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== Wiki Chevrons with Oak Leaves ==

[[Image:WikiChevronsOakLeaves.png|right]] By the order of the coordinators of the Military history WikiProject, you are hereby awarded the ''WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves'' in recognition of your outstanding work on structural graphics for land based forces worldwide, your contributions to the [[Alpini]] and other regiments, and for all your other military graphics. For the coordinators, [[User:Wandalstouring|Wandalstouring]] 19:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Revision as of 19:03, 21 June 2007

User talk:Noclador/Archive 1 (from December 06 until May 07)

I'd like to thank you for your military organization charts! Axeman89 05:57, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ref section

Yes, that is exactly what I mean. Whenever you wish to add a reference, the easy way is to type <ref>http://www.ThisIsMyReference.com/whatever.htm</ref>

The second part of the trick is adding a new section near the bottom of the article ("See also" is normally placed after the ref. section):

==References== {{reflist}}

That's it really. If you wish to quote books, see e.g. an example at Isted Lion for how I normally do it. And thanks for fixing the talk page :) Valentinian T / C 21:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PS. Please don't misunderstand me, but please make sure that you stay clear of violating WP:3RR just in case things get ugly on that page. I'd personally never do more than 2 reverts to a page a day, and I wouldn't do more than 1 a day either if I can in any way avoid it. You are a valuable contributor, and I'd hate to see you blocked for edit warring. Regards. Valentinian T / C 21:15, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks for the update. And if you need proofreading of geographical names, I'll do my best to be of assistance. Valentinian T / C 21:51, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and btw, I noticed a typo on Image:Danish Army.png. There is one E too many in the Electronic Warfare Coy. (Fredericia, third column). Valentinian T / C 21:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your incident topic got archived without anyone replying to what you had addressed, I have since brought it back from the graveyard so hopefully someone else can take a look about what we are talking about. MrMacMan Talk 20:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What I've been trying to do

Well as you have noticed Gon4z is back, but I've started to call him on the changes he keeps making. If you read over Template talk:Infobox National Military Albania you can see what I'm taking about -- if he is going to revert stuff back I want to know why and what sources he is using to backup the changes. I've also asked him User_talk:Gon4z#Military_of_Albania about his changes to that article. I feel that this back and forth reversion isn't getting us to some final consensus. I feel that putting the facts and sources out there on record and calling him on the edits he is making is the only way to show that we are using more up to date information and from more reliable sources too. I mean if this really needs to go to some further body (arbitration, etc) we should have our case for our sources laid out. The print sources, while much more reliable and much more up to date are very hard to check because they are not online and require subscriptions to access. I mean he somehow tried to justify his edit that the military budget was '$849 million' from website that talks about Ponzi schemes... but that's not even the problem -- the number he took from the website was referring to the budget of the Philippines! I mean half of the page talks about albania, the other half about the Philippines... and even then the number was from 2003 and from an AP article I can't even find online anywhere else. I feel that we should ask questions and how rational for making the reverts and when he realizes that we are using actual publications that do this professionally and he is using websites that are significantly older, he has to understand. MrMacMan Talk 09:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Alpini Regiment

So... there's a 16 Alpini Regiment and a 18 Alpini Regiment -- so there was no 17th regiment? hehe. Just wondering. BTW, your contributions are really amazing. Great work. MrMacMan Talk 02:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Polish Army

Hi! You are asking for help in translating and help in structures Polish Land Forces. Nowadays on Polish Wiki we don't have it like it but - I promise, when I find some time I do it for Polish Wikipedia and for you. Best regards Joymaster —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.190.7.243 (talk) 15:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Welcome!

re:Greetings

  • 1. I proposed myself the article because there are no more users very much interested in it. Let me ask you a question, what's the point for me to do this eforts to edit and improve this article, if this article remains forever a B-class? However, I didn't read very carefully the GA criterias and I didn't know that if you are major contributor you are not allowed to propose the article.
  • 2. Regarding the Wikichevrons, you truelly deserve them.
  • 3. Regarding the tanks, yes I'm sure that officially there are aprox. 1400 in service (1350 TR-85s and 30 T-72s), also you can see the List of equipment of the Romanian Land Forces which is incomplete at the moment, but there are some good details about the inventory. Please note that France operates 1000 tanks (380 Leclercs and 614 AMX-30B2s), Italy 320, I'm not sure about the German number of tanks, but together, I'm pretty sure that these 3 countries are operating more than 1400 tanks.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask; oh, and sorry for the delay. Best, --Eurocopter tigre 09:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • 1.If you are correct about the tanks inventory of German, French and Italian armies, then somebody should update their articles.
  • 2.From those 1400 tanks I don't know how many are currently operational (maybe 1000, maybe 500, or probably only the TR-85M1s - but I couldn't find any source saying that). I wouldn't really trust the IISS - for example, IISS does not list any TR-85s (basic variant) in service and I'm pretty sure that there were produced 1300+ of them (380 being modernized to M1). However, maybe I will write near the 1400 number "(IISS list 1258 in service)". You should know that IISS numbers aren't trusted in many army-related articles (ex:Russian Air Force).
  • 3.Regarding GAs, I can help you with proposing some of those "20 big articles" heavily edited by you.

