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		Welcome to my Talk Page
		If we have a difference of opinion, I'm open to discussing it if the issue is meaningful, significant and worth my time. I ignore comments containing hyperbole, profanity, nonsense, attacks, and attitudes/behaviors I personally find offensive; I also ignore ones that I don't think are worth the time to respond. If you do not like this, click here. I have very strong feelings about the importance of notability, policies and guidelines, sources and evidence. Best wishes from Los Angeles,   // Timothy :: talk

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Re: Kraków Uprising

Hi! What is the point of me specifically having to add sources for the Krakow Uprising, as the entire article does not have too many sources. Because where is the source of, for example: the Kościuszko Uprising, the January Uprising, the Gulf War, or even World War II. Because according to your criteria, that without a source, nothing can be added to the list, so 90% of the article should be removed because they don't have sourses. If we accept that a link to the article is enough, so this mean that Kraków Uprising should be readded. Why does the Krakow Uprising have to be sourced, but not WWII - where is the certainty that such a war existed, and Poland take part in? Szturnek (talk) 08:30, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Entries with wikilinks to articles with references verifying reliable sources label the event a war and meets the article list criteria do not need sources in the article.

You are correct on the point there are other entries that need proper sourcing; if proper sourcing cannot be found showing the entry meets the list criteria, the entries should be removed.  // Timothy :: talk  09:15, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Inexplicable

You have in this edit linked WP:ONUS to justify the *addition* of content to an article. Were you confused about whether you were removing text instead? 100.36.106.199 (talk) 12:41, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

A quick look at the article history shows the above is incorrect.[1],[2],[3] The article has been restored to the stable consensus version which existed before the dispute arose.

Gain WP:CONSENSUS per WP:ONUS for any change. For additional information, read WP:BRD. Further questions about Wikipedia guidelines and policies can be answered at WP:TEAHOUSE.  // Timothy :: talk  14:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Have you read WP:ONUS? It refers to the onus for inclusion of disputed material exclusively, ergo it cannot possibly be used as an explanation for inclusion. After you have read it, I will happily accept your apology on this point, and then be willing to consider your (unrelated) suggestion that I am wrong about the history of the page. 100.36.106.199 (talk) 18:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

This is not a subject up for discussion. Per WP:ONUS, "the responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." Further questions can be answered at the WP:TEAHOUSE or if you're feeling particularly foolish you know your way to WP:ANI.  // Timothy :: talk  19:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Let me help you: "the responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." The policy section ONUS is explicitly asymmetric: it puts an onus on those who want to include content only, not on those who want to remove it. As I was not seeking to include disputed content, it cannot possibly be a valid explanation for reverting my edit. Be a decent human being and apologize for your (now thrice repeated) error. 100.36.106.199 (talk) 00:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Astonishing. Too bad WP:Don't be a dick isn’t a thing any more. 100.36.106.199 (talk) 12:01, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Yea, too bad.  // Timothy :: talk  00:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 13, 2024)

File:Bucaram foto.png Abdalá Bucaram Hello, TimothyBlue. The article for improvement of the week is: Abdalá Bucaram Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Natural resource • Religious music Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 25 March 2024 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI •

Why israel?

Just curious Natieboi (talk) 15:04, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Because Israel is fighting the same Russian sponsored terror coalition that Ukraine and the rest of the free world is fighting.  // Timothy :: talk  00:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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The lack of sources for editing the Khatyn Massacre

I am the source, since I am about 90 years old and I lived in those areas at that time. Wikipedia says that anyone can edit - but apparently not the witnesses. You apparently expect the German and Soviet bandits to doccument their genocidal actions and preserve those documents in the public libraries. The only published fact of that kind was Hitler's order to his generals several days before the planned attack, beginning WW2: "Be cruel! Be more cruel than your neighbour in action! I will shoot everyone who utters a word against this order." In the USSR the secrecy was general and overwhelming, so issuing such orders was not needed; the results were obtained by killing those officers who failed to guess properly. You probably want documents for this as well; don't you? When the Russia's President Yeltzin allowed publis access to the Russian documents of the Katyn (not Khatyn) Massacre, the British Government asked him to stop that since some of the facts could be unpleasant for the UK; Nr. Yeltzin complied. Please read books by Wiktor Suvorov , "Aquarium" in the first olace. 142.129.131.22 (talk) 03:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

