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The list was promoted by Giants2008 23:07, 2 November 2012 [1].

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List of songs recorded by Alexandra Burke

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• Featured list candidates/List of songs recorded by Alexandra Burke/archive1

Nominator(s): AARON• ^TALK 16:05, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because... I worked hard on creating and formating the article. I also believe it follows in the same style of List of songs recorded by Rihanna and List of songs recorded by Leona Lewis which I have previously promoted to FL. The list is current and up to date is not likely to change until she releases her third album sometime in Summer 2013. AARON• ^TALK 16:05, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TSU

'Comments by TSU Can the image of Burke be reduced in size? At present, it is creating a big white-empty space which makes me feel a bit less comfortable. It can be made like it is at Rihana's page Reduced. AARON• TALK Armando Pérez, better known as Pitbull, - I really feel that only "Pitbull" should be included since the real name gets covered up in the first line of the article to which it is linked in the sentence Removed. AARON• TALK Simple edit: please add this up; Category:Alexandra Burke songs Added. AARON• TALK on which he is appears as a featured artist - a bit re-phrasing needed? Reworded. AARON• TALK Burke collaborated with an entirely new set of writers and producers, none of whom were involved with Overcome. - optional but a ref would be better The whole paragraph talks about the new writers, and the table shows that the writers are different. So it is sourced in a way lol. AARON• TALK I'm a bit busy these days but anyways, this is indeed one of the better lists I've seen. It'll have my support for sure. TheSpecialUser TSU 19:26, 17 October 2012 (UTC) Okay cool, thanks for commenting. AARON• TALK

• Support - Thanks for the ping Aaron. The article looks good enough to have the star. :) TheSpecialUser ^TSU 01:47, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Et3rnal 17:52, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Few things I've noticed while reading through: Lead Include the year that Heartbreak on Hold was released. Added. AARON• TALK "Burke co-wrote two songs on the album, → replace comma with colon. Replaced. AARON• TALK "Cutfather and Jason Gill co-wrote and produced three songs for the album, including Heartbreak on Hold's second single..." → "Cutfather and Jason Gill co-wrote and produced three songs for Heartbreak on Hold, including its second single...". Reworded. AARON• TALK Table For the field with "Unknown" replace with {{Unknown}}, as it looks better. Added. AARON• TALK Refs Ref 3: Un-italicise Digital Spy. Italicised. AARON• TALK Ref 2 & 4: You linked Alexandra Burke and Syco for both refs. Unlinked. AARON• TALK Ref 5 & 9: Un-italicise iTunes, and replace Great Britian with UK, as there isn't a Great Britian regional option in iTunes. Italicised. GB is actually in the URL. AARON• TALK Et3rnal 20:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support – Nice work! Et3rnal 17:52, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

  Thanks. AARON• ^TALK 18:38, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support – Article looks good. I just have one comment about the lead. You forgot to add "and" after "Between the Sheets". — Oz (talk) 23:05, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

