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S&M (song)

Nominator(s): Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 14:27, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because...this article failed FAC last time, and I was advised to wait a few weeks before re-nominating. Also, the article has been through WP:GOCE, which was suggested to me by someone to imrpove my chances, and I feel now that it has further improved upon what it was before. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 14:27, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:17, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Check WP:MOS issues like quotes within quotes, italicization, etc
Be consistent in whether you provide publishers for magazines or not
be consistent in whether you include Viacom in MTV refs
Watch for small inconsistencies like doubled periods
Foreign-language sources should be identified as such
Be consistent in whether website names are capitalized
don't use bare URLs as sources
In general, citation formatting should be made more consistent
What makes this a high-quality reliable source? This?
Check for typos in references, for example FN 60
Multi-page sources like FN 62 need to include page numbers
Web citations need publishers and access dates

Oppose over multiple citation issues. Also, while I didn't look extensively at article text, the prose remains awkward and unclear in places. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:17, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

God, I really don't understand what else I am supposed to do. It has had 3 GANs, which means 3 different editors have all had an input on how to imrprove, 1 Peer Review and someone from the GOCE has also gone through the entire article, in addition to about 4/5 people's comments on the last FAC, as well as my own extensive input. This article has had so much input from so many different people to improve, I really don't know what else to do. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 17:29, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. It's difficult I know, but you really do need to try and find a good copyeditor to help with the prose. A few examples:

"The song was restricted to nighttime television play". Should be "night-time".
"... presents the pop star's wish-fulfillment fantasies about the media, punishing the ones who have written negatively about her". Very awkward conjunction of "media" and "ones".
"... or personally hurt her in sadomasochist-related scenes and fetishes". The way that's written makes it appear as if Rihanna is punishing those with whom she has taken part in SM activities, which I'm sure isn't what's meant.
"... part of a medley with "Only Girl (In the World)" and "What's My Name?". It wasn't a medley with, it was a medley that also included.
"... debuting on the UK Singles Chart at number fifty-five on the week dated November 27, 2010". How on Earth can a week be dated, especially by one day?
"The song has since been certified silver by the British Phonographic Industry (BPI) for shipment of 200,000 copies." Awkward "for shipment of".
"... peaking within the top-three in many countries". Why is "top-three" hyphenated?
"In Australia, "S&M" debuted on the ARIA Singles Chart at number eighty-seven on the week dated November 29, 2010." Same point as above. And why "on the week"?
"It reached number one in its fourth week on the chart and stayed at its peak position for two consecutive weeks." If it stayed there then by definition the weeks must have been consecutive, so the word is redundant.
"As of July 26, "S&M" has sold 1.05 million copies across Europe." What year?
"... giving Rihanna her the tenth number-one single in the US". I think you should ask for your money back from the GOCE.
"A conference is scheduled for August 10, 2011". This is too much detail and needs to be updated now in any case.
"Paris-based photographer Philipp Paulus later sued as well, alleging further copyright violations, from a scene in the music video where Rihanna wears a big dress, is taped up against the wall with a plastic sheet covering of her, with X's all around, which Paulus believes was appropriated from his own photographic series, Paperworld." You should definitely ask the GOCE for your money back for not fixing that monster of a sentence.

