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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 16:42, 2 August 2010 [1].

Grammy Award for Best Dance Recording[edit]

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Nominator(s): Another Believer (Talk) 17:54, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets FL criteria and closely resembles other Grammy-related featured lists I have successfully nominated (Best Alternative Music Album, Best Female Rock Vocal Performance, Best Male Rock Vocal Performance, Best Traditional Pop Vocal Album). I realize another Grammy-related list is currently being examined by reviewers, but many of the concerns have been addressed and the list has received support already, so I thought it was acceptable to nominate another list (and I have other lists waiting as well). Thanks again to reviewers for taking the time to examine the list and offer suggestions! --Another Believer (Talk) 17:54, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) Excellent stuff, just a few nitpicks:

  • 2005 – according to the source, "Good Luck" features Lisa Kekaula; do you make distinctions like that on the list?
I just say "and" as opposed to "featuring". If they had won, both would have received a Grammy award, so I think "and" is more inclusive. --Another Believer (Talk) 15:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • 2006 – according to the source, "Galvanize" featured Q-Tip, but you make no mention of that in the list.
Done. Thank you for pointing this out--now sure how I missed that. --Another Believer (Talk) 15:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dabomb87 (talk) 15:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! --Another Believer (Talk) 15:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Wizardman Operation Big Bear 22:31, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Comment: "In 2003, the Academy moved the category from the "Pop" field into a new "Dance" field." So was the award called best pop recording originally? Didn't sound like it but this sentence seems to imply that. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 15:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No. The statement does not imply a name change, but simply a field re-categorization. This is the language used in the source, so I would prefer to keep it similar, though I did add "... which also contains the category Best Electronica/Dance Album" to clarify that another category exists in the field. This statement is supported by the Grammy winners source listed under General references. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:56, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 22:43, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "The award was first presented t..." we've lost track of which award here... re-iterate it.
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:39, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • ", and the name of the category has remained unchanged since then." reads really odd to me. What has the award to Summers and Moroder got to do with the award having the same name?
Remove the name change (or lack there of) fragment of the sentence. I included this because many other Grammy categories have had name changes over the year, and I was stressing that this one remained the same. However, it is certainly not necessary to include, especially if it causes any confusion. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:39, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In 2003, the Academy moved the category from the "Pop" field into a new "Dance" field, which also contains the category Best Electronica/Dance Album." change of tense here.
The change in tense is deliberate, though perhaps done poorly on my part. I changed it to "which currently contains the category Best Electronica/Dance Album as well" to avoid tense confusion. If this does not satisfy your concern, let me know so I can think of alternative wording. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:39, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "with two total" sorry but being BritEng this is way bad. Perhaps "with a total of two"? or just "with two."
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:39, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Same for Madonna. "with five total" is hideous.
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:39, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 22:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, as always, for your suggestions. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:39, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quick comment – "Gloria Estefan holds the record for the most nominations without a win, with three nominations." The last word is a bit of redundancy that can safely be removed. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 02:56, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco
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  • "According to the Academy, the award is designated for solo, duo, group or collaborative performances (vocal or instrumental), and is limited to singles or tracks only." -- is there a real difference between "singles" and "tracks" that you must use the latter?
  • I am just going off what the source states. I see singles and tracks as different, as (especially in the electronic music genre) singles are often released as digital or physical singles in the true sense of the word (one track), while a track implies it is one song from an album. If you find the word "tracks" to be redundant, I would certainly be happy to remove it. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In 2003, the Academy moved the category from the "Pop" field into a new "Dance" field, which currently contains the category Best Electronica/Dance Album as well." -- 1) I think the fact that it was originally in the Pop field should be like the first sentence of the second paragraph or immediately follow the first winners. 2) how about instead reword as "contains the Best Electronica/Dance Album category as well."
  • You might want to take a look at Wizardman's comments, as one was related to this sentence as well regarding a change in tense. Wizardman was satisfied with the inclusion of "currently" to avoid confusion. I did, however, move the sentence from the end of the paragraph towards the front, as you suggested. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a basis for double nationalities? Like why do some have the USA listed before their other nationality?
  • Two nationalities are displayed when there are two artists with different nationalities, such as Donna Summer and Giorgio Moroder. The former is American, while the latter is Italian, hence the two nationalities displayed in that order. A similar arrangement is made for The Chemical Brothers and Q-Tip. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove the link of disco recording from the See also because you have linked that article in the history section of this article.--Truco 503 16:55, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 21:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I think you'd be justified in linking "dance music" appropriately in the lead.
  • Could clarify the first presentation was joint for a collaborative effort.
  • I didn't state "collaborative" specifically, but I changed the sentence to indicate that they were awarded for the song "Carry On" (implying both were awarded for the same work). --Another Believer (Talk) 20:45, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "holds the record for the most wins in this category, with a total of two" seems a little weak to me. Perhaps you could just emphasise the fact that JT is the only multiple recipient?
  • Agreed. Now states: "Justin Timberlake is the only artist to win the award more than once, with a total of two." --Another Believer (Talk) 20:45, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the award most frequently" do you mean frequently or most in total?
  • As in "most often". Should the wording be changed? If so, I will likely go back to all of the other Grammy-related lists (which have similar wording) and edit them as well for consistency. --Another Believer (Talk) 20:45, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, should have noticed this before. Frequency isn't the same as total number, and I guess, as you're saying, you mean most overall. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:48, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • So should it read: "Americans have received the award most often, though..."? If so, I will make the same edit to all other Grammy lists I have been working on. --Another Believer (Talk) 20:51, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe something like "Since its inception, American artists have been presented with the award more than any other nationality" (or something like that...)? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done. Will also update wording for other Grammy lists. Thanks for the suggestion! --Another Believer (Talk) 21:10, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • " lobbied for more than two years to get the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences to acknowledge" - "to get the..." sounds a little clumsy to me.

The Rambling Man (talk) 20:20, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Do artists need to be linked multiple times in the same table? Example: Justin Timberlake twice right next to each other. Tezero (talk) 15:30, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is necessary for sortable tables, because we can't always determine which Justin Timberlake table cell appears first. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:43, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Just looked over the nom's other FLs, and apparently this is fine. Stands to reason, anyway. I think I will support this. Tezero (talk) 23:07, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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