  Lol, done Oz :-). Thank you both. AARON• ^TALK

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 12:22, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "recorded material..." I think songs would better than material, seeing as that is what the list is about Changed. AARON• TALK "She has also collaborated with other artists for duets and featured songs on her albums, and for charity singles." sentence is hard to read, needs revising with less ands in it Changed. AARON• TALK "After winning" example of Noun+ing change to Burke signed a GB£1 million recording contract with Syco Music after she won The X Factor in December 2008 and then change the Burke in the adjoining part of the sentence to she to avoid repetition Changed. AARON• TALK "Burke began to work with writers for her debut album, Overcome, which was released in October 2009." needs a reference Referenced. AARON• TALK The first single, "Hallelujah", was released the day after she won The X Factor," day after she won The X Factor is not encyclopaedic language. Would prefer if you gave the exact date it was released. Also The first single is a bit ambiguous, specify it was the album's first single, whole sentence could do with a ref as well. Added a release date. I don't see how first single is ambiguous? There's nothing ambiguous about a first single, because, well, it is the first single. Lol. AARON• TALK I don't see any release date, the sentence is exactly the same. You need to state it was the first single from the album and remove day after X FActor final and give a specific date when it was released. NapHit (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Sorry I added a reference but forgot to add release date. AARON• TALK "Moroccan-Swedish songwriter RedOne co-wrote and produced three songs for the album, including "The Silence", "Broken Heels" and "Dumb"." why do you use including in this sentence? you say they produced three songs and subsequently list the three, including does not need to be used as you list all the songs they wrote Removed. AARON• TALK "The re-release of Overcome in December 2010 included a collaboration with Cobra Starship on "What Happens on the Dancefloor" and with Laza Morgan on "Start Without You"." I would re-write this so its clearer that the re-release icluded material that was not on the previous release Added. AARON• TALK "Cutfather and Jason Gill co-wrote and produced three songs for Heartbreak on Hold, including "This Love Will Survive", "Between the Sheets" and the second single "Let It Go"." again no need to use including Removed. AARON• TALK How can liner notes from an album that was released in 2009, reference stuff from an album released a year later? even if it was a re-release Do you mean 2008? Because the re-release had a new booklet which had the credits for the new songs. AARON• TALK Now I'm referring to ref 4, which is the liner notes from Overcome released in 2009. How can liner notes from that album reference songs that were released on an album a year later? Surely you would need the liner notes from the re-release as the new songs won't be on the original. Songs from the re-release that are referenced by ref 4 are "Before the Rain" and "The Silence New Single Mix" Also our wikipedia article for Overcome gives different writers for "Before the Rain" which one is right? That highlights why we can't rely on other links for verification. NapHit (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC) I just said that I have used the liner notes from the re-release. So you want to write "re-release" in the reference I assume, which I'll do. The Overcome article is most probably wrong. Album articles I've found, as with Rihanna's and Leona's lists I've done, were wrong in their track listing. So this list is correct. AARON• TALK ref 1 the publication date is 31 May 2012 not 27 May 2012 and the author needs adding Done. AARON• TALK ref 3, I'm not convinced Digital spy is a reliable source, anything that can prove otherwise? What? Digital Spy is extremely reliable. You can't get much more reliable, it's the same as MTV News, Rap Up etc. AARON• TALK ref 5 the hyphen should be an en dash, likewise ref 9 Do what? AARON• TALK Instead of using a hyphen, you should use an en dash, see WP:DASH Done. AARON• TALK ref 5 also doesn't any info on who wrote the songs Why does it need to talk about who wrote them? The album was nowhere being released, it was a quote about what the album would be like. AARON• TALK This is now ref 7, which is used to reference a number of songs and doesn't provide the names of the writers for those songs. NapHit (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Liner notes mean from the album booklet itself. It doesn't have to take the user to a URL with the writers. AARON• TALK When clicking n the a in ref 6 you do not get taken to the location of the ref, needs fixing A? It takes you to "featuring DJ Erick Morillo.[6]". Works fine for me. AARON• TALK Its ref 8, since you've added a few more refs. Ref 6 works fine, the A link on ref 8 does not. NapHit (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Ref 8, A goes to the picture of Pitbull on the left, Ref 8, B goes to "All Night Long" Remix in the table. AARON• TALK ref 8 doesn't mention anything about Everybody Hurts being a charity record It cites the writers. The song is linked, so people can click on it, where it clearly says it's a charity single. AARON• TALK As I stated above, refs are needed as our articles do not always include the correct information. NapHit (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Provided a source in the table for "Everybody Hurts" from Rolling Stone. AARON• TALK ref 9 doesn't give details of who wrote the song You have to search for the song on ASCAP now, that's just how it is. AARON• TALK This is now ref 11, no issue with the ASCAP refs they're fine, but the iTunes one does not gives the writers for Hero. NapHit (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC) iTunes doesn't give any writers? You have to search for "Hero" in ASCAP. Not really sure what your point is here? Lol. AARON• TALK How do we know that "The Silence New Single Mix" was a promotional release? no reference is stating that it was Says it on the article for the song. Alexandra says in the interview that she was releasing it as promotional single for the re-release of Overcome and for Christmas. AARON• TALK The list should be able to reference that by itself, not rely on other areas of wikipedia, which is actually against guidelines. So I think a reference stating it was a promotional release is needed. NapHit (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC) I have sourced this in the lead. AARON• TALK NapHit (talk) 20:19, 18 October 2012 (UTC) ref 8 is used to reference five songs in the table. Yet the source does not provide details of who wrote the songs. I assume the liner notes for the album do, so I would use them to reference these songs not iTunes. Removed. AARON• TALK re 14 needs an author and publication date adding. Added. AARON• TALK NapHit (talk) 12:22, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:56, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

• Comments

(Note some items may be repeated from above: sorry).

