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Is it bad because it is significant or for some other reason?[edit]

About this edit, do you have some objection other than that it is significant? Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 12:03, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Significant changes to this high profile article should be made only after agreement is reached on the talk page. More generally, my personally view is having a summary section which isn't the lead isn't great - the role of the lead is to summarise the article. There's certainly a good case for reducing the length of the lead of the article though, and I'd be interested in discussing that with you and other editors on the talk page if you'd like to raise the topic. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 06:48, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
I will move the discussion regarding the length of the lead to the WWII talk page when I have more time. For now, I will only comment that, while perhaps significant changes "should" be made only after discussion, that reason alone does not warrant a revert. "No edit, regardless of how large it is, requires any prior discussion; however, large edits and any edits that are potentially controversial are often the targets of reverts, so—in the spirit of collaborative editing—prior discussion is often wise." - Wikipedia:BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle#What_BRD_is.2C_and_is_not Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 12:02, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
The World War II is one of the most frequently viewed articles on Wikipedia, and there's a very long standing consensus from editors who work on it that all significant changes should be discussed first as a result. That particular article wouldn't be manageable if it was the subject of BRD type editing given its unusual prominence (not to mention the controversial aspects of the topic). Regards, Nick-D (talk) 22:06, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, I'm having trouble following the logic. Either an edit is a good one or a not so good one. Substantial edits can be good, insubstantial edits can be bad. If it is a good one then why revert for the sole reason that it isn't vetted? If it is a not so good one then revert for that reason (and put that reason in the revert comment). Otherwise, it begins to look like "you have to ask me for permission before you do anything on this page." Or am I missing something? I'm thinking I should ask "the editors who work on it" to reconsider this consensus. But first, the lead (when I get the time). Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 00:36, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
It's simply to stop edit warring and sudden changes to a high profile article which lots of editors have contributed to. I'd suggest that you actually try engaging in conversation over changes to the article before throwing further accusations of misconduct around (I noticed the snarky comment you hid in the edit summary BTW). Nick-D (talk) 02:26, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Edit warring grows out of reverts. I'm not sure how you stop it by reverting and giving no reason other than the change is "significant." Look, snarkiness (and profanity) aside, you had a legitimate reason for reverting my change: you thought the summary should not be put in a separate section. Fine. Why didn't you just say that? Giving "with no discussion" as your rationale comes across - whether you mean it to or not - as "you are changing my article without my permission." And doesn't tell the original editor the real reason for your revert. So I'm simply saying that you should consider not using "with no discussion" as a reason for future reverts. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 03:05, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
The arrangement has been in place for several years, and I think that it's still working well. You are certainly very welcome to put forward different views, but as you ignored the large edit notice concerning the arrangement which appeared at the top of the editing pane your accusations of WP:OWN type conduct are entirely baseless. If you would like to discuss changes to the article please raise them on the article's talk page. Similarly, please feel free to discuss different arrangements for editing the article, but I'd respectfully suggest that they be informed by more than a single of your edits being reverted. Nick-D (talk) 03:14, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Let's try a reset. Here is my request: I ask that, when you revert in the future, you consider providing edit summaries that are substantive (example: "summary section which isn't the lead isn't great") instead of (or, at least, in addition to) procedural (example: "change which was made with no discussion at all"). See generally Wikipedia:Reverting#Explain_reverts and Wikipedia:Revert_only_when_necessary#Explain_reverts. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 11:57, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

But that was the primary reason I reverted here... I personally don't think that the change was an improvement (as it wasn't in line with WP:LEAD IMO), but that was a secondary issue: my concern was that you'd significantly restructured the lead section without any prior discussion. I would have reverted if I had liked the change as well, and I imagine that the other editors who are active in the article would have done the same. I should have dropped a note on your talk page though. Nick-D (talk) 21:48, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, I'm slow, but I finally have that through my head. Would you please point me to the WWII talk archives where the editors decided to implement the "no significant change without prior discussion" rule? Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 12:20, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
It was a few years ago... You can either believe me, or not - I'd kind-of hope that I don't have a reputation for bald faced lying! Nick-D (talk) 08:47, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
I believe you. I am looking for the reasoning that led to the decision. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 09:54, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
From memory, it dates from when the article was re-written as a group effort and there was agreement to not make significant unilateral changes to the consensus text. I'm happy to say that the article has continued to change since then though (generally for the better IMO). Nick-D (talk) 09:41, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


