Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan/Workshop

This is a page for working on Arbitration decisions. It provides for suggestions by Arbitrators and other users and for comment by arbitrators, the parties and others. After the analysis of /Evidence here and development of proposed principles, findings of fact, and remedies, Arbitrators will vote at /Proposed decision. Anyone who edits should sign all suggestions and comments. Arbitrators will place proposed items they have confidence in on /Proposed decision.

Motions and requests by the parties

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Proposed temporary injunctions

Temporary revert parole

1) Until the conclusion of this case, all parties are restricted to one content revert per article per day, and each content revert must be accompanied by a justification on the relevant talk page.

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Armenian Revolutionary Federation and Azerbaijan Democratic Republic still under protection, and much edit warring continues (e.g. [1]). Dmcdevit·t 03:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Could an arbitrator (or a clerk familiar with the wording, maybe its been recycled) respond to my query here about the enforcement of this injunction? Some of the parties have already made a revert or two (on different pages) without talk page explanation. Picaroon 01:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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Proposed final decision

Proposed principles

Assume good faith

1) All editors are expected to assume good faith in the absence of evidence to the contrary.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Courtesy

1) Wikipedia users are expected to behave reasonably and calmly in their dealings with other users. Insulting and intimidating other users harms the community by creating a hostile environment. Personal attacks are not acceptable.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Neutral point of view

1) Neutral point of view as defined on Wikipedia contemplates inclusion of all significant perspectives that have been published by a reliable source. While majority perspectives may be favored by more detailed coverage, minority perspectives should also receive sufficient coverage. No perspective is to be presented as the "truth"; all perspectives are to be attributed to their advocates.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Verifiability and sourcing

1) Articles should contain only material that has been published by reliable sources. Editors adding new material should cite a reliable source, or it may be challenged or removed by any editor. The obligation to provide a reliable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not with those seeking to remove it.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Original research

1) Original research is prohibited. This includes a new synthesis of published material serving to advance a position; an argument is permissible only if a reliable source has published this argument in relation to the specific topic of the article.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Article probation

1) Where user conduct issues seem to revolve around a single articles, and where there are a large number of editors involved, and those editors are not disruptive otherwise, it may make more sense to put the article itself on probation rather than individual editors. Administrators are empowered to block or ban editors from editing the article for misconduct like edit warring, incivility, original research, or other disruption relating to the article on probation.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Wikipedia is not a battleground

1) Wikipedia is not a battleground. Wikipedia is not a place to hold grudges, import personal or external conflicts, or nurture hatred or fear. Making personal battles out of Wikipedia discussions goes directly against our policies and goals. Wikipedia articles are not a forum for the continuation of real world disputes by other means.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Nicely worded. Picaroon 02:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you. The point I was trying to make was that it was an all out war, before arbitration committee stopped it. Vartanm 02:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Proposed findings of fact

Locus of the dispute

1) Wikipedia has been disrupted by a serious of editing disputes centered around the political and ethnic constitution of Armenia and Azerbaijan.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Sources

1) Sources in English include 1993 UN Security Council Resolutions on Nagorno-Karabakh and Azerbaijan: Seven years of Conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, Human Rights Watch/Helsinki (1994), ISBN 1-56432-142-8 Online. Articles in the New York Times include "Trying to Tell a Truce From a War", By MICHAEL WINES, May 27, 2001 restricted access, "Armenia and Azerbaijan Remain Stalled in Talks", By KATRIN BENNHOLD, February 12, 2006 restricted access, "Hopeful Signs Appear in Solving a Post-Soviet Impasse", By C. J. CHIVERS, February 2, 2006 restricted access, "Attacks in Caucasus Bring New Tide of Refugees", April 7, 1993 restricted access Front page stories, New York Times. Conflict history: Azerbaijan, conflict history: Armenia, and conflict history: Nagorno-Karabakh (Azerbaijan).

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Notes Fred Bauder 15:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

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Edit warring

1) Numerous parties to this dispute have engaged in edit warring including, but not limited to, AdilBaguiov, Aivazovsky, Artaxiad, Eupator, Grandmaster, Elsanaturk, Azerbaijani, Mardavich, Atabek, Fadix, Dacy69, TigranTheGreat, Vartanm, and ROOB323.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Please check my edit history.

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Personal attacks by AdilBaguiov

1) AdilBaguiov has made personal attacks.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 02:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Personal attacks by Fadix

1) Fadix has made personal attacks.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 02:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Personal attacks by Fedayee

1) Fedayee has made personal attacks.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 02:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Personal attacks by ROOB323

1) ROOB323 has made personal attacks.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 02:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Personal attacks by Eupator

1) Eupator has made personal attacks.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 02:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Checkuser Tabib

There are other edits and a number of accounts created from the ip that Tabib used and they are from Azerbaijan; however the edits by the other accounts are childish, not concerning the issues Tabib was concerned with. So essentially, no evidence of sockpuppeting by Tabib was found.