Lead

1. Wikilink Norwegian to [[Norwegians|Norwegian]].

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

2. Adjust piped links on Moroccan and Swedish to [[Moroccan people|Moroccan]] and [[Swedes|Swedish]] respectively.

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

3. Delink common terms (for this type of article) e.g. songwriter

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

4. "fiercier and sexier." > "fiercer and sexier". Spelling and formatting for British English.

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

   1. The way I understand British English, the quote ends then you have the full stop or comma. I've fixed this.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 19:18, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
5. wL iSHi to [[Eshraque "iSHi" Mughal|iSHi]].

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

6. Fix three songs for Heartbreak on Hold, including Since you list all three the 'including' is unnecessary.

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

7. I'd like a better word/phrase than 're-vocalled'. Is this a widely accepted verbification? Maybe try 'redone vocal'?

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

Photos

1. Delink American.

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

2. songwriter with his real name > songwriter under his legal name. Jim Jonsin is his professional 'real name'.

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

Tables

1. For cite album-notes template retain the albumlink= parameter rather than wikilink in the title. If a url can be found later this may disrupt the template.

   Not sure what you mean? AARON• ^TALK

   1. e.g. <ref name="OvercomeNotes">{{cite album-notes|title=[[Overcome (Alexandra Burke album)|Overcome]] (Re-release, 2010)|artist=[[Alexandra Burke]]|year=2009|format=liner notes|publisher=[[Syco Music|Syco]]|publisherid=B001NIIUS2}}</ref> > <ref name="OvercomeNotes">{{cite album-notes|title=Overcome </i>(Re-release, 2010)<i>|albumlink=Overcome (Alexandra Burke album)|artist=[[Alexandra Burke]]|type=liner notes|year=2009|publisher=[[Syco Music|Syco]]|publisherid=B001NIIUS2}}</ref> Note, in this case, (Re-release, 2010) is not in italics: it's not part of the album's title.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:42, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
      1. Done. AARON• ^TALK
      2. I stuffed up on the albumlink and fixed it myself.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 19:18, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
         1. Sorry if I did it wrong. AARON• ^TALK
2. Where are songwriters for "Beating Still"? The album's article gives: Carl Ryden, [[Cozi Costi]], [[Nina Woodford]]; ASCAP gives two hits for 'Beating Still' with one by an exercise franchise and the other by Ryden et al. If there is some dispute over authorship then a note to explain is required. APRA has COSTI C/WOODFORD N/RYDEN C with performer as ALEXANDRA BURKE, if using the latter ref try <ref name="APRABeating">{{cite web | publisher = [[Australasian Performing Right Association]] (APRA) | title = 'Beating Still' at APRA search engine | url = http://www.apra-amcos.com.au/worksearch.axd?q=Beating%20Still | accessdate = 19 October 2012 }}</ref>. Likewise for "Devil in Me" APRA gives MARTIN P/CHRISTOPHER B. To adjust the ref fix title, then go to end of url and after q= type in song's title with %20 in place of spaces. This verfies the album's article, which has [[Bryn Christopher]], Pete Martin as the writers.

1. Ah okay thanks. I didn't know this website existed. AARON• ^TALK

1. It has some limitations: output only gives first initial or sometimes only last name, unless solo writer. However, being in AU I use it a fair bit.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:42, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
   1. You didn't change the second APRA ref correctly: I've done so for you. While there, why is "Beating Still" entered twice?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 19:18, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
      1. Sorry :-/. I forgot to remove the second Beating Still. AARON• ^TALK

1. For E.iSHi. Mughal give full name and wikilink (see above, but not piped).shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:53, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

• Support shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:56, 20 October 2012 (UTC)Fixed signature.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:31, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