My "to do" list still includes bringing up this issue on the WWII page, but these are busy times for me in the real world. Meanwhile, I wonder about this edit. How did you decide that it was not significant enough to require pre-discussion? Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 12:28, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Please check the article's history: the template I removed was added in the edits mediately before mine (with no prior discussion, or even edit summaries). Moreover, I think that the template was entirely unnecessary and has been badly designed and implemented. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 07:01, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
So why didn't you just say "revert fairly significant change which was made with no discussion at all" in your edit summary? Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 13:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. If you'd like to start a discussion about the content of the article, please do so at Talk:World War II. Nick-D (talk) 23:37, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Before I try to make a point I'd like to try to understand whether I have one. You reverted my edit with the summary of "revert fairly significant change which was made with no discussion at all." It seems to me that you could have used the same summary in this case. But you didn't. So I must be missing something that makes the two reversions different. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 01:26, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Single-issue user[edit]

Nick, there's a single-issue user editing United States Armed Forces against consensus. Could you look at Clear violation of the NPOV and see if yiu can offer any solutions? I don't like being insulted on the basis of my nationality, and I'm not sure I can hold my tongue much longer. Thanks. -BilCat (talk) 22:15, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Bill, As that's an edit warring only account I've blocked it. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 22:23, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! I wasn't expecting a block, but I'm not complaining either. - BilCat (talk) 22:25, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

"Pacific War"[edit]

compared to some other users on WP, you have demonstrated a significant breadth of knowledge, significant NPOV characteristics, and significant non monomaniacal coverage. however, the term "Pacific War" was NOT, NEVER used by the soldiers, sailors, pilots, etc., of Japan, China, USA, British Empire, or Australia at the time. it is a POST-WAR historical term. thank you -Augustabreeze (talk) 07:32, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) So is World War I. And the vast majority of historical war names. Jenkins' Ear, the Wars of the Roses, Hundred Years' War, etc. Just saying. —  Cliftonian (talk)  08:11, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I agree with Cliftonian. Wikipedia also calls things what their most common name is, and not the contemporary name - please see WP:COMMONNAME. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 08:19, 19 October 2014 (UTC)


If you are on there is a complete chambles around Clive Palmer article - it needs some rather rapid cleanup... tricky as there are some absolutlely wrong directs and redirects and horrible confusion - some editors hsould know better.... satusuro 08:30, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

I've just moved the article back to Clive Palmer. Goodness knows what's been going on, but it seems that the restriction on non-admins deleting redirect pages was partly to blame. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 08:37, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
maybe - it was sitting there so long, and is a classic BLP issue that required haste - your response is much appreciated.... I do think some need to know a bit more about leaving things alone if they cannot fix it themselves and to get others to help! satusuro 08:40, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Given that I've used my admin powers to mess up stuff on the main page (though not to the extent of violating WP:IDIOT, thankfully), I won't throw the first stone here ;) Regards, Nick-D (talk) 08:44, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Anokther stone - shouldnt the weird be exterminated? the wikipedia at the front makes them stick out like the proverbial dogs - there was the obscene one (hopefully nuked) and the remainng two i fail to see why they should still exist as they are simply evidence of things being done wrong... and serve no purpose satusuro 08:47, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Good point - I've just deleted that one. I'd deleted the obscene one a few minutes ago. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 08:49, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
thanks satusuro 08:54, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

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Education in Iran 0003 Urmia.jpg[edit]

Hello.accordind to your comment [1].I do it[2].شاه بابل (talk) 02:13, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

One sentence not about the subject of the photo isn't sufficient in my view I'm afraid. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 08:29, 20 October 2014 (UTC)


