Talk:Rednex

There are quite a lot of links in the article that reference the article itself(!). If no-one objects, I'll remove them. --Tirolion 14:59, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

See also

   * List of songs with particularly long titles

err, why?

Image deleted

The image that was being used was from google, and was almost certainly a breach of wikipedia image policy (though I am not familiar with said policy). An anonymous user fixed the issue - we should get a new (legal) picture. Erich Blume 08:17, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Brian Reddyb

Stop vandalising this page by removing the contribution of Brian Reddyb to this band. Brian Reddyb 22:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I see your account was just created. Earlier the name "Brian Reddyb" has been added to several articles with unlikely claims such as making a coup in 1968 with Saddam Hussein [1]. There has never been a source to any of these claims. I have added a source here which says 'the band's founders and producers Janne Ericsson, Örjan "Öban" Öberg and Pat Reiniz'. These are the 3 names in the article before you added "Brian Reddyb". I have added a citation needed tag to that name.[2] Claims in Wikipedia articles can be removed if Wikipedia:Verifiability is not satisfied. Please provide a reliable source if you don't want the name to be removed. PrimeHunter 23:52, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes I see you did add a source which states that 'the band's founders and producers Janne Ericsson, Örjan "Öban" Öberg and Pat Reiniz', from an article which was created on the 14th of May which is four days after which some vandal on this site removed Brian Reddyb from the list of founders. That vandal being, Öban a.k.a Örjan Öberg.Quite apparent that the 'source' sourced their information from this site. Myself and Öban had a dispute early on in the Rendex project, the result being that I left. So while I was not involved during the Rednex glory days, I most certainly was there at its inception. Furthermore, that article relates to a supposed ebay sale of the Rednex brand. I relinquished my rights to the brand upon departure, perhaps another reason why I am not referenced. I setup my Wikipedia account to stop vandals removing my contribution. Brian Reddyb 13.30, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Your account timing is interesting. User:Chiefofmsiss has made many strange unsourced edits about Brian Reddyb or name variations. The two most recent were adding Iraqi 1968 coup leader "Briyan al-Reddyb" to Saddam Hussein on 15 June 12.20[3], and adding producer "Brian Reddyb" to Rednex on 15 June 12.21[4]. Your account was created on 15 June 12.29[5], and your only edits are about adding producer "Brian Reddyb" to Rednex.

Wikipedia content should be based on published Wikipedia:Reliable sources. I have reverted your new addition of your name. My edit summary [6] explains why: "revert. The source is an unsourced tvWiki article created today by Brian Reddyb, after a source was requested here. Brian Reddyb gave a false date of the source here". It is not allowed to add private knowledge to Wikipedia without a reliable published source. See Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Verifiability (the first paragraph applies well here). Also see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. PrimeHunter 13:26, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

My account registration timing in relation to the so called Chiefofmsiss edits was merely coincidental. I have noted for some time that the inclusion of my name as one of the founding producers of Rednex was being subject to constant removal. See above comment re Örjan "Öban" Öberg, he being the principal culprit. Also see [7], this being an earlier discussion about people using my name or variations thereof in random articles. Unfortunately based on my association with Rednex and my subsequent career as a cabaret band manager, I managed to develop a cult following, primarily in Sweden, Germany and parts of Ireland. I accept your removal of my TvWiki source, but politely request that you stop vandalising this page. Brian Reddyb 15:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

