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please, sign yourself

Hi Molobo, please, sign yourself when you take part in a discussion. This way you will be regarded more seriously by other editors. To sign yourself, please, click the second right bar above a message window. Welcome! --SylwiaS 16:02, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Voting

Please vote: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Anti-Semitism in Poland. --Ttyre 13:47, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Kilka wskazówek

Molobo, jeszcze kilka wskazówek jak korzystać z Wiki. Poniżej wklejam wskazówki, które sama dostałam od Piotra:

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Happy editing! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 15:18, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oprócz tego, kilka wskazówek w skrócie, bo i tak pewnie nie przeczytasz od razu wszystkich powyższych linków. Do głosowania używa się gwiazdki (*), która pojawia się na ekranie jako niebieski kwadracik. Również słowa delete/keep/rename/remove/merge powinny być wyboldowane. Jeśli odpowiadasz na kometarz innej osoby, Twoja odpowiedź powinna być wcięta w stosunku do tekstu powyżej. Używasz do tego dwukropka (:). Czym więcej dwukropków, tym bardziej wcięty tekst. Żeby zobaczyć, jak wygląda Twój tekst przed zapisaniem, kliknij 'show preview'.

Na prywatnych stronach użytkowników (takich jak ta) można używać polskiego, na wszystkich innych, również Polish Wikipedians' Notice Board obowiązuje angielski. Klinknij link w kwadratowym okienku, żeby dostać się do naszej kanciapy.

Jeśli masz jeszcze jakieś pytania, zapraszam. Bardziej skomplikowane pytania kieruj do Piotra. :) --SylwiaS 16:57, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Dzięki --Molobo

Magdenburg rights - please reconsider your last edit

Hello, I would like to point, that the correction you have added "especially new cities founded" recently to Magdeburg rights is not correct historically. Cities never have been founded as they are these days in medieval Europe. Before a city has been established, it always existed as a village. After willage has grown substantially for inter-city trade or a local self goverment was necessary, it was given the mMgenburg city rights and automaticlly received a status of a city. These facts have been preserved in various chronicles, and in many cases these were the first writteen sources the locality was named. So many cities celebrate their foundry date the date they have been mentioned in chronicles. I din't wan't to disregard you, so better fix that yourself . Have a nice day :) DariusMazeika 21:47, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Rommel

I left this message at Cadorna's talk page as well: You two are not helping the article with your frequent POV edits and reverts on the Rommel page. I would suggest that you read WP:NPOV, and please try and play nice. Leithp 11:58, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Please refrain from your current confrontational editing style, and try to improve your spelling and grammar, this is the English Wikipedia after all. GeneralPatton 19:59, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Molbo, the quotes are taken out of context. The Poland section also contains some sneaky stuff that is also not properly in context. It just looks like your trying hard to push some kind of a personal agenda. That’s certainly not NPOV. GeneralPatton 00:33, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Dodalem

Dzieki, dodalem - gdyby ktos Cie atakowal rasistowskimi tekstami, ponownie daj znac.--Witkacy 20:55, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Panie Witkacy, mam tylko jedno pytanie: Czy to, że mówisz o "rasistowskich" tekstach, znaczy że Polacy są jakąś osobną "rasą" w stosunku do innych białych ludzi? Jestem naprawdę ciekaw! --Thorsten1 17:56, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Być może są ludzie którzy tak uważają i na tej podstawie dyskryminują Polaków(warto zastnowić się nad włączeniem tego do artykułu o antypoloniżmie :), zresztą pojęcie rasizm zawiera wiele form dyskryminacji wobec grup etnicznych które rasami nie są.Radzę poczytać coś na temat, może rozszerzysz swoje horyzonty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism Assuming that character and abilities of an individual substantially depend on racial or ethnic stereotypes is race prejudice, and granting or withholding rights or privileges based on such stereotypes is racially discriminatory prejudice. The term racism sometimes is used to mean a strong and persistent bias or inclination towards these attitudes. --Molobo 18:01, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Widocznie artykuł Racism jest trochę zagmatwany - ponieważ wg. tej definicji nie byłoby żadnej różnicy między rasizmem a zwykłą ksenofobią. Dziękuję za tą informację. --Thorsten1 18:58, 4 August 2005 (UTC) When in doubt-change the article.W sumie to już trzeci raz chyba gdy na info że się mylisz pędzisz zmienić artykuł aby przyznał ci rację. :) --Molobo 22:16, 4 August 2005 (UTC) No ale tego nie zmienisz : http://www.imadr.org/pub/web/staven1.html "If racism is understood as a set of beliefs and practices whereby certain ethnic groups are discriminated against in a given society because of their real or imagined racial and/or ethnic characteristics, then the new name of racism at the end of the twentieth century is no longer colonialism, apartheid or nazi ideology but rather xenophobia and social exclusion related to international migrations, the emerging of new kinds of ethnic or racial minorities, and the persistent and in fact growing inequalities between the "haves" and the "have nots" in a globalised economy.

