in any detail.) I strongly suspect that the talk page is overflowing with petty bickering, which has now spilled out onto the ANI. And it looks like the ANI is becoming a back-door attempt to skewer CMDC. She was wrong to start it (as per my NOTHERE comments). It is equally wrong for others to turn it against her. An RFC/U is the best course of action. – S. Rich (talk) 20:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

@SPECIFICO: I wish you had not commented on CMDC's talk page. 1. She has told you to stay away. 2. I recall that some Admins have admonished you about such comments. So, I recommend that you revert your edit. – S. Rich (talk) 21:08, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Aren't you also among the "banned?" -- Yes, in the heat of my constructive inspiration, I forgot about that. It's been quite some time since I thought that she might be listening to others' take on things and I foolishly offered a couple of helpful points. As things turned out on the ANI, I think it was best that your close was undone, because now none of the editors, largely canvassed to the thread I'm afraid, will feel they were prematurely silenced. Your closure, though done in good faith, risks being experienced as manhandling and manipulation by those who are preparing to share their views. All's well that ends well. I do think Carol had a good suggestion that you could make valuable contributions arising from your experience in the military where I get the sense that gender-related issues and sexual politics continue to raise concern both within and outside the armed forces. SPECIFICO talk 18:32, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Srich: reminder you have been unbanned for several months. Relatively copacetic. Face-smile.svg Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 00:35, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
As to my ban @Carolmooredc:, I didn't bother commenting on the ANI thread but after it was quashed I did take a look-see. I notice that you cited this link for your claim that I'd been banned from your talk page. Not surprisingly, it shows no such thing, as the Admin points out to you. So if you'd like to ban me from your talk page from now on, perhaps a note on your talk page would seal the deal for you and prevent future confusion or embarrassment. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 00:40, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
The October 31 2013 Bbb23 complaint about harassment clarified you had been banned earlier, even if the banning message unfortunately was a bit ambiguous. Yet you kept posting and I complaining: Oct 31, Oct 31, Nov 11, Nov 22, Nov 24, Dec 19, Dec 29, Jan 10, June 30, 9/4, 9/4. Tell me which Admin needed to hear that and I'll post to them. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 10:58, 6 September 2014 (UTC)


Please exercise restraint. Your advice and mentoring of Carolmooredc will appear condescending and controlling to many WP editors who may follow her talk page. I'm sure she can make her own decisions, and the ANI thread concerns Tarc, if I read it correctly. SPECIFICO talk 17:58, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Oops, too late. Now I see you've again been tagged with the pseudo-admin issue, which is very detrimental to your reputation here. Please take a step back. SPECIFICO talk 18:02, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Please. You asked me to help you get in shape so I could nominate you for Admin. Yet now you've disregarded my counsel, you've got Carolmooredc posting to an ANI which was not previously "about" her but which may soon turn that way. Then you're continuing to jump in on ANI and further inflame the discussion. Please stand back. Let your friends help you here. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 18:18, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
You give advice, I give advice. You ignore advice, I ignore advice. You take advice, I take advice, CMDC ignores advice, CMDC takes advice. Nobody is controlling anybody. (People who complain they are being controlled need to ....)
The "pseudo-admin" tag is meaningless. As an experienced editor yourself, you might try some of those "pseudo-admin" procedures. For example, there is a discussion at Talk:Creation Museum#accreditation that is long open and a request for closure has been outstanding. (I'd close it, but I had commented in the thread.)
Turns out my "pseudo-admin closing" of CMDCs ANI thread was validated by Scotty Wong who closed it with the remark that people should behave "like mature adults."
Thanks and you're welcome. – S. Rich (talk) 18:50, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh, don't misunderstand. I wasn't bringing up the pseudo-Admin tag again. But given that it's out there, right or wrong, you must take account of the appearances and sensitivities of others. BTW, Scotty waited until the discussion was exhausted before his close and rightly or wrongly the Admin does have a certain authority on ANI when there are contentious matters. SPECIFICO talk 19:29, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, Scotty waited, but the closing of the drama was inevitable. Others were free to ignore my posting, so it had no effect in controlling anything. (And I was aware that it would not control anything.) But who knows, perhaps Scotty was inspired by my contribution. – S. Rich (talk) 19:38, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
I doubt it. SPECIFICO talk 19:42, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for your comments on Arthur Rothery Nutt. It's rather frustrating to spend an hour of spare time on an article (with obvious scope for expansion) only to see it deleted in a matter of seconds. I am having similar problems with Richard John Durley who was a Professor of Mechanical Engineering at McGill University and head of gauges and standards in the Canadian Ministry of Munitions during World War I (and awarded the MBE). He seems to me a worthy addition to wikipedia.