  Thanks. AARON• ^TALK 16:43, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

• For Digital Spy's publisher it is given Hachette Filipacchi Médias, Hachette sold Digital Spy to Hearst Magazines UK. See article on Digital Spy itself: "On 1 August 2011, ownership of Hachette UK was sold to Hearst Magazines UK." Only fault I see great work. AdabowtheSecond (talk) 17:57, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

  Done. AARON• ^TALK

  Well then I Support. Great work. AdabowtheSecond (talk) 00:33, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

  Thanks :-) AARON• ^TALK 00:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 22:45, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Oppose Could you come up with a more interesting caption, rather than "Alexandra Burke in October 2011.", like "Alexandra Burke is ...", etc. Not when I don't know where she is, what she is doing, or why she is where she is. I think TBrandley means you should add something notable/interesting about Burke to the image caption, like "Alexandra Burke has had __ singles..." Also, the image is pretty tiny. Why have it be smaller than Pixie Lott's image, considering that Burke is the subject of the article? Ruby 2010/2013 16:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "After she won The X Factor" can you clarify what "X Factor" country series you are talking about The UK version, The X Factor, is the original version and format. We only state which version, like U.S., if it is not the UK version. AARON• TALK Actually, there is no guideline that says that, but whatever. TBrandley 17:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) "GB£1" I that is UK pounds, but can that be clarify somewhere Like?! Lol. GB is Great Britain. I don't really see the point of this to be honest. AARON• TALK I don't see how you say "After she won The X Factor in December 2008", then further down you say "after she won The X Factor on 14 December 2008" that's very repetitive, and only needs to be stated once I have rewritten the latter. AARON• TALK "Its second single" shouldn't that be "the album's", that would be better, IMO? Changed. AARON• TALK I don't see why you can't say the exact date, rather than the month, then year in this list Because this isn't a list of specific release dates. AARON• TALK I meant in the lede. TBrandley 17:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Done. AARON• TALK 11:51, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "featured artist on the former" in the former? Huh, I don't really understand that. That Ne-Yo appeared as a featured artist on the former: "Good Night Good Morning". It's pretty clear. AARON• TALK "British singer-songwriter Pixie Lott co-wrote the song "You Broke My Heart".[4] Moroccan-Swedish songwriter RedOne co-wrote and produced three songs for the album, "The Silence", "Broken Heels" and "Dumb". two sentences that are very simlar can be merged, saying "British singer-songwriter Pixie Lott co-wrote the song "You Broke My Heart", whereas Moroccan-Swedish songwriter RedOne co-wrote and produced three songs for the album, "The Silence", "Broken Heels" and "Dumb". Okay, but "whereas" is definitely not the right choice of word. AARON• TALK Yes, well, "while" is good, okay. TBrandley 17:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) In the very above issues' sentences, you use similar words, "co-wrote the song [...] produced for the album], can this be changed up for some? To what? There's only one way of saying that people co-wrote a song, and that's co-wrote. AARON• TALK I mean the words being changed around somehow, or something. TBrandley 17:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) "She began to work with writers" well, of course, I don't think that's necessary, or needed I don't see an issue with it. AARON• TALK Fair enough. TBrandley 17:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Don't use words like "currently", as per WP:RELTIME Removed. AARON• TALK Could you now add "As of ..., " instead? TBrandley 17:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Added. AARON• TALK 11:51, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Don't use "#" per WP:POUND, that, even though it is an image, should be replaced by something else I'm not referring to numbers or rankings, so it's fine, actually. AARON• TALK It just didn't seem right. TBrandley 17:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) The yellow background is too bright and doesn't seem to meet WP:COLOR, can the color be changed, for WP:ACCESS Where does it say that yellow specifically doesn't meet WP:COLOR? Because I can't see anything. AARON• TALK It doesn't really meet WP:ACCESS or WP:COLOR, Color says "Articles that use color should keep accessibility in mind", and see the below listed, "Some readers of Wikipedia are partially or fully color blind. Ensure the contrast of the text with its background reaches at least WCAG 2.0's AA level, and AAA level when feasible.", etc. Please see. TBrandley 17:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) I still don't see how this relates to yellow specifically. I've seen yellow used in other lists. I think this is more of a personal opinion rather than