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:'''184.36.145.87''', ''whoah''! Calm down. There was nothing the matter with what you said, it was how and where you said it that was making a problem. Per [[WP:BRDC|BRDC]], it was not an inappropriate or unwarranted thing for AV3000 to revert your edit for that reason. The wording to which he reverted wasn't suitable, either; per [[WP:YESPOV|YESPOV]] and [[WP:SPADE|SPADE]] we must strive not to create the false appearance of neutral balance where the reality of the issue or phenomenon in question is notably, demonstrably, and [[WP:V|verifiably]] lopsided, nor to elide that lopsided reality with [[WP:WEASEL|weasel words]] or euphemisms. It is true, correct, notable, demonstrable, verifiable, and not under dispute (by anyone) that MassResistance is an anti-gay group, so that descriptor is appropriate in the lede of the article. The appropriate place for more detailed discussion of the SPLC designation and so forth is in the relevant section of the article. Please take a moment to [[User:Scheinwerfermann|read up]] on the fundamental core principles of Wikipedia so your future contributions are more likely to remain in place. Thanks! —<span style="font:bold 11px Arial;display:inline;border:#151B8D 1px solid;background-color:#FFFF00;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">[[User:Scheinwerfermann|Scheinwerfermann]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Scheinwerfermann|T]]</sup>·<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Scheinwerfermann|C]]</sub><small>19:20, 14 July 2011 (UTC)</small> |
:'''184.36.145.87''', ''whoah''! Calm down. There was nothing the matter with what you said, it was how and where you said it that was making a problem. Per [[WP:BRDC|BRDC]], it was not an inappropriate or unwarranted thing for AV3000 to revert your edit for that reason. The wording to which he reverted wasn't suitable, either; per [[WP:YESPOV|YESPOV]] and [[WP:SPADE|SPADE]] we must strive not to create the false appearance of neutral balance where the reality of the issue or phenomenon in question is notably, demonstrably, and [[WP:V|verifiably]] lopsided, nor to elide that lopsided reality with [[WP:WEASEL|weasel words]] or euphemisms. It is true, correct, notable, demonstrable, verifiable, and not under dispute (by anyone) that MassResistance is an anti-gay group, so that descriptor is appropriate in the lede of the article. The appropriate place for more detailed discussion of the SPLC designation and so forth is in the relevant section of the article. Please take a moment to [[User:Scheinwerfermann|read up]] on the fundamental core principles of Wikipedia so your future contributions are more likely to remain in place. Thanks! —<span style="font:bold 11px Arial;display:inline;border:#151B8D 1px solid;background-color:#FFFF00;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">[[User:Scheinwerfermann|Scheinwerfermann]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Scheinwerfermann|T]]</sup>·<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Scheinwerfermann|C]]</sub><small>19:20, 14 July 2011 (UTC)</small> |
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==Hate group or not hate group?== |
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Per [[WP:BRDC|BRDC]], we need to hash out the terms we're going to use in this article, here on the talk page. |
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Groups such as MassResistance that insert themselves into politics based on fraught issues generally do not self-identify as "anti-gay"; for obvious reasons they prefer to employ euphemisms such as "family values". We're writing an encyclopædia here; our job is to describe reality as it is, not to promulgate whatever euphemisms such groups may consider most favourable to their own PR image or interests. It is not disputable that MassResistance is an anti-gay group, so that descriptor is apposite and appropriate. It is not disputable that the primary activity of MassResistance is to oppose laws and policies favourable to the advancement of gay rights, so that fact belongs in the "Primary focus/activity" field of the info box. Vague, euphemistic slogans like "Promote traditional family values" are neither encyclopædic nor supportable. —<span style="font:bold 11px Arial;display:inline;border:#151B8D 1px solid;background-color:#FFFF00;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">[[User:Scheinwerfermann|Scheinwerfermann]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Scheinwerfermann|T]]</sup>·<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Scheinwerfermann|C]]</sub><small>07:56, 15 July 2011 (UTC)</small> |
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Hate group
WHAT IS GOING ON HERE???
I put in a perfectly good and NEUTRAL description for "MASSRESISTANCE" and I even added TWO references by reputable sources. Then I get this message that my edit may have (may have? it already had been!!!) changed. WHY??? AND WHO DID THAT??? I put my edit in quotation marks citing the sources verbatum.... WHO THE HELL DOES THIS AT WIKI??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.36.145.87 (talk) 15:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- 184.36.145.87, whoah! Calm down. There was nothing the matter with what you said, it was how and where you said it that was making a problem. Per BRDC, it was not an inappropriate or unwarranted thing for AV3000 to revert your edit for that reason. The wording to which he reverted wasn't suitable, either; per YESPOV and SPADE we must strive not to create the false appearance of neutral balance where the reality of the issue or phenomenon in question is notably, demonstrably, and verifiably lopsided, nor to elide that lopsided reality with weasel words or euphemisms. It is true, correct, notable, demonstrable, verifiable, and not under dispute (by anyone) that MassResistance is an anti-gay group, so that descriptor is appropriate in the lede of the article. The appropriate place for more detailed discussion of the SPLC designation and so forth is in the relevant section of the article. Please take a moment to read up on the fundamental core principles of Wikipedia so your future contributions are more likely to remain in place. Thanks! —Scheinwerfermann T·C19:20, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Hate group or not hate group?
Per BRDC, we need to hash out the terms we're going to use in this article, here on the talk page.
Groups such as MassResistance that insert themselves into politics based on fraught issues generally do not self-identify as "anti-gay"; for obvious reasons they prefer to employ euphemisms such as "family values". We're writing an encyclopædia here; our job is to describe reality as it is, not to promulgate whatever euphemisms such groups may consider most favourable to their own PR image or interests. It is not disputable that MassResistance is an anti-gay group, so that descriptor is apposite and appropriate. It is not disputable that the primary activity of MassResistance is to oppose laws and policies favourable to the advancement of gay rights, so that fact belongs in the "Primary focus/activity" field of the info box. Vague, euphemistic slogans like "Promote traditional family values" are neither encyclopædic nor supportable. —Scheinwerfermann T·C07:56, 15 July 2011 (UTC)