Best, --Eurocopter tigre 11:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Polish divisions - Army structure

Hi. I'm sorry about this mistake. Reason of this deletion: the "ek" (like "db" in en. wikipedia) template was put on those pages by Joymaster, something like "{db|already answered, in progress}". And this user doesn't give any reason before to don't trust him, has more than 30k edits and is an expert in military. Anyway, I'll restore those discussion pages. Regards pl:Wikipedysta:Lajsikonik —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.205.45.175 (talk) 10:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I may recommend Szczepan1990 for make Polish translation of graphics, he is experienced and very helpful user, and also an admin on Commons: Commons:User:Szczepan1990. For fast contact, available on #wikipedia-pl on IRC. Regards Lajsikonik 13:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I guess that what Lajsikonik really had in mind was that I was capable of preparing graphics - I am no expert in army matters. However, I forwarded your request to a flesh-and-bone specialist, who should contant you shortly. Regards. Szczepan talk 15:40, 15 maja 2007 (CEST)

German army

Hi, I wanted to note, that on the graphs there are actually some parts of German army missing. For example, in the article about German army there is Mechanized Brigade 30 of the 10th Armoured Division listed. It is not in the graphs though. And some other units are also missing, therefore German army seems surprisingly small on the graphs, while actually its largest in Europe (excluding Turkey and Russia). Please, correct it. And thank you for you graphs, I really appreciate them! Pirveli 19:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But according to this graph German army is in fact smaller, than Spanish one, which is 80+ thousand. Is that really the case, even after this reorganization?:). Thank you, Pirveli 01:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I see now, thank you for information. What if you put approximate number of men in the battalion or regiment (depending on which of them is the basic unit of the specific army) on the graphs? It would really help to understand by the graph, what the specific army really is. Pirveli 04:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alpini

Noclador, I'm not really sure about the icons size. Should they be 25(main units) and 20(regiments) px or 20 and 15px. The 15px simply looks too small. I'd like to hear your opinion on this. Cheers, --Eurocopter tigre 19:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Noclador, which are those 20 articles heavily edited by you which deserve to be GAs? I can help nominalizing them. Also, please consider adding more references to articles you currently edit (Italian Army, Alpini). For example, if you want the Italian Army to become a GA, it needs much more text (maybe narrative) and references. I've just been involved in a horible discussion regarding referencing and it seems that if an article is proposed for GA, it needs to have one reference per paragraph (I don't agree with that, but otherwise the proposed article won't pass). Regards, Eurocopter tigre 19:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good, I'm going to help you with the Alpini Project, but I'm not going to be a major editor of it (I can't propose the article for FA in the future if I'm a major editor and I want to make sure that I'm the one proposing it), I'll also try to do only 3-4 edits a week (but big ones). Best, Eurocopter tigre 08:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you consider any of my edits to Alpini bad or useless for the article please fell free to revert it. It's your work and I don't want to disturb you. Also, when you have some time, could you please update the Romanian Land Forces structure graphic? Cheers, Eurocopter tigre 18:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Romanian Land Forces structural graphic

Regarding the RoLF graphic:

  • 1st Army Corps - 1. those two MP btns. doesn't exist; 2. the CIMIC btn is actually the 1st CIMIC btn; 3.the Air Defense rgt is actually the 1st Air Defense brigade "General Nicolae Dăscălescu" - located near Bucharest (belonging to the Romanian Air Force, but you can leave it there);
  • 4th Army Corps - 1. I've never heard of those MP, engineer and recon. btns; 2.the Air Defense rgt is actually the 11th Air Defense regiment "Horea" - located near Braşov (also belonging to the Air Force, but you can leave it);

Cheers, Eurocopter tigre 20:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Noclador, when you are back, please update the RoLF graphic as follows:
  • General HQs section has been updated
  • 34th and 282nd brigades had been updated
  • 6th brigade was disbanded (please note 53 AAA rgt as part of the 1st army and 50th AAA rgt. as part of the 4th Army)
  • 528th recon and 60th para. - part of the 1st army