a FL criteria guideline. AARON• TALK 11:51, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Don't overlink in the table, see WP:OVERLINK It's not overlink. As the table is sortable, they need to be linked, otherwise the combinations of the sort will not show the first one as linked. AARON• TALK Why do some references use {{cite web}} and others don't. Be consistent. Because some are web, and some are news. AARON• TALK A note on this {{cite news}} should be used for online references from a news agency, {{cite web}} is not a ubiquitous method for all online references. NapHit (talk) 22:11, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Why do some references have publishers, and others don't. Be consistent. I am being consistent. All of them have the publisher parameter filled. AARON• TALK No, I mean, why do some have work and publisher, while some only have publisher. See ref. 2, it only has "HMV Group", whereas iTunes has Apple, also. Because HMV publish their own website. ASCAP publish their own website. Apple owns iTunes, and publishes the content of iTunes. AARON• TALK 11:51, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Categories should be sorted in alphabetical order Done. AARON• TALK TBrandley 17:05, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 14:00, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose very poor on the lead. Captions which aren't complete sentences should not have a full stop (e.g. the lead image, please check all others). Removed. AARON• TALK If you could find a "landscape" image of Burke which you could then make larger, e.g. 300px, that would be better than the current very small lead image. The picture is the same height as the two paragraphs, the picture doesn't need to be that much bigger. AARON• TALK Yes, what I'm saying is a landscape-formatted image would therefore provide a bigger image of her face (and less of the dress). Never mind. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:00, 28 October 2012 (UTC) "has also" followed by "has also" two sentences running is poor prose. Removed the former. AARON• TALK Similarly "was released" followed by "was released" in the following sentence is poor and repetitive prose. Changed the latter. AARON• TALK Out of order, you note the first album (2009) before the first single (2008), reads odd. Changed it to be before. AARON• TALK "was released in October 2009" repeated twice in three sentences is poor prose. Changed the latter. AARON• TALK "on the former.[4] He wrote the former two" repetitive. And "the former two"? You might as well just say he wrote the collaborations... Reworded. AARON• TALK "He wrote the former two in collaboration with Norwegian production team Stargate, and the latter" hang on, you only mentioned two songs. Reworded. Is everyone a "singer-songwriter"? Repeated throughout.... Yes. And I only say it three time for three different singer-songwriters. AARON• TALK "while Moroccan-Swedish songwriter" don't think you need to link those. "a re-sung version" is that actually an English word re-sung?! Look above, re-vocalled wasn't approved of. And yeah of course it's an English word. Have changed both anyway. AARON• TALK "Burke co-wrote two songs" just "She co-wrote..." Changed. AARON• TALK "with an entirely new set " no need for "entirely". Removed. AARON• TALK "none of whom were involved with Overcome" redundant if the set of producers were "new". Not really, because only saying "new" could imply a new set of writers, as well as ones she had worked with before. AARON• TALK "co-wrote" is mentioned eight times in the lead, it's very repetitive. Can you find a different way of expressing the same idea to mix it up a bit? I have changed some of them. AARON• TALK I think Award-winning should be hyphenated. If it was just award-winning, then yes. But is says Grammy Award winning, the name of the award is Grammy Award. AARON• TALK You say Syco Music in the lead but just Syco in the refs. Added Music to the refs. AARON• TALK 11:44, 24 October 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 15:05, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Looks good, made a few copyediting changes here. Here are some further comments:

• It might be worth specifying which series of The X Factor Burke won.

  Added. AARON• ^TALK

• Probably no need to link to nationalities (i.e. Norwegian, Moroccan, Swedish), per WP:OVERLINK.

  Someone said above to link them, but I agree, they shouldn't. AARON• ^TALK

• You say "British singer-songwriter Pixie Lott", but "The British singer-songwriter Alexandra Burke". Personally, I'd like to see some consistency.

  Removed "the" AARON• ^TALK

• The links in the contents box that don't lead anywhere (i.e. C, J, K, M, Q, R, U, Z) can probably be removed.

  Removed. AARON• ^TALK

• "The Silence" needs to sort under S.

  Done. AARON• ^TALK

• Is there any reason why James Ryan is credited on the no rap version of "Bad Boys", but not the regular version?

  Because he most probably wrote the bridge which is not present on the rap version, which is replaced by Flo Rida's rap. AARON• ^TALK 12:04, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

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