User talk:Kranar drogin

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Historic district

Thanks for fixing up my user page. : ) And you're right about the importance too, I tend to leave that to others on articles I create though. IvoShandor 16:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• A multi tiered comment.

• On Illinois, the thought had crossed my mind. After I get Rock Springs Massacre up to FA I am going to take a short break from such intense work. But I will volunteer my services to work on History of Illinois, the main article (which I have on my list of articles to work on), and the summary section for the article on the state. I will also help with general formatting, clean up, copy editing etc. I have been bouncing around an idea for a page, set a bit up in my user space, concerning the History of the Latter Day Saint Movement in Illinois, but I haven't done the necessary research to compose it yet, a fairly important chapter in state history, needs work. There is but a short section in the main LDS history article (History of the Latter Day Saint movement). Either way, state history needs work, important articles such as the Springfield Race riot and Haymarket Riot aren't really all that great, and could use some improving. All of these articles will likely be linked to from Illinois or the history article, so they should be well done too, especially if Illinois is going for FA. I won't nominate Rock Springs for a bit yet. The article still needs a bit of work and such and then the red links need to be filled, and hopefully destubbed, to at least start class, as do some of the blue links. Whew. I'll be dead after that for a bit, but we can dive in full steam soon.

• On another note, thanks for dropping Doomsday some of my reviews I need, I appreciate it. If you know anyone who is any good at copy editing, the Rock Springs Massacre article is in need of ongoing copy editing, I say ongoing because there will be a few paragraphs added still. IvoShandor 18:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• Basically all that's left with the Rock Springs article is copy editing, so I shall be free of it minus any concerns raised at FAC. If you haven't read it yet I highly recommend it, as it is an interesting a largely unknown chapter of American history. There has not been too much historical research done into the topic. IvoShandor 12:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Black Hawk War

Please include a citation for something so out there for that "Pop Culture" section on the Black Hawk War. Otherwise it will have to be removed. Thanks.--Kranar drogin 10:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

It's a song on a well-known album. It's listed on the album's page. What further citation is needed?

Round barn

Found this one today hunting for Nisbet Homestead Farm (which I didn't find). IvoShandor 07:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

One of my future projects, the article needs expansion and I have plenty of sources, so when I get around to it, the page will need more photos. What's there isn't bad and has undergone peer review, some work will bring it to GA, it's an article that wouldn't be too tough to get featured methinks.

You're in Byron right? Ogle County, none of the round barns there are listed on the Register but a ton in Stephenson County are. Not that this should discourage you from shooting them. I went to Chicago for a concert in March and took some of the State Routes there until I hooked up with I-90 and I saw some amazing specimens of round barns in DeKalb, Kane and Cook Counties, the Cook County one was awesome because it was basically in the middle of Arlington Heights, the Wheeler-Magnus Round Barn, it's set right on the edge of a commercial park. Pretty neat. So I am certain there are some good round barns in Ogle and I know some in Winnebago County too. But to be completely honest I am a heartbeat away from taking a ten hour drive next month just to see this.

Sorry, to be so long winded here. On another note I went on a tour of the Ellwood House today, if you haven't been you must go, it's amazing, no interior photography allowed though, really too bad because the interior is stunning. I did manage to get some cool barbed wire pictures in the home's Visitor Center/Barbed Wire History Museum, as well as some neat shots of some 19th century carriages, such as the phaeton, which I will soon add to the article. Do you have a Commons account yet? You should get one if you're going to be doing any photography, which I know you've done some, for the Wiki; that's where I ul all my photos. Good to hear from ya as always. IvoShandor 07:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• Ack ack. Archive. : ) IvoShandor 07:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Some sort of weirdo indeed. The guy who owned the barn above (still in use) was outside when I shot it, he thought I was weird, yes, but he didn't shoot at me or anything. If you are on public property, say the shoulder of the road, your fine, you needn't obtain permission to shoot something that anyone can see. : ) IvoShandor 07:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Second Congregational United Church of Christ (Rockford, Illinois)

I hear you, Kranar drogin. I don't intend to leave the article that way, I just got cut short of time when I began creating it. I fully intend to fill out the article with more info, etc. Should've put the "stub" tag in, though. Emerymat 23:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Merging