Hi Nick, I wonder if you might do me a favour: I made an edit notice for the page "Great Zimbabwe" to try to get people to stop changing the spelling of "artefact" to "artifact", but I accidentally put it at the wrong location and I cannot put it in the right place as I am not an administrator. Could you please move Great Zimbabwe/Editnotice to Template:Editnotices/Page/Great Zimbabwe for me? Cheers, have a great day. —  Cliftonian (talk)  08:20, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Done, as I'm here on other business... BencherliteTalk 08:47, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Bencherlite. —  Cliftonian (talk)  09:30, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks also from me Nick-D (talk) 09:32, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Gough Whitlam at TFAR[edit]

Hi Nick, you (and your talk page stalkers) may be interested in a thread I've started about Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests#Gough_Whitlam, where possibilities for marking the death (aged 98) of this former prime minister of Australia include re-running a TFA. I'm interested in getting lots of views so I'll be leaving this note on various pages (and apologies, TPS-ers, if your talk page is not one of them!) Thanks, BencherliteTalk 08:47, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Today's Featured Article: Notification[edit]

This is to inform you that Bombing of Singapore (1944–45), which you nominated at WP:FAC, will appear on the Wikipedia Main Page as Today's Featured Article on 5 November 2014. The proposed main page blurb is here; you may amend if necessary. Please check for dead links and other possible faults before the appearance date. Brianboulton (talk) 22:40, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

...which happens to be the date of Whitlam's memorial service. I suppose it was inevitably going to clash with something at TFA. Any thoughts? BencherliteTalk 06:45, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
...@Bencherlite: Bombing of Singapore (1944–45) can easily run on a different day given that it covers a series of air raids. The next 70th anniversaries of raids are 11 January, 1 February and 6 February, or it could run on a spare non-specific date if you'd rather. Nick-D (talk) 07:01, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Citing Air Force copies[edit]

Hi mate, spotted a funny date in 38Sqn and after investigating I found some of the Air Force links were going to the latest issue, or in one case to the correct issue but the front page. FYI, the only sure way I know of getting the right link for the issue/page is to go into "Archive" (or "Browse issues" depending on how you arrive at the latest copy) and then, when you have it open at the correct page spread, use the email function to send yourself the page link and paste that into your citation. I think I got 'em all in 38Sqn but it might worth you checking them all out... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 14:08, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Ian. I think that the newer issues have permalinks for page numbers? Nick-D (talk) 07:17, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Possibly, I may not have noticed because I subscribe and often use the latest issue in articles, and I've found then that the only way to get the right link is to do the email trick. Of course if there's a simpler way I'd be happy to use it! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:40, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

No. 90 Wing G/FT[edit]

Hi mate, sounds like you'd be happy to co-nom here? If so, the only remaining decision is to whether to go now, for GT, or give 1SQN a chance to attain Featured status and go straight for FT (90WG is also on my list for FAC but it wouldn't make any difference if 1 and 38SQNs are both FA). FTR, the main reason I wanted to get Nate's take on it is that 90WG is little more than a blip in the histories of 1 and 38SQNs, but I guess that doesn't matter too much as far as the FT criteria goes. The reason I like 90WG as a topic is that it's small but has enough components to meet the criteria, and it's effectively a closed book since the RAAF seems unlikely ever to revive its number, whereas all the active wings are potentially moving feasts. FWIW, I'm also looking at GT at least for 91WG at some stage, as I think there's sufficient sourcing out there to get articles on all its units to minimum B-Class or GA. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:36, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ian, I'd be happy to co-nominate. I have to confess to being clueless about the FT and GT processes, but if it takes time to action a GT request it might be better holding off until the 1SQN article passes its FAC given that this shouldn't be that far off by my reading of the review (tough luck with the squadron going to war for the first time since 1958 shortly after you started the FAC!). Nick-D (talk) 02:36, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I'm not sure if you know but a topic automatically changes from GT to FT if the amount of featured content reaches 50% so no need for a second nomination. You must remember to update the good topic page (i.e. Change the GA icon to FA) - NickGibson3900 Talk 00:59, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Tks Nick, now you mention it I had heard about the automatic upgrade but wasn't sure of the process. In this case I think 1SQN is pretty close to promotion to FA (if I say so myself!) so we won't have long to wait anyway, but good to know for future reference. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:28, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Your block of User:Filipino American man[edit]

You recently blocked User:Filipino American man as a sock of User:Holy Child Student. I suggest that you look at User:Oggy 2 also. The account was created shortly after you blocked Filipino American man, edited User:Filipino American man here to add a self-made category that references Oggy 2 and seems to claim that Holy Child Student, Filipino American man, and the electric man (another blocked sock of Filipino American Man) are all socks of some other user. The page version displaying this category Is here but it is up for speedy already.