Malleus Fatuorum 13:40, 10 August 2011 (UTC) Moved extended discussion to talk. Nominator has expressed frustration but intends to try to address points raised; reviewer has expressed intention to oppose until copy-editing is complete. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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 *"Paris-based photographer Philipp Paulus later sued as well, alleging further copyright violations, from a scene in the music video where Rihanna wears a big dress, is taped up against the wall with a plastic sheet covering of her, with X's all around, which Paulus believes was appropriated from his own photographic series, Paperworld." You should ''definitely'' ask the GOCE for your money back for not fixing that monster of a sentence.
 [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 13:40, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
+<small>Moved extended discussion to talk. Nominator has expressed frustration but intends to try to address points raised; reviewer has expressed intention to oppose until copy-editing is complete. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 03:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)</small>
-: Well it looks like the article has failed FAC already, so you might as well just close it now as it clearly isn't going to be promoted even with these fixes. And saying I need to find a good copyeditor isn't helpful, I don't know who I am going to get when I submit for GOCE reviewing nor do I know if they are 'good'. I've had ''so'' many people tell me conflicting things about how to improve this article I don't know who to believe or what to do. I'm done with trying to promote this article. [[User:Calvin999|<font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">'''''Calvin '''''</font>]]&bull; [[User talk:Calvin999|<sup><font color="orange">Na</font><font color="green">Na</font><font color="red">Na</font><font color="purple">C'mon!</font></sup>]]  15:57, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
-::It's not for me to close anything, but surely even you can see that there's something badly wrong with "giving Rihanna her the tenth number-one single in the US" for instance? You don't need to be any kind of super copyeditor, you just need to read the text, carefully. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 16:29, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
-::: Course I can see it, but it wasn't like that before the GOCE. I feel like reverting to the revision before the editor who was mean't to "improve" the article, as a lot of info has been cut from the article as a result. [[User:Calvin999|<font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">'''''Calvin '''''</font>]]&bull; [[User talk:Calvin999|<sup><font color="orange">Na</font><font color="green">Na</font><font color="red">Na</font><font color="purple">C'mon!</font></sup>]]  16:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
-::::Yes, it ''was'' like that before the GOCE.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=S%26M_%28song%29&oldid=442882988] [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 17:01, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
-::If you're not even going to try and fix the obvious problems then this nomination ought to be withdrawn now. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 22:54, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
-::: I think people involved with FAC forget that editors have a real life and aren't on Wikipedia for every waking moment of the day. Of course I will do them, I'm hardly a person to not bother, if you had of looked at the previous review then you would see that, but it will have to be tomorrow. This is not something to be rushed, and it is now 12:20am. People on the FAC board should remember that editors are not on Wikipedia constantly, and have other things to do in real life. [[User:Calvin999|<font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">'''''Calvin '''''</font>]]&bull; [[User talk:Calvin999|<sup><font color="orange">Na</font><font color="green">Na</font><font color="red">Na</font><font color="purple">C'mon!</font></sup>]]  23:17, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
-::::I think that nominators forget that we're all volunteers, and they expect reviewers to fix their articles for them. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 23:21, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
-::::: That's up to you if you want to take it upon yourself to edit S&M, I never asked you to, so don't come here telling me how "I'm not bothering", when believe me, I am '''very''' hardworking on here, in fact yesterday, I reviewd '''8''' GANs. I don't expect anyone to do anything on behalf of me on here, in fact, I find it rather annoying. If you had of looked on my User page, you would have seen that. And again, if you would looked on the first FAC archive for S&M, you would see I, and only I, carried out the fixes. [[User:Calvin999|<font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">'''''Calvin '''''</font>]]&bull; [[User talk:Calvin999|<sup><font color="orange">Na</font><font color="green">Na</font><font color="red">Na</font><font color="purple">C'mon!</font></sup>]]  23:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
-::::::This discussion is unlikely to end up in a good place. In my opinion the article is poorly written and you have chosen to place the blame on everyone but yourself. My oppose stands until you get it looked at by a decent copyeditor. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 23:38, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
-::::::BTW, I'm rather astonished that you managed to review eight GANs in one day; rest assured that I'll be checking your reviews. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 23:41, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
-::::::: When I have blamed everyone but me? I included myself in the list of people who have been involved with it above, another thing you haven't looked up. You said yourself the person from GOCE has done a bad job on multiple counts in your review above. And yes, there is a backlog in GANs, so I did what I thought would be the best thing to do and help lower the backlog count. Why are you getting personal against me and wanting to check everything I do? [[User:Calvin999|<font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">'''''Calvin '''''</font>]]&bull; [[User talk:Calvin999|<sup><font color="orange">Na</font><font color="green">Na</font><font color="red">Na</font><font color="purple">C'mon!</font></sup>]]  23:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
-::::::::So which of the issues raised have you fixed? Do you intend to fix any of them? [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]]
-::::::::: What did I say earlier? I am going to do them tomorrow. I want to do them in one hit, not a few here and a few there. To be honest, I think you are being quite rude and sarcastic unnecessarily and for no reason. You clearly haven't take any notice of what I have written here in reply to you, and are focused on being rude instead. [[User:Calvin999|<font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">'''''Calvin '''''</font>]]&bull; [[User talk:Calvin999|<sup><font color="orange">Na</font><font color="green">Na</font><font color="red">Na</font><font color="purple">C'mon!</font></sup>]]  01:03, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
-::::::::::Then let me be honest with you. I don't care what you think about my attitude, but until you sort out your prose I will be opposing this article's promotion. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 01:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
-::::::::::: Which will be tomorrow, well, technically today now, as it is 2:20am. [[User:Calvin999|<font color ="blue" face= "Aharoni">'''''Calvin '''''</font>]]&bull; [[User talk:Calvin999|<sup><font color="orange">Na</font><font color="green">Na</font><font color="red">Na</font><font color="purple">C'mon!</font></sup>]]  01:22, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::::::I think, if you listen to what you're being told, you might have a chance this time, but you need to work at it. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 01:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)