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What?!?

This article has completely destroyed all credibility I previously regarded wikipedia with. One short paragraph could easily describe the word and how it is used. This article is an incredibly biased attack on a low socio-economic group within Irish society. The reason it has not already been removed?? "The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas". Why yes Mr. Marx, I do believe you have a very valid point there, where is the article on "rugger buggers" from blackrock? Perhaps its due to the fact that people from these socio-economic groupings have less access to computers or lack the acedemic writing skills required to be a regular wekipedia contributor. With this in mind the question must be posed, What does wikipedia represent? The views, opinions and humerous prose of the elite intellects and acedemics? or an objective, unbiased means of each individual contributing their own knowledge into an evolving up-to-date encyclopedia? Martinq22 14:47, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

• If you'd like an article on the phenomenon of "rugger buggers", then why not go start one? Wikipedia is an encyclopedia which everyone is welcome to edit & editors are encouraged to co-operate to achieve concensus. Care to contribute? - Ali-oops^✍ 14:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Personaly I dont really believe that adding another biased article will balance out the scales here. I mean, Im all for definitions but this article is just ridiculous!Martinq22 14:47, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Spides, millies &c.

The inclusion of the material about spides and their support of loyalism/republicanism is informative, but I can't help feeling that it doesn't fit in the "scanger" article. I don't know much about spides and millies—is there anyone who thinks they would be able to start an article on them? Or would a separate section in this article about "Spides and Millies" suffice?

Also, since people keep adding more bullet points to the part about the scanger accent which are not related to it, does anyone agree that I should create a separate section entitled "Distinguishing features of speech" to avoid confusion?

— Doshea3 20:05, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

The Belfast Spides are the same as the skangers, only are usually called different, so why would they have no places in the article? (86.131.164.88 20:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC))

Sources

Do skangers say knacker drinking? why would they. Also why the reference to Chavs. The word skanger has been in use since the last century, the word chav has been widespread since 2004.

Also we need a source for alot of this. If it isn't sourced I am going to delete chunks of it. 159.134.228.151 10:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, skangers do say "knacker drinking", but not always.

The reference to chavs would help those who are from the UK understand what a skanger is.

semi-protection

I've just asked an admin to {{sprotect}} due to anon editors constantly removing the NPOV/orig tags - Ali-oops^✍ 19:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

• That won't save you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.236.216.23 (talk • contribs)
  • It helps - Ali-oops^✍ 06:26, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The Monk.

Skangers do say knacker drinking. Everyone says knacker drinking.

Eh the reference to the monk being a drug dealer is still in the article and needs to be changed he was, as has been pointed out, an armed robber.

And those people that are up in arms about this not having sources need to chill out it's true and you all know it. it is also just a feckin joke stop taking it so seriously.

Wikipedia Editorial Policy too lax

Aye - and, as an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is a "feckin joke" when it's editorial policy allows the inclusion of utterly inane topics - such as Scanger.

Hobo chang ba 08:07, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• Sounds like a touch of information snobbery to me! What in your opinion should Wikipedia stick to?

Pictures

These were added, Image:Scumbags.jpg, Image:Chavscum.jpg and Image:Subtle shocker.jpg. I removed them as they could be anybody, anywhere and I also thought that they could be being used as an attack on the people pictured in them. Any thoughts? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 22:28, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Good choice. It looks like those photos are all from the same source; judging by the titles, my guess is that they were intended as an attack. Censored photos are okay, but these photos are just inappropriate for an encyclopedia. — Inkuh 22:04, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with current picture as it is optically censored. Leave it alone.

The picture that was put back in was originally in the article. It was removed twice by User:Davie jamestow so he could insert his attacking pictures here and here. When I removed his picture after the second edit I forgot to put back the original picture, which is acceptable. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 05:41, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

It's Skanger

As in with a K. I have never seen it referenced to with a "c" before.

Also I dont mind this being funny (in fact i think this should be) , but there is a lot of wrong information in this article, how old was the person who wrote it, as in did the have any first hand expeerience with them in school etc or is it more a view from slightly further afar? Owwmykneecap 01:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I must say I've only ever seen the word spelt with a c, so both are obviously in use. I believe this article is the collaborated work of lots of people (from looking at the edit history), of varying ages and experience. Some seem to have been more biased than others. I am, however, surprised at how NPOV this is. Not entirely, by any stretch of the imagination, but surprising neutral and factual. Joe Byrne -- Talk -- Contribs - :ga: - :fr: - - 18:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

What's the point of the Scanger page ?

It seems to me that this page was created to help establish a negative stereotype - an activity I believe should not be promoted by Wikipedia. There is a notion that a pre-existing concrete stereotype is being defined. Well, that's nonsense - A stereotype is never fixed in definition. That changes with time and the particular prejudices a defining party brings to the exercise. Why is it that the poorest and weakest in society are usually the ones being "defined" as members of these stereotypes? I believe negative stereotyping develops as a futile reaction to the insecurities inherent in a capitalist society - An amorphous group, e.g., scangers, is called into existence and then blamed for some or all of society's ills. Instead of articles trying to define the shape-shifting characteristics of amorphous groupings such as scangers, chavs, and all the rest, all that is necessary is a page on Wikipedia devoted to defining the phenomenon of negative stereotyping - why it exists - and indicating various methods employed to encourage a more progressive understanding of society's complexities.

Hobo chang ba 18:07, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

• Point: to define the term Skanger.

its not a stereotype, a stereotype would be "all black people rob" a skanger like say a yuppie is the name for people who dress act etc a certain way. the behavoir may be stereotypical of a certain class or it may not but dont confuse this with meanting the term to be stereotypical Skangers are often very anti-social and can be violent...i would hardly calll them the weakest and poorest anyway its a moder phenomenom and rightlyt deserves a page...perhaps a better one, but certainly a page so how about you try write something.... Owwmykneecap 13:53, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Also it's not for Wikipedia to decide if they should be eradicated from society. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:29, 17 June 2006 (UTC)