It is not vandalism to remove unsourced disputed claims from an article. I see you are User:86.42.224.156 [8] who replaced serious content in Dwarf planet with "REDDYB" [9]. That looks more like vandalism. PrimeHunter 00:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I see you now have removed [10] comments about deletion of Brian Reddyb from User talk:Chiefofmsiss and edited Creamer like Chiefofmsiss [11]. No reliable source to Brian Reddyb has been given in Rednex so I have removed the name.[12] PrimeHunter 16:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted your last edit since the claim that the band was originally founded by Janne Ericsson, Örjan "Öban" Öberg, and Pat Reiniz is undisputed; the "according to some sources" qualifier is redundant. What is being disputed here is the contribution of the alleged 'fourth' founder. CounterFX 14:17, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Additionally, I have also submitted a request for comment and a conflict of interest report. Editors interested in contributing to resolving this dispute are encouraged to read the above discussion, and to refer to the deletion discussion for Brian Reddy. Also note that both the Reddyb and Brian Reddyb articles were speedy deleted, the former as "patent nonsense/hoax" and the latter as "completely false/fictitious". Additionally, a complaint on the Wikipedia help desk was made by an individual asserting to be Örjan Öban Öberg, one of the founding producers behind the group, who states that he has "never heard of the claimed producer named Brian Reddyb [and] neither have the others". CounterFX 14:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, the issue of the Brian Reddyb, Reddyb Briyan al-Reddiyb and other variants of my name being used to create fictitious articles was discussed above. As mentioned, I have developed somewhat of a cult following. Re the specific articles Brian Reddyb and Reddyb, I thank you for pointing them out to me, I was unaware of these. Nonetheless, Reddyb is a name of Jewish heritage and there are many of us throughout Europe. Not sure whether those articles were supposed to be representing me or another Brian Reddyb. As for the Örjan Öban Öberg alleged complaint, assuming it is actually from him, I have also discussed that above. I left after irreconcilable differences with this individual and thus he may 'have it in with me' as it were. Finally, I have produced TWO quality references. In fact these references are substantially better than many of the references found throughout this site and are at least on a par with them. Since I was a member of the founding quartet for just a few months into the project, I was surprised to find even such references about me. I rescinded all my rights to the brand after my departure, thus you will not find any reference to me in relation to the proposed sale of the brand on ebay. I will now revert the changes made by yourself and PrimeHunter so that all producers are referenced by the same source. Using separate sources and stating that only 'some sources' mention Brian Reddyb's role in the founding of Rednex seeks to devalue my position as one of the founder's of Rednex, and arouse a level of suspicion regarding my involvement. I belive CounterFX PrimeHunter and Örjan Öban Öberg are conspiring against me and it is possible that you are all indeed the same individual. Brian Reddyb 16:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

2 weeks of full page protection, WP:COI caution

The cited links do check out and include the name Brian Reddyb. That said, revert warring really isn't the way to solve things on Wikipedia. Please see this example of an arbitration case I opened because editors who had a conflict of interest engaged in edit warring over a former member's contribution to a band. Google gives prominent indexing to this site's pages so individuals who have a professional reputation to protect would do well to enter the mentorship program and avoid creating the appearance of impropriety. I hope your situation works out. Durova^Charge! 16:00, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate your open mind on this issue. Brian Reddyb 16:04, 1 July 2007

