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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 22:00, 8 February 2011 [1].

List of international cricket centuries by Jacques Kallis[edit]

List of international cricket centuries by Jacques Kallis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Harrias talk 12:43, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another cricket centuries list, from perhaps one of the most underrated cricketers currently plying his trade on the international circuit. This one follows the format of those that have come before it, but as usual I expect a few things will crop up! Look forward to your comments and suggestions. Harrias talk 12:43, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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  • "the greatest cricketer ever" - one source says this, so I'm not entirely convinced. Although it's factually accurate, it's just POV, albeit of a single published journalist... you know what I mean?
  • I know exactly what you mean: I deliberated long and hard over whether to put this in. I'll probably take it out, but for the moment I will leave it there to consider how to rephrase the opening. Harrias talk 22:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "best all-rounders of all time" unfortunate repeat of "all..." reads a little awkwardly for me.
  • Assuming the above quote is taken out, 'off all time' could be replaced by 'ever'?Harrias talk 22:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "a run he continued in his ..." I think he "extended" the run...
  • "Kallis reached his 22nd century during the 2004–05 tour of the West Indies, and passed Gary Kirsten as South Africa's leading run-scorer in Test cricket." I think the facts are the wrong way round. Becoming top SA scorer is much more relevant than it being his 22nd century.
  • Done: Absolutely: changed order of the sentence. Harrias talk 22:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • You have "Sir Donald Bradman" and also "Don Bradman" - perhaps the second could just be "Bradman"?
  • You link both not out and unbeaten to the same thing. Perhaps, for the sake of non-experts, stick to the same phrasing?
  • I linked them both so that I could use them both; I didn't like to repeat the one phrase twice. Can change it, but will wait for further opinion unless you feel strongly about this. Harrias talk 22:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "a run-a-ball" not sure this should be hyphenated. I've never seen it written that way. Perhaps "one run per delivery" or something for accessibility to non-experts?
  • Done, changed as suggested. Yeah, I just couldn't think of the best way to write it!Harrias talk 22:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "behind only the 21 scored" no need for "only".
  • Done, changed as suggested. Sensationalism creeps in! Harrias talk 22:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please note the discussion over the accessibility of the "suit symbols", e.g. the spade symbol, here. Hopefully we can replace the existing symbols with those that can be interpreted by screen readers in due course.
  • Now changed to {{double-dagger}} to avoid confusion with the standard use of the single dagger / cross to represent a wicket-keeper.Harrias talk 22:04, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was just this second going to suggest you did that. You read my mind. And thanks for taking the time to do the ACCESS thing. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:05, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's fine: we want as many people as possible to be able to use this information. I've gone through all my other featured lists and made the changes too. Harrias talk 22:14, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the table, is "Date" the date of the start of the match or the start of the innings or something else?
  • Maybe (just maybe) consider a "South African cricket..." category...

The Rambling Man (talk) 21:12, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support – Meets FL standards. Full disclosure: I made a cleanup edit right after the article was created, when it was up for DYK. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:38, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support made one minor edit regarding which "South Africa" needed linking first in the key, but otherwise an excellent addition, stable, factually correct, well referenced and a good addition to our numerous cricket FLs. Well done. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:37, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Courcelles 19:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Just noticed that we never point out that a century has to be 100 runs in a single innings. Given he scored two centuries in one match, worth doing.
Surely we have a link for "strike-rate" for the uninitiated?
Not out is linked three times in the lede. Any reason why?
Is there a reason not to give the strike rate for the test matches?
There is, and it's rather assumptive to be fair. Test cricket is not about how quickly a player scores, so strike rate is rarely, if ever, even mentioned in a Test cricket scenario. I accept it's cricket-centric, a little like some of those many baseball stats we Brits find utterly inaccessible! Finding a ref to say what I've just said may be difficult though... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:16, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Courcelles 19:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for your comments: I have expanded the definition of century to include "in a single innings", and have linked strike-rate (I hadn't got it in before as I'd linked to strike-rate from "runs per hundred balls" just beforehand). Have unlinked not out in one place in the lead, think the other occasions are suitably linked. And I refer to TRMs comment regarding strike-rate in Test matches: it's not the most relevant statistic. Harrias talk 19:47, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Thanks for the explanation, gents. Courcelles 19:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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