User talk:Minphie

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Editing

Hi Minphie,

We're obviously in disagreement about the content of the Harm reduction article, which is fine and healthy for Wikipedia. I'm not sure if you're a new editor here, so I apologise if I'm going over the basics. We all write these articles in collaboration, and we need to be able to create articles that are a synthesis of differing arguments. There's a few basics for interacting with other editors, I've linked them below.

• Wikipedia:Five pillars
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When you repeatedly accuse me of vandalising a page, it's not assuming good faith or being overly civil. I haven't vandalised the article, the content was moved to the talk page for discussion. We need to work out a version of your edits that meet the wikipedia guidelines. I've asked a few other editors to come and help edit the page for a bit, so that it's not just you and I reverting back and forth. --rakkar (talk) 01:26, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Your report to AIV

This is a content dispute, not vandalism. Please try to reach a WP:Consensus with the other user on the relevant talk page; if you cannot reach agreement, use the process described at WP:Dispute resolution. JohnCD (talk) 11:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

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Minphie, I really would like to move past the revert war we seem to be stuck in. As I've been saying and as JohnCD noted above, it's up to us to reach consensus. I'd like to give you the chance to put your point of view across in the Harm Reduction article. If we could just examine the structure of the article for now, and leave the exact content to later, I'd like to suggest the following plan:

• The opening paragraph: We keep it as the current three line structure, and if you could write the third line outlining objections to the approach. Can you find a source that talks about general objections to the philosophy, rather than just SIFs? For example, United Nations International Narcotics Control Board only objects to a few harm min programs relating to drugs, not the philosophy in general. If you look at the other two references in the opening paragraph, you'll see that they are broad in scope.

• Syringe exchange and related programs: Currently there are two paragraphs describing NSPs and four criticising them. The article is too long, when editing the whole article, this warning is up the top- "Warning: This page is 45 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." Can you condense the four paragraphs into one? If readers want more, they can go to the main article.

• Safe injection sites: Again, let's discuss the content later, but I feel this section needs to be condensed. I have replicated your content on the main SIFs article and we can carry on the discussion there. Could you shorten your content down into one paragraph again? And I feel that in it's current form, it's too focused on the Sydney MISC, could it be more about SIFs in general?

How does this proposal sound to you? It allows you to ensure that a balanced view of Harm Min is conveyed to wikipedia readers, and it keeps the article trim. I offer this plan in the spirit of consensus, and if you have a counter-proposal, I'd like to hear it. As a show of good faith, I haven't reverted your most recent revert, I'm hoping that we can try to carry on in cooperation. --rakkar (talk) 03:00, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

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Hi Minphie, it's been a couple of days since my last message, I'm keen to agree on the changes I proposed above, are you likely to be around to discuss them soon?--rakkar (talk) 12:13, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

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Hi Minphie, it's been a week since JohnCD made the above comment. I'm not sure if you're still interested in editing wikipedia, so unless I hear from you in the next day or so, I'll go ahead and make the edits i outlined above. I'd welcome you to rework them later if you feel they don't represent the view you want the articles to include but let's try to keep the article short. Let's talk exact content later.--rakkar (talk) 06:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Renaming Safe Injecting Sites

Minphie, can I get your feedback here? Talk:Safe injection site#Naming

If you & others are happy, I'd like to change the name of safe injection sites to Safer injecting facilities. The idea of these facilities isn't to promote the idea that injecting is safe, but that the facilities are to make a risky behaviour safer.--rakkar (talk) 06:39, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

taking it further

Hello, Minphie. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --Figs Might Ply (talk) 02:57, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

• Hello. Strange as it might seem being correct is not the criteria for content on Wikipedia. Rather verifiable, balanced presentation as determined by consensus determines Wikipedia content. If you have one position and two or three editors have the other, than you are in the wrong to keep adding/reverting content. You can utilize article WP:RFC (or WP:THIRD if it's just two of you) to get more eyes on the issue.
• Note that calling editorial positions you disagree with vandalism is inappropriate and not collegial and I'd appreciate if you'd refrain from doing so in the future. Thanks! Gerardw (talk) 13:12, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Your comments on the matter were deleted because you reposted the debate after it got archived, so I started a new process. Your response is contained within, alongside a few notes from me explaining the reposting. I want to reach a proper working relationship around this issue, I hope the fact I have gone out of my way to let you be heard demonstrates to you that I am serious about this.

Also, please respond to comments on the SIF article about keeping the article short for now and working out a timeframe for a longer, more extensive article. IMO your edits the make the page look unreadable and are laid out in a chaotic manner. --Figs Might Ply (talk) 15:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I would like to inform you that there have been input from other editors at Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard#Harm reduction and they also think your "deductions" amount to original research. Steinberger (talk) 09:40, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Note that WP:NPOV and WP:NOR are policies of Wikipedia and not guidelines. Everything written must comply with them. The "evidence based opposition"-essay you wrote at SIS clearly does not comply and you just can't roll my reversion back without also making it compliant to the policies of Wikipedia. Steinberger (talk) 14:27, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Your stubbornness is disruptive. By now you should know that there is consensus that your interpretation of WP:NOR is wrong. Conform to that and start contributing according to the norms of this place or you will eventually be blocked. As you obviously have a hard time understanding tings, I'll take it one more time: This is a warning for you to stop your WP:Disruptive editing. One more time and I will definitely make your behavior known to the wider community that will almost certain sanction you. Steinberger (talk) 14:30, 23 May 2010 (UTC)