Oggy 2 has also made very similar edits to his talk page as the other users did, with various incorrect claims and templates displayed on his talk page (admin, roll back rights, registered trademark, having left Wikipedia, good article, protected article, etc.) Meters (talk) 03:11, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that looks like the same person and I've just blocked the account. Nick-D (talk) 09:03, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

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Request for Comment[edit]

There is a Request for Comment about "Chronological Summaries of the Olympics" and you're invited! Becky Sayles (talk) 07:26, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite, but I don't have an opinion on this topic. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 06:46, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

1940 Field Marshal Ceremony[edit]

The discussed "20 July plot" section has been replaced with an "Aftermath" section written by me and Kierzek. I believe it covers the future of each field marshal promoted as you recommend we added. Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 16:43, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

It provides a white wash: several of those men went on to commit very serious war crimes, yet you portray them as being simply soldiers. Nick-D (talk) 10:26, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Will add some details about war crimes. Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 15:12, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Well, I did suggest that some further brief detail be added as to what happened to the ones promoted after the "event". The above certainly is something to add into that section. Since Jonas is carrying the ball, I will look it over when I have time and after he is done. Kierzek (talk) 16:08, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


Hi Nick-D, I have tried to nominate Ros Pesman for DYK (moved into mainspace on 8 November) but I strongly suspect I have made an error. Could you please have a look and let me now if/what I have done wrong? Thanks, (talk) 05:29, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Under the current (and newish) system you need to create a specialised page for the DYK nomination. All you need to do to kick this off is to drop the name of the article into the box at Template talk:Did you know#Instructions for nominators and follow the instructions (especially linking to the nomination page) I hope that helps. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 09:36, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
I took it upon myself to fix this up directly. The issue was that the nomination information was added directly in to the DYK nominations page rather than transcluding the template in. See Diff. I also made some formatting fixes to the nomination template itself, but this was the main problem. Should be all fixed now! See "Template:Did you know nominations/Ros Pesman" which is now featured correctly on the November 8 DYK nominations list. Cheers; Wittylama 11:27, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for that Nick-D (talk) 09:40, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Battle of Baguio (1945)[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:03, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Operation Pamphlet[edit]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Operation Pamphlet you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jonas Vinther -- Jonas Vinther (talk) 01:02, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Operation Pamphlet[edit]

The article Operation Pamphlet you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Operation Pamphlet for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jonas Vinther -- Jonas Vinther (talk) 00:23, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Nick, couldn't help noticing your recent edit summary re. this article -- I had a similar thought re. my own No. 491 Squadron RAAF from around the same time. Be happy to take an informal squizz at Pamphlet later week if you'd like, and pls feel free to do the same with 491Sqn if you have a moment... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 04:04, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi Ian, that sounds great. I think that the Operation Pamphlet article might have the legs for A-class, so any thoughts in that direction would be appreciated. Nick-D (talk) 04:28, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


Hello Nick, I'd just like to inform you that there's an ACR for Dassault Rafale at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Dassault Rafale/archive2. Since you commented on its previous ACR, you are welcomed to contribute to the discussion there if you have the time and are interested. Regards, Sp33dyphil (talk) 12:45, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification Nick-D (talk) 07:00, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your contribution. I have addressed each of your concerns. Are there any other major issues that would need to be looked at? Cheers, Sp33dyphil (talk) 10:47, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

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Nick, thanks for sticking up for at ANI. It was indeed a comedy of errors. The IP had originally reverted me here, restoring Sgt Stone Cold's vandalism, so I had assumed theb IP was SSC. Then when I checked his contributions and saw that he had edited the Osama page, I assumed it was SSC again, and misread the diff, twice. By the time I realized my mistake, the IP had already reverted again. Then Seahorse left a rather demanding, almost arrogant, note on my page, so I chose to ignore it and go to bed. I'll try to be more careful from now on. Thanks again for defending me. - BilCat (talk) 12:19, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