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Results of checkuser requested by Fadix Fred Bauder 19:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

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Checkuser Request for User:ROOB323, User:Vartanm, and User:Aivazovsky by User:Atabek

The patterns of some of these users' edits are astonishingly similar. For example, User:Aivazovsky at [[2]] says:

I find it difficult to deal with User:Dacy69, User:Atabek and especially User:AdilBaguirov.

and at about the same day, User:ROOB323 wrote at [[3]]:

It is very difficult to deal with this two users User:Atabek and User:AdilBaguirov

Further User:Aivazovsky writes at [[4]]:

I can discuss issues with Azeri users such as User:Grandmaster and come to eventual compromises

and then comes from User:ROOB323 at [[5]]:

Although there were some conflicts with User:Grandmaster, but eventually we were able to come a compromise

Also, User:Vartanm and User:ROOB323, as it can be clearly seen here [[6]] are engaged in coordinated edit warring at Monte Melkonian

Thanks.

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If you're attempting to prove that User:ROOB323 and I are sockpuppets, then good luck. According to his profile ROOB323 lives in California. I live in Ohio. We most likely have completely different IPs. So we happen to agree on Azeri users, that doesn't prove anything. -- Aivazovsky 01:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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loooooooooooooooool oh my god, WOW!!!!!!!!!! This is the funniest thign I ever heard. WOW Atabek, I really can't control my self laughing, it is just so hilarious that all your other tactics did not work out and you came out with something like this looool. I can't believe it. What can I say, nice one looool go ahead and prove it. ROOB323 06:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Coordinated edit warring? We simply removed the irrelevant sources added by you. None of the sources you provided contained the information that you were trying to add to the article. Three of them didn't even mention Monte Melkonian.Vartanm 17:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser Request for User:Batabat

I ask that the administrators investigate User:Batabat. In this user's short tenure on Wikipedia, he has defended Adil's behavior of User:Khoikhoi's talk page [7] and he created a user page that only consisted of the following text (also see here for evidence: [8]):

“ Greetings from Batabat! It is a miraculous place on the border between northern Naxchivan and Zangezur, that is today called Republic of Armenia. Paradise!!! No wonder Armenians want that place. We don't mind - they continue to want it. ”

It should be noted that the Republic of Armenia has never laid claim to Nakhichevan, the autonomous Azerbaijani exclave seperated from the rest of Azerbaijan by Armenia's Syunik province. This was an obvious attempt to provoke a response from Armenian editors. His clear unconstructive attitude towards the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict is a violation of Wikipedia:Assume good faith. It has been claimed that Batabat is a sockpuppet of User:AdilBaguirov, though this has yet to be proven. -- Aivazovsky 01:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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User:Batabat wasn't proven to be a sockpuppet of anyone, so it's premature to claim him a sockpuppet of User:AdilBaguirov or anyone else. User:Batabat is blocked based on suspicion (not proof) of sockpuppetry and cannot defend himself in this case, so your accusation looks more like a one-man party.

Regarding User:Batabat's comment which you're trying to use as incrimination, any user has a right for his opinion expressed on his own user page, as long as it reflects the truth and does not violate Wiki policies. And it's not quite visible why what User:Batabat said is a violation, given the fact that majority of ordinary Armenians (including yourself at Qazakh page), lay claim on Azerbaijani lands on just about every Wikipedia page. Here is just one example, which should be actually considered as Wikipedia:NPOV violation, at [[9]]:

No, we admit that what is now Republic of Armenia, as well as half of Azerbaijan, has been populated by Armeninians since antiquity, whose percentage decreased only due to Turkoman invasions in 16-18th cc (except in Karabakh and some other areas). And much of the area began to become fully Armenian again after the Genocide and influx from Diaspora. And we fully intend to restore the Armenian population to the rest of these ancestral lands, bit by bit.--TigranTheGreat 14:37, 5 February 2007

I think this kind of hate attitude is really counterproductive in balanced approach to editing. Atabek 06:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Grandmaster has revert warred

1) Grandmaster (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has revert warred.

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Proposed. See the evidence I've compiled here. Picaroon 01:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Artaxiad has revert warred

1) Artaxiad (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (formerly Nareklm (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)) has revert warred.

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Proposed. See the evidence I've compiled here. Picaroon 22:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

AdilBaguirov has revert warred

1) AdilBaguirov (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has revert warred.

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Proposed. See the evidence I've compiled here. Picaroon 22:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Artaxiad blocked

1) Artaxiad has been blocked indefinitely [10]

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Note. Kirill Lokshin 13:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

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Proposed remedies

Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.

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Analysis of evidence

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Karki (Azerbaijan)

Karki (Azerbaijan) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is a town which is part of Azerbaijan, but located within Armenia.

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Kalbajar

Kalbajar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Artsvashen

Artsvashen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Military occupation

Military occupation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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