For those who don't have ready access to Who's Who or the perseverance to research beyond wikipedia, I feel that many of these characters will be lost to the world if wikipedia also deletes them!

Yours, (MJT21 (talk) 07:44, 7 September 2014 (UTC))

I do not think the Nutt article will be deleted. I'll look at Durley. – S. Rich (talk) 07:57, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Abdul Latif Khan Tarin[edit]

Dear Sir, apropos your note on my Talk page regarding Abdul Latif Khan Tarin, thank you very much. Ive now left a very detailed reply in the deletion discussion and I hope you will view my perspective kindly, and allow this very new article (only started on 1st Sept 2014)to live on. As stated there, in my starting summary, I DO plan to expand it in time and add more material and references etc too, and the significance of the late Jemadar's role at the battle of Dujaila, where he gave his life, will also emerge. Best wishes, AsadUK200 (talk) 21:03, 7 September 2014 (UTC)AsadUK200

These nominations for deletion often serve two separate purposes. 1. They clean out some of the junk we see on Wikipedia. 2. They also inspire editors to rescue articles which are not junk. I am not saying that Tarin is a junk article, but I wish there was more to his notability. In many cases the standard for notability for military people is higher than for other people. In the WikiProject Military history guidance, they say notability is achieved when someone receives the nation's highest award or when they receive the second highest award more than once. So, since Tarin received the second highest award (at the time) he is close to achieving notability (for the Wikipedia article). Given that you plan to expand the article, I'd say it has WP:POTENTIAL. With this in mind, I will probably withdraw the nomination as a keep. Let's see if the AFD attracts more attention from other editors who might contribute. – S. Rich (talk) 21:15, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello, regarding the nomination of this article for deletion, I have viewed and read many comments on the discussion so far. But am more confused than ever now. What do you propose please? I would value your comments and feedback as you started this discussion. Although I feel that the article should be kept but the fact is, there are very few direct references to the Jemadar's achievements in general and his special role and sacrifice at Dujaila. In the course of my longer book-research on the 1st Punjabis (part of the present Pakistan Army Punjab Regiment) I have so far uncovered only 2 general/previous references/mentions in despatches between 1912 and 1914; and only one (1) reasonably detailed reference in a previously published military history book (1984). I dont know if this would be suitable or enough to establish 'Notability' as posited by many discussants. If you seriously think the article doesnt stand up (although I shall develop and expand it over time, gradually) then I think it might be better to Redirect this page (rather than outrightly deleting), to the Indian Distinguished Service Medal page, as has been suggested on the discussion too. I am not very familiar with the technical aspects but if this is agreeable then I would please request you to make this change thanks. AsadUK200 (talk) 09:36, 9 September 2014 (UTC)AsadUK200

Matthew Axelson[edit]

S. Rich, I know he was a person, and isn't a memorial. But he is portrayed in the memorial. I rather doubt we will have a free standing article on the memorial itself (although there could be). 7&6=thirteen () 16:23, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Are you referring to The Guardians at the Veteran's Memorial Park in Cupertino? Even so, he does not become the memorial. Compare, the exterior walls of War Memorial of Korea are engraved with every name of every American KIA & MIA from the Korean War. The fact that their names are on the building would not justify a "Memorial Category" on the articles for the notable casualties. (Ugh, I'm not expressing myself very clearly.) – S. Rich (talk) 16:52, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


I hear you have been active at Request edits. Thanks, looks like you handled quite a few.--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:25, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

You hear right. (And thank you.) Also, I've modified the instructions to encourage requestors to sign & date-stamp. Show that the requests are getting old may prompt others to work on the backlog. What I don't like is the fact that editors gripe about COI editors, but don't honor the system for helping COI editors who can actually improve the project. – S. Rich (talk) 21:58, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Exactly. We tell people not to COI edit, then when they try to do the right thing, we aren't as responsive as I would like.--S Philbrick(Talk) 00:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Arthur Charles Rothery Nutt[edit]