For information on sourcing guidelines, see WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:CITE. For verification policy, see WP:V, and WP:BURDEN and WP:CONSENSUS for guidelines on editing content.  // Timothy :: talk  04:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

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Restored Incorrect Version

Yeah that's just what I thought, good thing that the edit history of both pages is available for anyone to see

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Turkish coffee

It seems we both may be re-writing the History section at the same time. It would be a pity to duplicate efforts; would you like to collaborate? FYI it's in my sandbox: User:Ttocserp/sandboxTtocserp 01:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, but I should decline; you seem to be developing a well sourced history section which will improve the article. I requested page protection to deal with the IP issues and will continue to watch the page for problems. My main concern is nationalist editing by IPs/new accounts.

Greetings and well wishes from Los Angeles,  // Timothy :: talk  21:28, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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Could you please articulate within the ANI thread you started, the reasons why you believe my recent statements to another editor amounted to a personal attack?

Another editor has questioned your assessment, and I think it would assist in resolving the thread if you were to provide a response to their question Jack4576 (talk) 09:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

The diffs speak for themselves, experienced editors do not need any additional explanation.  // Timothy :: talk  10:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Might I suggest you have fallen into the trap of the ‘no true experienced editor’ fallacy Jack4576 (talk) 11:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I’m an experienced editor, and the other commenter I referred to is an experienced editor; neither of us view it as a personal attack. The diffs do not speak for themselves. They merely display the polite and appropriate way I tend to go about speaking uncomfortable truths about systemic racism. Jack4576 (talk) 11:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

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Re: Kraków Uprising 2

1. If we consider that uprisings count as war, then all of them. If not, why is the November Uprising included on the list?
2. Yes - I think it meets WP:LISTCRITERIA.
2.1 WP:V is of course fulfilled - I provided so many verifiable sources that I don't know how you still insist that this uprising is unverifiable. Szturnek_¿? 16:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Also this uprising is support of entry - this isn't a "peacekeeping operations (such as UNPROFOR, UNTAES or UNMOP), humanitarian missions or training missions supported by the Polish Armed Forces." so it can be mentionen in list. Szturnek_¿? 16:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

1. Is the rule, that you have to reply on your own talk page, a written rule of the en wiki, or your own? If this is just your rule, then sorry, but I won't follow it because I'm too used to the rules from the pl wiki.

2. Becose?

3. And why you deleting my comments? Do you love deleting everything so much that you even delete dissenting comments? xDSzturnek_¿? 17:08, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

1. Prove me, that I can reply to your's comment only on my disscusion page. Show me the rule. If this rule isn't write - I won't be follow. And don't delete my comments (even if the rule about replies is real) because you spoil the whole point of the discussion.

2. Which criteria exactly do you have on the mind? Verifiability - all of them. Justify that the event was significant - sources 5 to 9. Something another - just write it. Szturnek_¿? 17:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

1. Give me sourse that this rule is real.

2. Should I link to a source that says "Yes, the Krakow Uprising meets the rules for creating lists on English Wikipedia"? If so, let's throw out all the lists on the entire Wikipedia, because none of them meets this rule. Write directly, because I no longer understand which rule you mean.

3. Why do you think that none of these sources meet your assumptions?

4. If you had asked me in the beginning and not deleted my comments, it is possible that we would be discussing this on my talk page now. But you've taken such a hard line, so until you don't give me a link that says "users must reply to comments on their own talk page", I'll be stil replying on yours. Szturnek_¿? 18:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)