Wikipedia talk:School and university projects/User:Piotrus/Fall 2009

Suggestion[edit]

Move up the due dates a bunch. Half the work seems to be after the GA starts, so I would have them submit the thing about half way through the class. Or whatever doesn't conflict with midterms. It will probably help them if they don't have to work a ton on it during finals week. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 21:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did think about that; this class will have twice as much time to work on the GA than the summer one, and hopefully they will be done by the finals. This time deadlines are graded, and I am stressing collaboration, so articles entering GA review should be significantly better - and the groups more motivated - than in the last edition. At least, that's the plan :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:07, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GAN on November 16, and must have been passed by December 11? If so, that sounds good. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:22, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quite so, and the final weeks is Dec 11-16, so I may actually wait till Dec 16 if some groups need the few extra days. So yes, they have about a month (much better than 1-2 weeks we were able to give them in the summer). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I was trying to figure out. If they're like I was in school, they'll wait until whatever the last deadline is, so you'd do them a favor if you make the deadline December 11. If you're going to extend it to the 16th, don't tell them until the last second. ;-) Just a bit of procrastination psychology. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:33, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed; which is also why this time doing certain things on time is graded. Last time it was not, and few cared... this time I expect many more will. Carrots are nice, but I am quickly learning sticks are needed as well :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:16, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Funny but true. OK, I'll be keeping an eye out for the students when they start. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 21:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Piotrus, I think some of the dates might still be left over from the last time - June 29 and July 13? Nikkimaria (talk) 22:47, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, fixed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Helpful Additional Resources[edit]

http://www.questia.com/library/ I have found good books on this site and then searched the title in PittCat to check them out from Hillman Library or order them from others through Palci or Inter-library Loan. If you can't find a book by searching for its title, make sure you try the author's name before giving up. There have been multiple times when I have been able to find the book through author but not by the title for some reason. Ecr6 (talk) 15:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)Ecr6[reply]

User names for wiki project[edit]

Hi!
David Mandell here letting everyone know my username --Dam59 (talk) 19:22, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alicia Quebral, group 3: acq123 --Acq123 (talk) 00:24, 23 September 2009 (UTC) I added to the page Islam in the Philippines --Acq123 (talk) 00:58, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Questions Regarding Wiki Assignment[edit]

Hi Piotr, I just wanted to see what you thought about the talk page of the stub that my group is going to be working on: Politico-media complex It's kind of heated dialogue going on, but we are supposed to use this page to start planning and communicate, right? It seems necessary to sort of introduce myself and explain what I'm posting for everyone rather than posting as if I'm only talking to my group-mates. Is that right? Thanks! Liz Reali comment added by Ecr6 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That stuff is from two years ago. You can use the talk page all you want to discuss improvements of the article. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 15:07, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thank you! Ecr6 (talk) 15:25, 10 October 2009 (UTC)Ecr6[reply]

I have done the edit and outline for Group 9 - food power ShaqSmith (talk) 12:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article Review[edit]

Group 8 has nominated Politico-media complex for GA status. ColleenHelen (talk) 01:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright Problems[edit]

I fixed the problem and edited the material....where do I put it? ShaqSmith (talk) 19:09, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To write a new article without infringing material, follow this link to create a temporary subpage. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Using templates and <ref name= > makes it much easier[edit]

This excellent piece of advice was given to some groups by User:Sanguis Sanies. I am reposting it here so it can be easily reused/linked in the future. See also: WP:REFNAME. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:43, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello all, impeccable work on the article so far, Kudos all round.

I would however give a few pointers on how to correctly CITE and how to use <ref name= > and the use of citation templates.

The most common ref you are going to use for this article is {{cite book}} reading through the template pages should give you a very good idea of how to use them. You don't have to fill out all the information on every cite. however the more information the merrier. title= is the only field that is compulsory for {{cite book}}.

So using Globalization in World History as an example you would fill it out like this: <ref>{{cite book |last1=Hopkins |first1= A.G.|authorlink1= A.G._Hopkins |last2= |first2= |editor1-first= |editor1-last= |editor1-link= |others= |title=Globilization in World History|trans_title= |url= |format= |accessdate= |edition= |series= |volume= |date= |year=2003|month= |origyear= |publisher=Norton|location=[[New York City]] |language= |isbn=0393979423|oclc= |doi= |id= |page= |pages= |trans_chapter= |chapter= |chapterurl= |quote= |ref= |bibcode= |laysummary= |laydate= |separator= |postscript= |lastauthoramp=}}</ref>

As you can see this has left rather a large amount of fields unfilled, that's okay, in fact we can get rid of them, leaving us with this: <ref>{{cite book |last1=Hopkins |first1= A.G.|authorlink1= A.G._Hopkins|title=Globilization in World History|year=2003|publisher=Norton|location=[[New York City]]|isbn=0393979423}}</ref>

Now, obviously, you are using the book multiple times through the article so rather than cutting an pasting each and every time I'm going to show you how to use <ref name= > so what we are going to do is give the reference a name, we'll call it "hopkins", but you can all it anything "Globalization", "global" or even "asghd" or "iu43gh", ANYTHING, but to make it easy to remember we'll just stick with "hopkins" (it is cAsE SenSItiVE) so make sure you stick with either upper- or lower-case. So you simply put in <ref name= > the first time that you use the ref instead of <ref> and then every time you want to use that ref you simply put in <ref name=hopkins/> So now every time that you want to reference Globalization in World History all you need to do is put in <ref name=hopkins/>.

Now you want to quote an individual page, but you don't want to have to cut and paste and modify the cite each time you ref a page, so (as odd as this may sound) ignore what I just told you. Well, not entirely. we'll still use <ref name= > so when we want to quote page three multiple times we'll call our new ref "hop3" and when we quote page 21 we'll call that "hop21", but again it can be anything so now we'll fill the article full of this; <ref name=hop3>Hopkins 2003, page 3</ref>^[1] and this; <ref name=hop21>Hopkins 2003, page 21</ref>^[2], then whenever you want to ref page three you simply put in <ref name=hop3/>^[1] and to ref page 21 use <ref name=hop21/>^[2]

Then we need to split the references section at the bottom in two: ==Notes== and ==References== in ==Notes== we'll stick the {{reflist}} template, and since it is a particularly large amount of references will split it into 4 columns by writing it like this: {{reflist|4}} this will automatically list all the <ref>'s throughout the article and sort them into 4 even columns for us.

Under the ==References== We'll list each of the books like this: {{cite book |last1=Hopkins |first1= A.G.|authorlink1= A.G._Hopkins|title=Globilization in World History|year=2003|publisher=Norton|location=[[New York City]]|isbn=0393979423}}. That way when people see "Hopkins 2003, Page 3" listed under ==Notes== they'll know to look for it under ==References== for Hopkins name.

If you've done it all properly it should look like below.

Notes[edit]

^ ^a ^b Hopkins 2003, page 3
^ ^a ^b Hopkins 2003, page 21

References[edit]

Hopkins, A.G. (2003). Globilization in World History. New York City: Norton. ISBN 0393979423.

You may also want to check out the various other citation templates and use those in the article.

GA Staus[edit]

I beelive my group has received GA status (Group 9 - Food power) ShaqSmith (talk) 15:02, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Half a year later[edit]

2 students have made edits after the project has ended: [1], [2]. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:00, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

[hop3-1] Hopkins 2003, page 3

[hop21-2] Hopkins 2003, page 21

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