No worries at all Bill Nick-D (talk) 06:48, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Nick, you might want to check out what Anna posted here. Curiouser and curiouser! - BilCat (talk) 07:33, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
That's really, really strange. It's probably going to turn out that I'm a sockpuppet of this guy next ;) Nick-D (talk) 09:26, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

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On behalf of the coordinators of the Military History Wikiproject I am very pleased to present you with the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves. This award is made in recognition of your outstanding contributions to a great many areas of the project. This includes your long and distinguished service as a coordinator and special-project member, improvement of numerous articles to the featured, A-class and good article standards, dedication to producing one of the best Wikipedia newsletters over at the Bugle and all round hard work. I have to say we haven't bumped into each other much over the years but in my experience you have been a great bloke to deal with and always able to help with some friendly advice. Many thanks - Dumelow (talk) 16:58, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much! This is a huge honour. Nick-D (talk) 06:50, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

WWII Cobelligerents[edit]

I am not ignoring the RFC. The RFC specifically regarded merging members of the Allies and Axis in the infobox into those alliance names. Not all of the belligerents were members of the Axis, and thus those non-Axis co-belligerents are not covered by the RFC decision. Finland was not a member of the axis, any attempt to lump it in with that alliance is un-historical and creates an anti-Finnish bias.XavierGreen (talk) 19:15, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

We just had a lengthy RfC on that very topic, which you are ignoring the results of. It's good that you've started a discussion of this propsed change, but please stop edit warring. Nick-D (talk) 21:41, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Nick, when I saw the heading, I decided to look up Co-belligerence, as I was unsure what it meant. While that article does explain the term (it sounds logical), most of the article and the definition is unsourced. Further, over half of it is dedicated to Finland's status as a co-belligerent with Germany, most of it appearing to be original research. (The one source is in that section, citing a minor point.) Should the OR section be removed, or just tagged? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 22:35, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Bill, I imagine some well-sourced material on that topic is doable: Finland's status was certainly unusual. As I understand it, the material in the Co-belligerence article is basically factually correct, though it glosses over the extent to which Finland took part on the preparations for the invasion of the USSR and somewhat downplays the coordination between the Finnish and German military efforts during 1941-43. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 09:00, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello Nick, greetings I am from Indonesia, and i need to do some editing on Indonesian Army because it has some mistakes that i would be happy to edit. Thanks. Regards, Adityawarman Suryo (talk) 11:06, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Today's Featured Article: Notification[edit]

This is to inform you that Bombing of Singapore (1944–45), which you nominated at WP:FAC, will appear on the Wikipedia Main Page as Today's Featured Article on 13 December 2014. The proposed main page blurb is here; you may amend if necessary. Please check for dead links and other possible faults before the appearance date. Brianboulton (talk) 21:36, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Bataillon d'Infanterie legere d'Outre-Mer - new article thanks and question on citing different pages from same source[edit]

Hi Nick-D. I just wanted to thank you more obviously for your recent edit (retitling, to remove the acronym) to the new article I created yesterday, Bataillon d'Infanterie legere d'Outre-Mer. I also wanted to ask you if you might be able to explain to me how to format multiple references to the same book source, which cite different pages?

In the article, I cited three books, using the Cite-Templates-Book drop-down refToolbar, and while I gave each ref. a "name" to allow it to be used repeatedly w/ <ref name="smith">DETAILS OF REFERENCE</ref> then <ref name="smith" /> syntax, I didn't know how to do this such that I could also include the page number inline w/ the citation (since I hadn't include a page number in the first long format reference for particular book).

