You and Me Both

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You and Me Both
Studio album by Yazoo
Released 4 July 1983
Recorded 1982–1983 at Blackwing Studios, London
Genre Synthpop
Length 40:32
Label Mute
Producer E.C. Radcliffe and Yazoo
Yazoo chronology
Upstairs at Eric's
(1982)
You and Me Both
(1983)
Only Yazoo
(1999)
Singles from You and Me Both
  1. "Nobody's Diary"
    Released: 6 May 1983

You and Me Both is the second and final studio album by British synthpop duo Yazoo (known in the US and Canada as Yaz), released in the UK on Mute Records on 4 July 1983. The album's title was an ironic reference to the fact that the duo had grown estranged from each other and recorded much of the album separately, and they announced their split a few weeks before the album's UK release. The album gave the group a "posthumous" number one record in both the UK and in New Zealand, and reached number 69 in the US. Singer Alison Moyet would soon begin a successful solo career, while Vince Clarke formed the short-lived project The Assembly with Yazoo's producer Eric Radcliffe before going on to greater and long-lasting success with the synthpop duo Erasure.

As with the group's debut album Upstairs at Eric's the US version of You and Me Both differed slightly from the UK version, with the track "Happy People" replaced by "State Farm", the B-side of "Nobody's Diary" which was the only single to be released from the album before the band split.

Recording[edit]

The problems within Yazoo had started even before the recording of You and Me Both. Clarke had never envisioned the band as a long-term project, and was ready to move on after making Upstairs at Eric's, but having already walked out of Depeche Mode after just one album he was persuaded that it would not be a good idea to do the same thing again only a year later. Moyet said, "I think the second album happened because of advice from his publisher, because Vince'd done one album with Depeche and had walked, and then he'd done one album with me and he was ready to walk then. I think that his publisher was going, 'You're mad – you shouldn't be doing this, you should make at least one more record'. But even as we began the second album we knew that it was over, he had already decided he didn't want to work with me anymore." Moyet tried to convince Clarke to reconsider his decision to quit after making a second album, but to no avail.[1]

As with their debut album Upstairs at Eric's, the record was recorded and produced by Yazoo and Eric Radcliffe at Radcliffe's Blackwing Studios in south-east London. However, unlike Upstairs at Eric's which was recorded quickly and mostly at night or early morning due to the studio already being booked during the daytime, Yazoo were able to record You and Me Both "nine to five" and over a longer period of time (the album took four months to make). This suited Clarke, who told Melody Maker, "I think this album was more planned, and to be honest that's the way I like to work".[2] On the other hand Moyet, whose background was the unpredictability of punk bands and pub rock and who had enjoyed the spontaneous recording process of the first album, complained that, "I just can't work under conditions that I think are contrived, everything has to be done really quickly".[3] Another bone of contention for Moyet was Clarke's refusal to be involved in promotional work for the album, leaving Moyet to talk to the press alone: Clarke freely admitted that "towards the end of the album it was mostly me in the studio because Alison was doing a lot of promotional stuff that I wasn't prepared to do... I couldn't be bothered".[2] Moyet recalled just how little communication there was between the two of them while making the album: "He'd go in in the mornings, I'd go in in the evenings, he'd do something then later I'd do something on top of it. It was like a patchwork album where there was no discussion or getting excited about each others' things. We just worked separately."[1]

Writing and composition[edit]

Despite the tense atmosphere between the duo, Moyet said the only serious argument she and Clarke had during recording of the album was over the song "Happy People", which she refused to sing. She told The Quietus in 2011, "There are just some places you can't go, I tried singing that song a couple of times but I couldn't genuinely bring anything to it so I wouldn't do it. But that's the only time I ever refused a song."[1] As a result Clarke ended up singing on the track, the only Yazoo song on which he sings lead vocals (although his spoken word vocals are prominent on two tracks on Upstairs at Eric's, "I Before E Except After C" and "In My Room"). Clarke said that "Happy People" was written about the Liberal Party of which his mother had just become a member, but he declined to say whether the song was in support or against the party. "Unmarked" represents a rare excursion for Yazoo from the topic of love, although Clarke would only say it was "about war".[2]