Cheers, Eurocopter tigre 17:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Romanian Land Forces Structure
Hi Noclador. Firstly, I want to congratulate you on all those graphics you made - I am sure it must take a lot of time doing them :) Secondly, just a small addition, I think it would be much easier for you to see where changes have taken place with respect to the RoLF, if you just check out the pages for the 1st Army and 4th Army (as a few new battalions have been added to the 4th army, not just the 1st). To help you, in case you get lost, i have attempted to make a rough-draft based on your own graphs. So now all, you have to do is make those changes onto the original. Best. Dapiks 19:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just a small thing: ine the 2nd Inf. Brg, the 166th btn is actually the 116th btn. Thanks, Eurocopter tigre 12:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1 Batalion Strzelców Podhalańskich im. gen. bryg. Józefa Kustronia

Hallo, habe Deine Anfrage bezüglich polnischer Gebirgsjäger-Einheit "Podhale Schützen" gelesen. Da mein Deutsch besser sei als Englisch deswegen schreibe ich Dir auf deutsch :). Das erste batalion gehört zu der 21 Podhale Brigade (Stützpunkt Rzeszów in Süd-Polen - Podkarpacie Region). Den Wappen des Batallions findest Du [1] hier. Stützpunkt des Batallions ist Rzeszów. Das Batallion gehörte zwischen 1920 und 1939 der 21 polnischen Infantrie Division (21 Dywizja Strzelców Podhalańskich). In Frankreich 1940 wurde eine Brigade (Strzelców Podhalańskich) gegründet, die ana der Schlacht bei Narvik (Norwegen) teilnahm. Brigade wurde dann von Narvik nach Brest (Frankreich) verlegt und ging verloren (zerstreut) während der Frankreich-Kapitulation. Die Reste der Brigade wurden nach Schottland verlegt und als 1 Batalion Strzelców Podhalańskich der "1 Polnischen Panzer Division" in Großbritanien zugeordnet (als motorisierte infanterie). Das batallion nahm mit der Division an der Kämpfen in der Normandie, in Belgien und Holland teil und besetzte im mai 1945 Wilhelmshaven. Die Einheiten die in Polen den Beinamen "Podhalański bzw. Podhalańska" tragen dürfen zur Gala-Uniformen besondere Mantel und Kopbedeckung tragen (anbindung an die Podhale Region). Die Einheit ist heutzutage trotz ihres gebirgigen Namens jedoch als "motorisierte infantrie" einzusehen. Ich hoffe, daß ich dir ein wenig helfen konnte. Gruß 80.171.89.203 18:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alpini 2

Ho ritrovato il materiale che cercavo: si tratta di immagini degli stemmi dei reparti che ti interessano. Sono ancora nella prima versione, cioè immagini jpeg da circa 2000x3200 pixel e con i colori sbiaditi, ma possono essere ritagliati e portati allo standard degli altri. Vorrei spedirteli per e-mail per valutarli; poi decidiamo cosa farne. A che indirizzo posso mandarli? Ciao MassimoPalmieri 19:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC) (Massimop di Commons)[reply]

Orbat Graphics

Hi,

Great work on the Orbat Graphics. May I enquire as to what program you are using ?

220.238.79.77 11:32, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just an old version of Photshop. noclador 20:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gon4z

Hi! I'd like to thank you and I will let you know if he goes on doing it. May I ask you something? When an article is vandalizing and you revert it three times in 24 hours, are you gonna be blocked? If yes, what's the best you can do? Leave it vandalized? Thank you! - Sthenel 07:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, he is unutterable. Some times, his edits are not reverted for hours and I have to do it by myself 3 or 4 times a day. Anyway - Sthenel 17:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very good work! I read it and I think that you mentioned almost everything so I don't have to add anything else. Unless your request is accepted, then I too could write something about him. - Sthenel 09:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RoAF

Thanks, it looks awsome, as do all your contributions. Cheers. Dapiks 16:16, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crap, I just messed up your edits in the Romanian Land Forces. I also did some improvements, so please have a look and put your edits back if necessary. Sorry! Eurocopter tigre 12:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and thanks a lot for the barnstar!! Eurocopter tigre 13:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Any thoughts regarding the best format for the RoLF structure?? Should it remain like is it now, or should it be changed? Victor12 proposed the next format:

1st Territorial Army Corps "General Ioan Culcer" - HQ Bucharest

Best regards, Eurocopter tigre 19:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Subject of Gonz4