Hi there. Usually we keep the oldest article. However, the oldest article between the two is, actually, the one with fewer contributions. So, I suggest redirecting Robert (Rob) Watson to Robert K. Watson, no need to delete the article. We can also do a history merge, if so, you would want to tag an article with {{db-histmerge}}, although it is not necessary because the other article will exist as a redirect. Up to you, though. Cheers! -- ReyBrujo 19:37, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Commons

Yeah. I got a bunch of Plano today too, I will be adding them to my commons page, check out all of my galleries (a work in progress as I have a bunch of photos still to be uploaded), see: my galleries. If you want to set up an account on commons it's easy and works a lot like Wikipedia, follow the account creation links here. Any free use images we have should be moved to Commons but I am not sure how to do that I bet Rey Brujo knows... IvoShandor 05:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Anything you upload to Commons will be included in the gallery link at the top over there. Just FYI. : ). IvoShandor 05:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

There is a way to "move" images to Commons, I am not sure what that involves. Any images uploaded to commons can be used in any wikipedia the same way an image uploaded to En:Wikipedia would be. Check it. Like this image I just added to commons. IvoShandor 05:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Twasn't me who created those Lebanon images, Lawton made some I know, such as Mermaid House Hotel but I dunno bouts the others. Either way, coolio, I always forget to add the Illinois images cats to the ones I add to articles over here. Darn it. IvoShandor 05:53, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

(undent)Well so far I have, DeKalb, Sycamore, Esmond, and Sandwich. I think that's it. I would need Somonauk (darn it I went through there yesterday), Waterman, Maple Park, Cortland, Malta, Elva err err, do you have a list of what needs to be done?IvoShandor 20:27, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Basically any of the Illinois cities on my commons gallery for Illinois I currently have pics of, except for Utica, which I only have pics at Starved Rock from. IvoShandor 20:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

DeKalb County, Illinois has a list, I could probably get all of those. IvoShandor 20:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Commons

It is a bit tricky: the GFDL license requests that previous versions of the image be available (similar to the text, that is why every article has a "history" tab). Since you have uploaded it yourself, and the image has no modification, I think you could upload to Commons directly. But, if you want to be sure, use CommonsHelper. Just fill the data, and it will generate the text you need. Then, go to Commons, upload the image (either under the same name or under a different one, depending on your selection at CommonsHelper) and use the text the tool gave as summary for the upload. Finally, remember to tag the image here with {{ncd}} (either {{subst:ncd}} or {{subst:ncd|Image:Newname.ext}} so that the image is tagged for deletion and so that the administrator can indeed check you have uploaded the image at Commons). The image should be deleted from the English Wikipedia later (the current backlog is huge, I think in total there were over 3,000 images that needed to moved). Ah, don't forget to create an account in Commons, there is (still) no universal login, so you need to register in every Wikimedia project you participate. Drop me a line if you have any problem. Cheers! -- ReyBrujo 06:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Jane Addams

Thanks for adding the category for Illinois Universities. I'm still new to the whole process.

Eleos^Prime 03:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I will have to check out your Dragonlance project. Besides being a huge fan, they added a character named Krieger, which is my surname. A dream come true for me. :)

Crystal Lake High Schools

I'm thinking that we get some kind of ban applied to the Crystal Lake South High School and the Crystal Lake Central High School webpages, since there are many alumni being posted who have no reference whatsoever of previous graduation. Elenseel 23:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

• After I finish some other things I'm workign on (with XHTML and XML), I'll be working to further the sites in NW Illinois, and we should definitely kep an eye out for those alumni adds.

IL state parks

Hi Kranar, all of the state parks (red dots) are now on the {{State parks of Illinois map}}. I am OK with different color dots for the others, but am not sure if all the dots will fit on the map. For example, see Grundy County, which already has two parks (William G. Stratton and Gebhard Woods) and will get at least one more (Goose Lake Prairie). How about green dots for the four state forests (all done) and blue dots for the State Recreation Areas for now? Ruhrfisch 02:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

• OK, I will do the state forests next (since there are only four, I will do them all at once). No hurry on the rec areas, this is something I do when I have some time and can just outter on autopilot with dots. Ruhrfisch 03:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Chicago articles

Thanks for the articles. If you feel articles like these are in need of attention use the following template on the talk page and choose yes for attention. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 01:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

{{WikiProject Chicago
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 |importance      = <!--Top/High/Mid/Low/NA-->
 |attention       = <!--yes or remove it-->
 |needs-infobox   = <!--yes or remove it-->
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or

