Talk:Six Vilayets

There is some disagreement on whether to use Armenian? Western? or Turkish names for these vilayets, see this diff[1].  Andreas  ^(T) 17:09, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Dialects

The two standards of the Armenian language are discussed ther and are out of place here.  Andreas  ^(T) 17:12, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Sivas vs Sebastia

Vilayet of Sebastia redirects to Vilayet of Sivas, therefore I changed the link accordingly, but an anonymous user reverted me. There should be some consistency here. See also Talk:Vilayet of Sivas#Sivas or Sebastia?.  Andreas  ^(T) 21:52, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Vilâyat-ı Sitte

Ottoman vilayet.Not armenian vilayet.Ottoman name Vilâyat-ı Sitte. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.100.42.44 (talk) 13:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC) Only %38.93 Armenian :))%62 :))--85.100.42.44 (talk) 13:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

• Zaza people muslim ?
• Qizilbash muslim ?--85.100.42.44 (talk) 13:48, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Proportion of nationalities in the vilayets of Ottoman Asia Minor according to the Ottoman census of 1914.

Muslim population and armenian population. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.100.42.44 (talk) 13:52, 5 November 2009 (UTC) Pleace rename Vilâyat-ı Sitte.--85.100.42.44 (talk) 13:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC) Subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire name Vilâyat-ı Sitte.--85.100.42.44 (talk) 14:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Armenian name with transliteration

The Armenian name "Վեց հայկական նահանգները' does not appear in Google and thus is probably wrong.  Andreas  ^(T) 19:12, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

The introductions of these articles

Meowy, on the Vilayet of Mamûretü'l-Azîz, talk page made a good point on how these articles should begin. While it is true that these six vilayets formed the core of Western Armenia, they were, for the Ottomans, simply the easternmost provinces of the Empire. Rather than simply opening up each article that these vilayets were one of the six Armenian vilayets, we should give a more simple, if mundane, opening line such as, "was a province of the Ottoman Empire in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries." After that, we can state its relevance and importance to Armenian history.

I'll try to supply additional sources and material for the expansion of these articles.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 04:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

The Armenian name

Վեց հայկական նահանգները in Armenian means

Վեց - six

հայկական - Armenian

նահանգները - provinces

and the only thing that can be changed is the "provinces" to "vilayets", but in this way much less results. --Hovik95 (talk) 14:13, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Giving a literal translation of the English term is meaningless if the term is not used in Armenian texts.  Andreas  ^(T) 16:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Is Վեց հայկական նահանգները spelled differenly in traditional spelling? Then it should be looked up again.  Andreas  ^(T) 16:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I wonder if having this Armenian name is justified? I've a feeling the "Six Armenain vilayets" is actually a late 19thC European concept, coined as a way of defining the vilayets of the Ottoman empire whose Armenian populations were most at risk of massacres and oppression. Meowy 20:21, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Heck, the article itself should just be moved to the Turkish Armenia (or Western Armenia) article. Most of this content can be incorporated onto that page. I'm rather more hesitant on the vilayet pages since they have their own respective histories.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 02:58, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Not to the "Turkish Armenia" article - I have changed its title back to "Armenians in the Ottoman Empire" to reflect that article's actual content. Meowy 16:54, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Population Figures

It would be good to have comparative numbers here. The ones presented are well-known for manipulating the numbers to show the Christians being more numerous than Muslims by excluding the Zaza and Qizilbash from the Islam category. Wikipedia shouldn't be repeating it. The Ottoman censuses and especially the Cuinet reports are more neutral. On the other side, there was also the Armenian patriarchate's own census. In any case, the Ottoman Armenian population page is probably the most suitable venue for the discussion. Ordtoy (talk) 07:26, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Some of the population figures are wrong. 507,000 total is given for Sivas vilayet - yet all the censuses give over 1,000,000 as an actual number. The Ottoman censuses are also known for manipulating the numbers to minimise Christians and maximise Muslims. I think the issue is too complex and too uncertain for population statistics to be presented in a tabular form as if they were known for certain. Meowy 17:38, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. The Ottoman Armenian population page does a good job or going over all the different sources. Just a link to that would be enough, no? Ordtoy (talk) 06:37, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Common name

• "Six vilayets" - 1670 hits
• "Six Armenian vilayets" - 360 hits

Common use = Six vilayets Takabeg (talk) 07:46, 7 September 2010 (UTC)