Thanks MJT21 (talk) 18:42, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

A favor[edit]

You seem like you have a decent read on the SPECIFICO situation, though I'm not sure if I agree with everything you've said, but your comments are reasonable. You also seem to have a rapport with Neotarf. I just posted a warning on her talk page about making adhominem attacks. Would try to reason with her that these sort of things are not necessary? This has been going on for a while now. I just want it to stop.Two kinds of porkMakin'Bacon 04:12, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate your consideration of me to assist. But I have had no interaction with Neotarf. And the complexities of the particular post, along with who's being addressed is a bit to much for me. Perhaps I can look tomorrow, but I won't promise much. – S. Rich (talk) 04:51, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
To let you know, I took a look at Neotarf's talk page. The message you posted was removed with multiple rationale. Whether the rationale are valid or not, I think I'll pass. Sorry, I cannot help with your request. – S. Rich (talk) 04:57, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Glendora, Dottie Walters – Bestselling Author and Motivational Speaker[edit]

I noticed you reversed another editor's update for the reason that the proposed link to the person's name was missing. That is fairly common, there are numerous Wikipedia articles which meta link to non-existant pages, it is not usually considered to be a fatal flaw, it is often used as a holding place.

The editor that added the text could have been asked to provide a page to complete the link. In fact I will do so and see if the editor will add a page and then restore his or her proposed update to the Glendora page. Thanks! Damotclese (talk) 16:46, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

@Damotclese: There was a link for the name – a redlink. The essay WP:WTAF is generally followed for these list sections. Also, I did a little Googling on the name. The hits did not show a connection to Glendora. – S. Rich (talk) 17:12, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Amusing. :) I suppose that the person who added the text was employing wishful thinking, maybe expecting to be famous some day and was planning ahead. :) Thanks! Damotclese (talk) 19:43, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


Hey I remembered you were working on the Request Edit queue and was wondering if you had a minute to take a look here, where I have pointed out some poorly-sourced contentious material on a page where I have a COI? I have not actually used the Request Edit template, but it's along similar lines. CorporateM (Talk) 04:43, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

@CorporateM: Thanks for thinking of me – I'm flattered. At the moment, though, I'm engaged in some real life issues. So I've stepped back from the drama boards and anything which requires thought. A glass of my favorite beverage is at my side whilst I gnome away at mundane items. Perhaps you can ping me next week as a reminder. Best regards. – S. Rich (talk) 04:57, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Sure, but next time try 1 part Kahlua, 1 part cream and a dash of crème de cacao and prepare to have the best drink ever (and a real heart-stopper). Don't tell user:Drmies. He might reference all the studies that show alcohol reduces academic performance. CorporateM (Talk) 05:14, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

RE: John Hanna Disambiguation Page COI request[edit]

Rich, Please forgive my confusion about Wikipedia's COI and editing. I'm trying to get a simple change to the link on my name. I was listed as an activist and I would like to include 'inventor'. Could you please do that? There is a reference to my invention already included on the 'Oscillating Water Column' description page. If you would kindly link the 'inventor' to that page, I'd be grateful. My activist link to 'Environmental Life Force' is fine but it refers to my activities 37 years ago. I am now developing two very useful wave energy technologies. Please help modify my John Hanna disambiguation page to reflect and combine my current inventor status with my former activist reference. Hope you can do this for me. Thank you! John Hanna, activist & inventor, (talk) 18:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

No. I think I'll leave the John Hanna page alone. If and when you become notable as an inventor, someone can develop an article about you as an inventor. The article would require suitable sourcing. – S. Rich (talk) 19:39, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Rape during the Armenian Genocide[edit]

I would have thought high myself. Darkness Shines (talk)

@Darkness Shines: as an historical event I'd agree. But I'm looking at the Death Project as involving the topic of death itself. In this regard everyone dies and many major historical events involve deaths – so adding the project to biographical and broad historical events is not appropriate. For example, World War II is not a Death Project article, but World War II casualties is. I'm new to the Project, and perhaps they have an importance matrix. But I haven't found it. So I'm doing SWAGs on Project articles lacking assessments. – S. Rich (talk) 02:07, 2 October 2014 (UTC)