Thank you Noclador for your message. Yes I have noticed Gonz4's relentless drive to change articles without providing a shred of proof to support it, lol to be honest I got sick of undoing much of his work... I adopted the "give the baby what it wants.." outlook. Never the less any insults he has made to me have not damaged me emotionally, I found ignoring him very effective. If indeed he continues his work of fabricating articles and personal attacks on any member of Wikipedia, you have my full support to contact the administrator and allow them to deal with Gonz4. Once again thank you and I hope to hear from you again. :) Regards: User:Bluewings17:54,31 May 2007 (UTC)

Just a question, do the Alpinis have an own motto? How about a nickname?Eurocopter tigre 17:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


About your report for Gon4z

Yeah, he's been writing a lot of unsourced stuff. In the Serbian Air Force article he writes a lot of biased and false things, and whenever I try to rewrite facts with actual sources, or even just spelling corrections (he doesn't type with very good english) he would always revert it. It's good that you noticed his troubles. Thanks. I'll read the report you made more after this Zastavafan76 21:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Noclador for sending me the report you have made concerning Gonz4, Yes Zastavafan76 basically told you everything I needed to say as well..... geez Gonz4 wouldn't even let me delete a broken link with the very same working one right under it... He clearly has a problem and I don't think he is fit to continue his "contributions" here until he realizes how Wikipedia works. my best regards: Bluewings 6:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

WOW. I really learned something bout this guy. Added on to your report for the admins. Zastavafan76 01:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Noclador as you have kindly asked, I have sent Admin the following message "I have also noticed Gonz4's inappropriate actions here on Wikipedia, he does not source his claims and worse speaks of heavily biased subjects on very sensitive matters which cause offense to others. It is clear that Gonz4 is not mature enough to follow the rules of Wikipedia. I leave you to ponder and deal with this matter as best as you see fit I trust your judgment will be more than fair. Regards Bluewings 22:16 1, June 2007 (UTC)" I hope this problem will be solved soon and we may all have some peace and move on, I hope we will see a productive environment here friend - my best wishes (drop by if you ever get bored :) ) Bluewings 22:28, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alpini

Another question; where does the COMALP has its HQs?? Eurocopter tigre 13:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RoLF Graphic

Just a question: are you interested in making a graphic for the Russian Ground Forces? --Eurocopter tigre 11:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you'll find some info in the Russian Ground Forces main article, and in the military districts articles. Also, Buckshot06 is a truelly expert on the subject, but, unfortunately, he is away studying in France and all his notes are left home. Have a look at the main article and military districts articles and see if those infos are enough. Best, --Eurocopter tigre 19:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good, there are also info available for the 201st Motor Rifle Division, 19th Motor Rifle Division, 5th Guards Tank Division, 42nd Motor Rifle Division and 74th Motorized Brigade (Russia). Best, Eurocopter tigre 09:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Missing Swiss Army Battalions

Well, first of all, I'd like to commend you on the great job doing all these charts. Are you doing them manually or have you made some software you help you?

I have seen that you left the reserve militia battalions out of the chart. Was that done on purpose? In this case, the Bat. de Sappeurs Chars 2 of the 2nd Brigade should be removed, as it's a reserve unit nowadays.

I've also noticed you left out two active militia battalions of the 2nd Infantry Brigade: the Inf Bat 13 and Inf Bat 19. Don't forget to add them, as the 2nd Brigade is not THAT toothless. ;) Russoswiss 00:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that our army's homepage is by far not the clearest one. Leaving each unit with the task of making its own webpage and having no central army web master does not help it. The fact that we also have a whole three languages to make pages in doesn't help keep a good informative page, either. Thanks for the extremely fast update! And big kudos for doing something that quite a few Army commands should have done a long way ago.
Also, from your responce on my page, I sense that there is a bit of confusion with our militia. The Swiss army is quasi-entirely made of militia. Professionals are used to staff only instruction and various command posts, and also the DRA 10 (the only professional combat unit). The difference between an active militia and a reserve militia unit is that in active batallions and companies, troops carry out yearly Rehearsal Courses and new soldiers are assigned to the unit after one of the training seasons (three in a year). In a reserve unit, only officers are assigned and carry out yearly Command exercises, new soldiers are not assigned after training seasons.Russoswiss 12:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As of the Swiss Air Squadrons, there are bits of information here and there. This page lists various unit websites of the FOAP av 31, including those four Combat Squadrons (8,11,17,19) and the helicopter transport squadron 6. This page lists various squadron insignia, but doesn't give any information what so ever on the units themselves (except for the operated aircraft, and even then it's wrong since the 8th squadron moved on to Hornets). No idea whether you already had those, but tossing you the links just in case. I'll try to dig further into this mess once my exams are over, which will be end of June, and will try to sort out which squadrons operate what and which squadrons still *exist* to begin with. Russoswiss 15:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Montenegro