Am I explaining myself correctly here? I used refToolbar because of how clean and consistent it is, and while that gave me the ability to use <ref name="smith" /> shortcut for subsequent citing of same source, I realized I don't know how to do this properly to be able to cite different pages from the same source book. So for example, with Forbes's book on the French Volunteers in the Waffen-SS, there is BILOM material on several different pages (like 487, 488, 489, 491, 492 and 501 iirc) that I would like to cite (or incorporate and cite, in some cases) but don't know how to do that "cleanly" using the <ref name="Forbes" /> shortcut. Can you provide any guidance on this, at your convenience? Thanks. Azx2 19:43, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

YAY! I FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO IT!! Append {{rp|#}} to <ref name="Forbes" />, where # = the page number. Thanks again though!!! Azx2 20:27, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Excellent - the referencing system is a bit trickier to use than it probably should be. Nick-D (talk) 22:01, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Somehow I found this how-to guide WP:FOOTNOTES, and a specific section - Footnotes: page numbers - provided exactly the solution I was looking for! I should thank the creator ;) Cheers, Nick-D!! Azx2 02:33, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks Nick-D. I will alert after this. I hope we will together protect this page from unreferenced statement. Thank you. Magbantay (talk) 10:52, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Nominations for the Military history Wikiproject's Historian and Newcomer of the Year Awards are now open![edit]

The Military history Wikiproject has opened nominations for the Military historian of the year and Military history newcomer of the year. Nominations will be accepted until 13 December at 23:59 GMT, with voting to begin at 0:00 GMT 14 December. The voting will conclude on 21 December. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:35, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[edit]

This user, whom you have blocked for, I appreciate, only 24 hours, is asking for unblock. I see his alleged vandalism, and it may be that here I am showing my ignorance of Australian politics (which I freely admit), but I cannot see why it is vandalism; and it appears, neither can he. Am I missing something? --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 11:11, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

@Anthony Bradbury: It wasn't, therefore my trout and whale above. Luxure Σ 11:21, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm waiting for Nick-D to comment, but this does seem like a very poor block. Thryduulf (talk) 12:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Not sure about you guys, but I don't approve of vandalising BLPs with a deliberately misleading edit summary... I've removed the moronic trouting above: I'm happy to be wacked with a fish when I stuff up, and am open to criticism, but it was obvious that the editor who posted it hadn't actually looked into this vandal's conduct. Nick-D (talk) 21:48, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Fair comment; why this editor changed the spelling of "George" to its middle European equivalent is not clear to me. The edit summary, I submit, is consistent with the nature of the edit. Certainly this is the only misdemeanor, if misdemeanor it be, which I can see comimg from this IP, so labeling it persistent vandalism is a little harsh, although I would concede that the block is short. Do we know if Mr Brandis is of central European extraction?--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 22:16, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
He was born in Sydney [3]. This was vandalism of an article on a controversial Australian politican. Nick-D (talk) 22:28, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't matter how controversial George is, the IP editor believed he was doing well (delusional he must be) and changing it to his native Greek name does not constitue vandalism, it is a good faith edit. All other edits were constructive so I reverted your changes on all of them except for Brandis' page. Luxure Σ 23:27, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure why some whose IP address geolocates to Sydney changing the name of a BLP from Australia who's universally called "George Brandis" to what's apparently the Greek version of their first name on the English language Wikipedia wouldn't be vandalism... - there's no sensible reason to have made such a change, and especially not under a false edit summary claiming that it was correcting the spelling. I note that this person has just stated again that the change was a correction. They're a vandal. Nick-D (talk) 23:41, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
That is not vandalism. It might be incorrect, and there might not be consensus for it, but the user believed (and still believes) that it was a correction - that is not vandalism. The edit was made in good faith, and all their other edits have been good faith enhancements to the encyclopaedia. We do not block contributors for a single bad edit absent evidence of bad faith or block/ban evasion - neither of which we have here. Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Can you please explain why this could in good faith be considered a correction? As far as I'm aware Brandis has never been known by a Greek-language name, and I can't think of a sensible reason why someone living in Sydney would decide to name him as such. According to [4] Brandis was born in Sydney to parents who don't appear to have been Greek migrants, and has since lived in Sydney, Queensland and the UK. From your user page you appear to live in the UK, and you may not be familiar with Brandis' controversial (and often-lampooned) reputation. Are there sources in which Brandis identifies as using a Greek version of his first name you can highlight? I can't find any. Nick-D (talk) 10:01, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
There wasn't even any warning. You should, being an Admin, be able to distinguish between GF edits and Vandalism. Luxure Σ 09:58, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
See above, as well as WP:BLPREMOVE. Nick-D (talk) 10:01, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────(talk page stalker) I just reviewed IP 58's edit at George Brandis - he/she changed the name "George" to "Yiorgo" with the edit summary "fix spelling". Personally as an Australian editor if had seen this edit I would have instantly reverted it as vandalism because it clearly is this. There is no evidence provided he has ever spelt his name this way and seems fairly clearly to be a violation of BLP, while the edit summary is also disingenuous. FWIW it looks like disruptive editing to me. Anotherclown (talk) 10:20, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Even if this edit was disruptive, one edit is not a reason to block them, especially without warning, and doubly so when their other edits were all good ones. Thryduulf (talk) 10:26, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Respectfully, I disagree with you. Someone who's first edit is to clearly violate WP:BLP, second edit involves a snarky edit summary and third edit is goofing around (at the expense of a living person) isn't here to edit constructively. The fact that they're continuing to maintain that their obvious vandalism was constructive tends to support my response in my (biased) opinion. Nick-D (talk) 10:41, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Anotherclown- the edit was a vandal edit- any Aussie editor would have realised that- but blocking the user for that one edit when the others were good edits is wrong (the Kimera Kat edit is a -HUMOROUS- page, and is tagged as such). The edit summary the ip used on the ALP's wikipage used the term 'Murdoch party'. While wrong and if in article space is blatant vandalism, the user though it humorous to use to term considering Murdoch is one of the biggest supporters (and reviewing other edits to Brandis' page, master sockpuppeteer) of the Liberal Party. That 'snarky' edit summary is hardly a reason to block. Luxure Σ 11:20, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Fuji-class ACR[edit]