{{Editprotected}} Whilst I agree that page protection is the best way to go, the article should at least acknowledge the dispute surrounding Brian Reddyb's contribution to the band. The assurance that the cited links "check out" is insufficient; unfortunately, it often happens that even reputable websites copy material indiscriminately from Wikipedia, and this might have been the case with the given sources. In fact, Brian Reddyb himself has earlier referenced a site which stated explicitly that it was a mirror of the Wikipedia article (see [13]). I thus recommend reverting back to the version which gives separate sources for the three- and four-member claims until the dispute is resolved. CounterFX 16:18, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I did reference such a mirror site, and being a relatively new user to the Wikipedia project was unaware of any potential problems. I acknowledged your grievance with that source and happily allowed your revision unobstructed. As for your comment ‘unfortunately, it often happens that even reputable websites copy material indiscriminately from Wikipedia', that argument is weak. The same could be said for any number of potential sources on this site, not least the conflicting one used on the Rednex page (Rednex On Sale For $1.5 Million). I suggest that you argue for a change in the Wikipedia reference policy if you have an issue with it, although that might prove problematic given that every reference on the Rednex page is susceptible to the same claims that you make about the sources I provided. I recommend that the protection remain on this page until someone with an ounce of reason mediates. At the very least such precaution will ensure that the revert war mongering of CounterFX et al is curtailed. Let common sense prevail and put a stop to this ludicrous episode.Brian Reddyb 16:53, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I pointed out the reference to the mirror site in order to demonstrate how easy it is for anyone to be misled with imprecise information, and not to raise any suspicions of your intentions. I am in no way claiming that the Billboard reference is more authoritative than the ones you provided (I haven't carried out any research into the reputability of the respective sites); however, removing it simply because it does not match your side of the argument is clearly a violation of WP:NPOV. I am not seeking to devalue your contribution to the band - I have no vested interest in either side of the argument - but I want to prevent something that is suspected as a hoax from propagating. Whilst I support page protection being retained, I still recommend that the disputed fact be acknowledged as so. Once the issue is settled, the extraneous sources may then be removed. CounterFX 17:24, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Editprotected requests are for specific fixes to a protected page (e.g., typo fixes, blatant errors, etc.). I have no idea what the request is here, so I've disabled the tag. Please feel free to re-enable the request with a specific issue. Cheers. --MZMcBride 17:33, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not commenting on the reliability of those sources - merely noting that they do mention the Brian Reddyb name. Brian, would you be willing to undergo a checkuser to clear up suspicions about whether you're related to the hoax activity that's happened at other articles? Durova^Charge! 18:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I was also thinking of contacting Rednex through the email address provided on their official website, but I'm not acquainted with the Wikipedia procedure for such correspondence (i.e. which email address I should request them to reply to for an official record to be maintained). However, Durova's proposal sounds like a better alternative for the time being. CounterFX 18:40, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd be satisfied with a confirmed e-mail from the band. Durova^Charge! 21:56, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Brian was actively posting right up until I suggested checkuser. His last post to another page was date stamped three minutes after my offer, which means he was probably composing to another page while I posted here, and he's been following this talk page quite avidly. In the past when I've issued this type of challenge two types of responses have followed: innocent editors jump at the opportunity to clear their names but those who turn out to fail the eventual checkuser get very cagey and evasive. Several hours have already passed. So I'll handle things this way: 48 hours is more than reasonable under these circumstances. If Brian makes no answer then - to other editors - please provide a list of suspected sockpuppets. I'll indef block all the registered accounts, place substantial blocks on the IP addresses, and add Brian to the site's list of community banned editors per WP:HOAX and WP:DUCK. Then I'll downgrade the page protection to semi- and reports of future problems can go to WP:ANI. Durova^Charge! 22:16, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Brian has to eat, and also has a life, he is not stuck to his computer 24/7 editing wikipedia. Oh and right so, a reasonable entry is made on the Rednex wiki page backed up with two independent citations (recall these are sources sourced like any other on this website), other people subsequently have an issue with this and this warrants potentially attempting to block an entire IP range?? Please do that, if including cited information in an article warrants such bizarre action, go ahead and do it. I will most certainly make contact with other administrators and explain to them how you are undertaking such grotesque abuses of power. Perhaps, other users should be checked for sock puppetry. Either way,I am indifferent,this entire episode is becoming nonsensical surely you must have other things to be doing rather than deliberating over whether or not Brian Reddyb's undeniable (sources verify) input into the Rednex brand deserves a mention in the article. Removing it will only undermine the impartiality and reliability of this site. Kindest Regards, BrianReddyb 11:34, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Now that you have replied, let's take it step by step from here. Are you willing to undergo a checkuser as proposed by Durova? You might first want to read through Help:CheckUser and WP:RFCU to understand what this involves. Please seek to be clear and direct in your response. CounterFX 23:33, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way, the signature in your last post is erroneous in terms of both the username and the timestamp. A small hint: to sign comments, simply type four tildes, like this: ~~~~. CounterFX 23:36, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Response to {{Editprotected}} request

When page protection is applied, it almost always assumes that there is something wrong with the article (NPOV disputes, weasel words, etc.). And because of this, the protected version is always the m:the wrong version. This talk page should be used to discuss the proposed changes and try to come to a consensus. If that effort fails, there are mediation options that are available. --MZMcBride 18:34, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. However, assuming that the Brian Reddyb story is indeed a hoax set up by the editor in question, then it would mean that the Vodafone and AmIAnnoying.com websites picked up their 'misinformation' from this Wikipedia article; thus, I felt that reverting it on the side of caution would be recommendable on grounds of damage control. However, since Brian Reddyb has contested my suggestion, I will wait until the issue itself is resolved. CounterFX 23:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey guys, im new to the wiki world but am a big fan of Rednex and i had looked forward to contributing to their page on wikipedia. Is editing permanently blocked on the page? This issue of producers seems to have caused quite the storm. It is also being talked about now in parts of the media over here! Anyway i hope this will be resolved soon. Rednex rule!! Sanchezsteamer 01:42, 2 July 2007 (UTC)