On a little bit of an unrelated note to my above spam, I noticed that you wanted to also make an orbat of the Montenegrin Army. Their defence ministry's homepage has all the orbats already, but in Serbian. I am not a native speaker of the language, but I can always translate these if you have nobody else around. *pokes WikiSerbs* Russoswiss 10:44, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, after checking the talk page, you do need the information. I'll translate and where do I toss the translated orbats to? Russoswiss 10:58, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No problems at all, glad I could help (a Russo-Swiss translating Montenegrin OrBats, glory to the internets that are made of tubes!) Let's hope some native stumbles upon my translation and corrects anything I might have missed =) Also, I did not include them in the earlier translations, but now thought why the hell not? The Honourary Battalion consists of the HQ Command, the Honourary Company and the Army Orchestra. The MP Company comprises an Administrative Platoon, two MP Platoons and one Traffic Section/Squad. I won't bother finding what VOD VP is, 'cause the page says nothing and I don't speak Serbian well enough to begin digging their side of Goggle. Russoswiss 19:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Islam in Kosovo

Ok, that's fair, thanks for the message. I started the page and I'd like it not to degenerate into an obnoxious edit war, but lets work together to make it better.--Thomas.macmillan 00:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Russian Ground Forces

Of course they are not complete. The logistic and signal units are missing. Uh, we will have to work a lot on this! --Eurocopter tigre 12:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan Army

The Pakistan Army page you refer to be copied is not correct.

Its that site which copied the wikipedia and not the other way around.

I know this because I am friends with the Admin of that site.

Peace

Mercenary2k 01:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Hellenic Army

Hello, I have noticed your excellent work in creating graphics of the structure of Armies around the world. Could you please see if you can do something about the Hellenic Army? I think that it would be a n interesting addition to the article. Have a nice day! Kapnisma 05:04, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Well, I've made some corrections regarding the structure. What I know for sure (from my own expirience) is that each Brigade consists of three fighting battalions plus some support and artillery ones. For example the 71st Airborn Brigate in Santa, Macedonia, in which I served, has three Airborn battalions (595,596,597 A/M ΤΠ), one Airborn Artillery Battalion (116 Μ Α/Μ ΠΒ), one Light Air Defence Battery (ΠΕ Α/Α ΠΒ), one Airborne Engineer Company (ΛΜΧ), one Support Battalion (TYΠ), one Signal Company (ΛΔΒ) and one HQ Company (ΛΔ).

Each Mechanized Infantry Brigate has one Armoured Battalion (EMA), two Mechanized Infantry Battalions (M/K TΠ), one Self Propelled Artillery Battalion (Μ Α/Κ ΠΒ), one Engineer Battalion, one Logistics Battalion, one HQ Company, one Air Defence Battery, and one Anti-Tank Company (ΛΑΤ), same goes for the Armoured Brigate, but it has two Armoured Battalions and one Mechanized Infantry Battalion. I will try to find more infos. Have a nice day.

Kapnisma 14:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks for your quick response! I've learned the structure of 2 Armoured Brigates, the XXIII and XXIV, but I wouldn't like to bother you constantly, so if I gather the infos you asked I will contact you. Again, thank you for your concern and instand reply! Kapnisma 11:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done! XXIII TΘΤ, ΧΧV ΤΘΤ Kapnisma 12:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The 3rd and 4th Armored Cavalry Battalions of the XII Mechanized Infantry Division and the 8th Armored Cavalry Battalion of the VIII Infantry Division are organised in three armored reconnaissance squadrons (8 M-113,6 M901 ITV, 2 M106, 8 M-60A3 each), one tank squadron (14 M-60A3) and one self propelled artillery battery (6 M-109) but I don't know their names Kapnisma 14:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent work, thanks! Kapnisma 23:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Portuguese Army

Hi there! Unfortunately I can't help you as I'm not familiar with the subject. I just pointed out the typo. Keep up the excellent work! Joaopais 22:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gon4z

That account has been blocked, and I have blocked Gon4z's IP for a week so he/she can not create any more accounts. Prodego talk 18:29, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Peruvian Army

Perhaps this Link could help you: http://www.saorbats.com.ar/Peruvian%20Army%20ORBAT.htm

This page (www.saorbats.com.ar) features Orbats of different Latin American Armed Forces.

Wiki Chevrons with Oak Leaves

By the order of the coordinators of the Military history WikiProject, you are hereby awarded the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves in recognition of your outstanding work on structural graphics for land based forces worldwide, your contributions to the Alpini and other regiments, and for all your other military graphics. For the coordinators, Wandalstouring 19:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]