{{WikiProject Chicago |class= |importance= }}

Second city

Hey, have you noticed WP Chicago adding their tag to about 10,000 pages (besides watering down their project to the point of it being ineffective) they seem to be adding the tag arbitrarily to any page that mentions the word Chicago. For instance Ronald Reagan and Vachel Lindsay, both have tenuous connections to the city, work and school. Lindsay didn't even finish school there. I find this tagging disruptive and pointless and probably an abuse of the Satyrbot. I mean come on, Ronald Reagan=Low importance? what the hell? How misleading is that? What should be done here, if anything, any ideas, the project has made it clear that they don't care what other people think I am considering a RfC or the like. IvoShandor 13:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I am going to comment on here so we can keep this message. Personally, if it doesn't involve the Chicagoland area, then it shouldn't be part of their project. I have gotten the same attitude in the past from other members of the group who I really haven't talked to now in some time. They don't care what the rest of the state is doing, nor do they really want to be part of it. Anyways, I think a RfC would be a great idea.--Kranar drogin 21:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure how to approach this. It's annoying at the least but we may have to just live with it, I am not really sure if there is any policy or guideline in this area. IvoShandor 21:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, the way I look at it, is if they really want to work on someone that is from Dixon or Springfield, or where ever, go right ahead. I mean, its not like there isn't enough to do in the Chicagoland as it is, so might as well go beyond there to other parts of the state. I say, just ignore and move on.--Kranar drogin 21:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

You're probably right. Seems a bit disruptive though. IvoShandor 21:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you on that. What really irks me is those banner shells. I hate those since you have to click and it drops them all down instead of the one you want to look at. Oh well, see mine was already edited out even though I stated I was requesting for those other two to be fixed. Oh well, some people have to have it their way or no way. I really don't care. THe Wikipedia isn't something I am going to lose sleep over.--Kranar drogin 04:29, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

New Chicago related articles

Instead of posting to my talk page, you should post new Chicago related articles here. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Locator dots

By the way, have you tried Template:Superimpose for your locator dot. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 00:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I really have not been using that. User:Ruhrfisch has been doing something, not really sure what. But you can see it in the likes of like List of protected areas of Illinois. Almost done stubbing these out finally.--Kranar drogin 00:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

For individual state park articles I use {{Infobox Protected area}} which has a superimposable dot built in - see Wolf Creek State Park for an example. You can also specify the map used in the Infobox: in the USA either a national or state map works. For the {{State parks of Illinois map}} it is a little more complicated - one dot for each state park so far. Kranar I will work on the IL forest dots next - have gotten bogged down in a bigger project navbox than I thought originally (see here if curious). Hope this helps, I more use the dots than understand all the ins and outs of the code. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

John Deere

Didn't know if you noticed or not but I made it over to the John Deere House and Shop last weekend, as well as the William Moats Farm (middle of nowhere, dirt road, Texas Chainsaw Massacre style). Been doin' some hard work on some Frank Lloyd Wright stuff, I spent Wednesday in Oak Park. Check it on my user page if you feel like it. How you been? IvoShandor 10:24, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the Kishwaukee area is a relatively new one, I came across some stuff when I expanded the Kishwaukee River article early in my career, it needs cleanup by my current standards. I will make sure to get over there and shoot the area for the article soon. IvoShandor 15:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Top Importance

If you would like to participate in top importance selection please go to the last section at WP:CHIASSESS. There you can see current nominees. The criteria are also on that page. Please vote for up to two. In order to add a new nominee please post it to the talk page. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Commons

Yeah, I bet you'd lose all that work but I bet a bot could do something as far as categorization on Commons. I have done a fair amount of cleanup in Commons:Category:Registered Historic Places in Illinois, though there is a ton to do, mostly because I was sloppy when I first started over there. But eventually each place will have its own category, which is in the broader city category etc. So it wouldn't be a total disaster. And you can probably still categorize the image pages here for images that come from commons. For instance, this image Image:Belvidere Il Pettit Chapel15.jpg is hosted on Commons but it has a page here, if you click on it in the article, even though the image is on Commons. Know what I am saying? IvoShandor 11:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

DeKalb

Roger that. Thanks for the notification. IvoShandor 15:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh yes, and blessed be the watchlist for I noticed all of your changes. : )IvoShandor 15:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Image question

Hmm... not sure about that. I have seen it happening before, but never really read about it being right or wrong. Not sure where you can ask for that, maybe at the Village pump? -- ReyBrujo 18:48, 3 June 2007 (UTC)