Speaking about her own compositions Moyet said, "I think some of the songs are personal, but a lot of it is just imagination, I look at other people and put myself in their shoes".[4] For example, "Nobody's Diary" was written when she was 16 and had yet to experience a real relationship.[5] Of "Ode to Boy" she said, "[it] started being of someone I knew, but ended up being more of a poetic exercise".[4] Moyet later re-recorded the track for her 1994 album Essex in a more acoustic style, which she explained was more consistent with how she envisioned the song to have sounded when she originally wrote it. The album's closing track, "And On", is "about death. It came after talking to different friends who had lost somebody close to them. It's saying that it is better for a young person to die like this than being a vegetable. He might have died young, but he had a good life."[4]

The song "Mr. Blue" was later covered by Dutch singer René Klijn, who was suffering from AIDS when he recorded the song in early 1993. He wanted the single to be his musical testament before he died. The song went to number one in the Netherlands for six weeks in April/May 1993, and became the biggest selling single of the year in the country. Klijn died a few months later on 5 September 1993.

Artwork[edit]

The album's artwork was created by design team 23 Envelope, who at the time were also designing many of the album covers for another British independent label, 4AD. The photographs were taken by 23 Envelope's Nigel Grierson. The album cover photograph, showing two Dalmatian dogs fighting while barely visible against a snowy outdoor scene, was chosen by Moyet as it represented how she felt at the time. In the 2008 interview on the In Your Room DVD Moyet remembered how she had selected the photograph:

"I remember being sent down to see this photographer for the album sleeve and I remember I was in a black mood, and he was showing me his portfolio, just showing me what kind of pictures he could take, and as a part of the portfolio was the picture of the two dogs snarling, and I just said, 'We'll have that', and I left".[6]

Critical reception[edit]

Professional ratings
Review scores
Source Rating
Allmusic 4/5 stars[7]
Melody Maker average[8]
NME very favourable[9]
Robert Christgau B[10]

NME praised the album, saying, "Well over half this record puts pop's foremost maverick duo in a superlative master class where finely detailed atmospherics are matched to unbridled sensuality and compassion to make it the prime pop music of its time... You and Me Both is a record of loss, yearning, warmth, anger and defiance, and it stands as one of 1983's major achievements."[9] However, Melody Maker felt that the tension between the duo had affected their music, observing that "considering the upheavals and the onset of disillusionment, it was only to be expected that the quark, strangeness and charm of Upstairs at Eric's would be hard to match. Sure enough, the new album reflects the problems... You and Me Both is a far more accessible, far straighter, more direct, more open, more commercial and far less intriguing affair... You and Me Both desperately shows that the duo were beginning to grow further apart, and perhaps it's as well they split while the going was good. It's not a bad album, it's actually very well played and the vocals and atmospherics are delightful, but the material is simply not as challenging or as unexpected as we could have hoped for."[8]

Allmusic considered that You and Me Both was "perhaps a more consistent collection overall than the first album, this one demonstrates that the duo was anything but played out. While both have gone on to successful careers, you can't help regretting that this was the end of Yaz."[7]

Track listing[edit]

UK version[edit]

Side one[edit]

  1. "Nobody's Diary" (Alison Moyet) – 4:30
  2. "Softly Over" (Vince Clarke) – 4:01
  3. "Sweet Thing" (Moyet) – 3:41
  4. "Mr. Blue" (Clarke) – 3:24
  5. "Good Times" (Moyet) – 4:18

Side two[edit]

  1. "Walk Away from Love" (Clarke) – 3:18
  2. "Ode to Boy" (Moyet) – 3:35
  3. "Unmarked" (Clarke) – 3:34
  4. "Anyone" (Moyet) – 3:24
  5. "Happy People" (Clarke) – 2:56
  6. "And On" (Moyet) – 3:12

US and Canada version[edit]

Side one[edit]

  1. "Nobody's Diary" (Alison Moyet) – 4:30
  2. "Softly Over" (Vince Clarke) – 4:01
  3. "Sweet Thing" (Moyet) – 3:41
  4. "Mr. Blue" (Clarke) – 3:24
  5. "Good Times" (Moyet) – 4:18

Side two[edit]

  1. "Walk Away from Love" (Clarke) – 3:18
  2. "Ode to Boy" (Moyet) – 3:35
  3. "Unmarked" (Clarke) – 3:34
  4. "Anyone" (Moyet) – 3:24
  5. "State Farm" (Clarke, Moyet) – 3:35
  6. "And On" (Moyet) – 3:12
  • Note: the song "Good Times" finishes with producer Radcliffe saying, "I think you should do the first one again, Vince", which elicits a response of laughter – on the LP version of the album the laughter repeats endlessly in a locked run-out groove at the end of side one, while on the cassette and later on the CD version the laughter is heard only once.

