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WikiCup 2015 May newsletter[edit]

C/2014 Q2 (Lovejoy) is a long-period comet discovered on 17 August 2014 by Terry Lovejoy; and is one of several Featured Pictures worked up by India The Herald (submissions) during the second round.

The second round one has all wrapped up, and round three has now begun! Congratulations to the 34 contestants who have made it through, but well done and thank you to all contestants who took part in our second round. Leading the way overall was Belarus Cas Liber (submissions) in Group B with a total of 777 points for a variety of contributions including Good Articles on Corona Borealis and Microscopium - both of which received the maximum bonus.

Special credit must be given to a number of high importance articles improved during the second round.

The points varied across groups, with the lowest score required to gain automatic qualification was 68 in Group A - meanwhile the second place score in Group H was 404, which would have been high enough to win all but one of the other Groups! As well as the top two of each group automatically going through to the third round, a minimum score of 55 was required for a wildcard competitor to go through. We had a three-way tie at 55 points and all three have qualified for the next round, in the spirit of fairness. The third round ends on June 28, with the top two in each group progressing automatically while the remaining 16 highest scorers across all four groups go through as wildcards. Good luck to all competitors for the third round! Figureskatingfan (talk · contribs · email), Miyagawa (talk · contribs · email) and Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs · email) 16:33, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of The Crescent, Taunton[edit]

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Next project?[edit]

Wisden Leading Cricketer in the World looks like a good candidate for a scrub up and nom? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:13, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


It's nowhere near ready! If you want to quick fail it or anything, that's fine by me. I recognise the nominator - he has a habit of doing this, if I remember correctly. Sarastro1 (talk) 12:44, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

We need a clear philosophy of what is and isn't OK for DYK hooks[edit]

I'm bringing this up privately (so to speak) so as not to add to The Rambling Man's current tantrum. I more-than-generally agree with your judgments at DYK (where good judgment is sometimes hard to come by -- especially timely good judgment) but I would really like you to think about your pull here [1], prompted by [2]. Must we always be at the mercy of the skittish schoolmarms? Must anything fun and intriguing, which just maybe teaches the reader something new and interesting (i.e. re Roanoke) alongside the main hook fact, be smothered in its crib because one IP don't get it, after which a grump with his nose in the air chimes in he DONTLIKEIT? EEng (talk) 23:59, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

@EEng: In my opinion that hook was just trying to do too much. As the IP correctly pointed out, saying that this is "no danger" of something "mysteriously" disappearing is more or less a direct contradiction, while drawing a comparison between the Percina roanoka and the Roanoke Colony was extremely tenuous. The problem with ERRORS is that all decisions become somewhat rushed and often lacking in general consensus, but I try my best: they have been a number of times that complaints have been dismissed too, it isn't just a case of bowing to the moaners! Harrias talk 07:12, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
@EEng: please stop referring to me in derogatory terms across the encyclopedia. I don't do it to you. And you wonder why you drove me away. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:58, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Harrias, it's precisely because you don't bow to all the moaners that I approached you. I'd like to discuss with you a framework for thinking about this, after which we can approach the broader field of DYK participants. It occurs to me there are really two things to talk about: (a) to what extent may hooks depart from utterly straightforward "just the facts, ma'am" style?; (b) what should be the criteria for a pull? I'd like to start with (b). Are you game to talk this through a bit? EEng (talk) 20:27, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
@EEng: I'm always happy to talk anything through, though I'm not around so much at the moment as I would like. That said, I check up on WP a few times a day, even if I don't edit, so feel free to post; I will definitely read and think about it, even if I don't reply straight away. Harrias talk 20:32, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
OK, good, but if you're pardon me I've changed my mind and would like to go back to (a). Let's start with this food for thought: what do you think of ALT3 of this nom? EEng (talk) 22:43, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
@EEng:Personally I think that is fine. It is slightly misleading, but intriguing. It remains completely factual, retains the correct capitalisation, and uses professional language. There is nothing wrong with quirky hooks, but I think hooks are perhaps straying too far towards an April Fools style joke or pun. For example (and I was actually the admin that promoted this from prep to queue) the hook currently on the main page: ...that Thao Ma's 1966 Laotian coup bombed? In my opinion on the Main page of Wikipedia, we should be using a professional level of English, and "bombed" in this usage, is an informal or slang term. Therefore, while I did promote it, now that I'm considering where the line should be, I would actually rule against that hook. I'm going to stop pinging you after this post, and just assume you're watching my talk page, because the pings annoy me! Harrias talk 17:07, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, been traveling, but let's continue when I'm settled. EEng (talk) 14:00, 21 May 2015 (UTC)