I've responded to your comments and would welcome your thoughts on them.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 04:13, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


Was travelling the last two weeks, so have to spend some time making sure the lists are accurate and complete before documenting, hence why I need the time, by the way. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:03, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

No worries at all Adam. Ian and I are also a bit behind our usual schedule (due also to travel in part in my case) Nick-D (talk) 06:24, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Voting for the Military historian and Military newcomer of the year now open![edit]

Nominations for the military historian of the year and military newcomer of the year have now closed, and voting for the candidates has officially opened. All project members are invited to cast there votes for the Military historian and Military newcomer of the year candidates before the elections close at 23:59 December 21st. For the coordinators, TomStar81

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:33, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


imho, they have had their fun with outright false conjecture all day, it really needs some reigns satusuro 08:13, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, these kinds of articles are generally terrible. This one isn't too bad at the moment, but will likely deteriorate once the Australian editors go to bed... Nick-D (talk) 09:40, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Murder of Kylie Maybury[edit]

Hi Would you be interested in expanding the Wikipedia article on Kylie Maybury? Murder of Kylie Maybury

it just involves editing the article and adding/correcting information. I think Americans have gotten to Kylie's article as it talks about Kylie "going to the grocery store" - Isn't that an Americanism not used in Australia? Paul Austin (talk) 14:17, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, That's not a topic I know anything about or, to be honest, a topic I wish to know anything about - I find all forms of child abuse to be pretty upsetting, and especially extreme instances such as this. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 06:56, 16 December 2014 (UTC)


Yes! I am planning to add the timeline to the bugle, I've just been up to my ears in medical paperwork for veterans (how appropriate for a milhist coordinator, eh?) the last week or so and as a result haven't had a lot of time on here to clear my head and think about getting it together. You'd be surprised as to exactly how soul crushing it is to do administrative VA-related paperwork; on more than one occasion its put me to sleep. Anyway, I do intend to get to this - hopefully by the end of this week, unless you guys want the bugle out before the end of the week, in which I case I'll put a rush on it. TomStar81 (Talk) 23:23, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Tom, can you provide this by Saturday your time? (@Ian Rose:). I know your pain (though I tend to be at the generating end of government paperwork I fear!). Nick-D (talk) 07:47, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Gold Beach[edit]

Hi Nick-D. Unfortunately I wasn't able to find source material re: a couple of your suggestions, but I have pretty much finished with Gold Beach, and it's ready for you to check over. Thanks so much for reviewing. -- Diannaa (talk) 23:54, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, I'll follow up on the review later today Nick-D (talk) 07:46, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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