Personnel[edit]

Additional personnel:

  • The Sapphires – backing vocals on "Walk Away from Love"

Chart performance[edit]

Chart (1983) Peak
position
Canadian Albums (Billboard)[11] 33
German Albums (Offizielle Top 100)[12] 15
Dutch Albums (MegaCharts)[13] 11
New Zealand Albums (Recorded Music NZ)[14] 1
Swedish Albums (Sverigetopplistan)[15] 4
UK Albums (OCC)[16] 1
US Billboard 200[17] 69

The album was awarded gold certification for 100,000 sales in the UK on 18 July 1983.[18]

Preceded by
Fantastic by Wham!
UK number one album
23 July 1983–5 August 1983
Succeeded by
The Very Best of the Beach Boys by The Beach Boys
Preceded by
True by Spandau Ballet
New Zealand number one album
2–9 October 1983
Succeeded by
The Principle of Moments by Robert Plant

Release history[edit]

Region Date Label Format Catalog
United Kingdom 4 July 1983 Mute LP STUMM 12
cassette C STUMM 12
United States 2 August 1983 Sire LP 1-23903
cassette 23903-4
Canada LP 92 39031
United States 15 April 1987 CD 23903-2
United Kingdom 1989 Mute CDSTUMM12
United Kingdom & Europe 9 June 2008 Remastered CD CDXSTUMM12

References[edit]

  1. ^ a b c Lowrey, Nix (4 May 2011). "Alison Moyet Interviewed: Only You - The Story & End Of Yazoo". The Quietus. Retrieved 5 November 2013. 
  2. ^ a b c Colbert, Paul (25 June 1983). "Diary of a Somebody". Melody Maker (London, England: IPC Media). pp. 24–25. 
  3. ^ Watson, Don (28 May 1983). "What's It All About, Alfie?". NME (London, England: IPC Media). pp. 6–7. 
  4. ^ a b c Hills, Simon (23 July 1983). "Alison Alf Moyet". Record Mirror (London, England: United Newspapers). pp. 24–25. 
  5. ^ Lai, Chi Ming (May 2013). "Alison Moyet – Beat The Clock". Electronic Sound (2). iTunes. Retrieved 5 November 2013.  Reprinted at www.electricity-club.co.uk.
  6. ^ "2 Albums, 4 Singles and that was it....", from In Your Room (DVD). Mute Records. 2008. 
  7. ^ a b Ruhlmann, William. Yazoo – You and Me Both > Review at AllMusic
  8. ^ a b Strange, Paul (9 July 1983). "Review: Yazoo – You and Me Both". Melody Maker (London, England: IPC Media). p. 23. 
  9. ^ a b Martin, Gavin (9 July 1983). "Review: Yazoo – You and Me Both". NME (London, England: IPC Media). p. 26. 
  10. ^ "CG: yaz". Robert Christgau. Retrieved 16 March 2012. 
  11. ^ "RPM 100 Albums, September 24, 1983". RPM, Vol. 39 No. 4 (Canada: Library and Archives Canada). Retrieved 5 November 2013. 
  12. ^ "Top 100 Longplay, 29.08.1983". Top 100 Longplay (Germany: Media Control). Retrieved 5 November 2013. 
  13. ^ "Yazoo – You and Me Both" (in Dutch). Dutchcharts.nl. Hung Medien. Retrieved 5 November 2013.
  14. ^ "Yazoo – You and Me Both". Charts.org.nz. Hung Medien. Retrieved 5 November 2013.
  15. ^ "Yazoo – You and Me Both". Swedishcharts.com. Hung Medien. Retrieved 5 November 2013.
  16. ^ "Yazoo | Artist | Official Charts". UK Albums Chart. The Official Charts Company. Retrieved 5 November 2013.
  17. ^ "Billboard 200, retrieved from "Yazoo – You and Me Both" Awards at Allmusic". Billboard 200 (United States: Nielsen Business Media). Retrieved 5 November 2013. 
  18. ^ British Phonographic Industry searchable awards database

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