To the extent that "race" is a social construct and "racialisation" a social and political process, certain ethnic groups become "racialised" in the global society and the concept "race" is used extensively by dominant groups and public opinion in general to signify difference, incompatibility, hostility, exclusion, discrimination, rejection of specific collectivities on the basis of their real or imagined (constructed) biological and/or cultural characteristics. Consequently, racism can be directed not only at "racial" groups but at "ethnic" groups as well."

)--Molobo 22:20, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Certainly, you can always try and redefine things until they all mean the same. We social scientists are really good at that... ;) In the 1980s and 1990s, "racism" has been elevated to a key concept to understand any kind of discrimination within the social sciences. However, the fact remains that in common usage the word "racism" is reserved discrimination of people of a different "race", i.e. with distinguishable physical differences from the dominant discriminating party. That is why you will rarely hear the word "racism" in connection with, say, U.S. American resentment against Canadians or the French, German resentment against the Dutch, etc.

I do not believe that you are really using the word "racism" to label what you consider as anti-Polish sentiments because you interpret "race" as a social construct to discriminate against migrant have-nots within a globalised economy. That wouldn't be quite your style. To be perfectly frank, I do not believe you even understand what you are quoting...

I believe the reason is much simpler: "Racism" is simply a much stronger word than xenophobia. People will commiserate much more with anyone who is a victim of the big bad R-word, and not just some banal national stereotyping. The problem is, if I can see through this, most people will, too. Tough luck! --Thorsten1 23:22, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Arbcom

You really leave me with few options but to take your case over to the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration. You seem to not understand some of our main principles such as NPOV policy and editorial consensus. GeneralPatton 01:18, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Wiking

Just cool down a bit, i just combined the existing intro with your section on war crimes GeneralPatton 14:51, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Nie daj sie

Zamotac, w zwiazku z dawnymi sprawami generalek nie przepada za krajem Wislan.--Witkacy 20:18, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Dzieki, nie pierwszy i nie ostatni :)--Witkacy 23:49, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Right wing propaganda

Molobo,

I do not appreciate being accused of advocating right wing propaganda. The edits in question, for the 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend article I shall justify my edits below.
1) Malmedy Massacre. a)The perpertrators of the Malmedy massacre were elements of Kampfgruppe Peiper, the spearhead of the 1.SS-Panzer-Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler. In post war trials held at Dachau, Peiper, along with many other LSSAH personnel and even 6.SS-Panzer-Armee commander Josef Dietrich was broght to trial. 12.SS-Panzer-Division Hitlerjugend was involved in heavy fighting to break through the Elsenborn Ridge and to reach Kampfgruppe Peiper at the time of the Massacre. The Bagunez Crossroads at Malmedy were well out of the operational area of the HJ, and there was a US combat division between them.
b) The malmedy massacre took place in December 1944 during the Battle of the Bulge. In June, when you state the massacre took place, the HJ was based in Normandy, over 200km from Malmedy (in Belgium).
c) HJ had only two panzergrenadier regiments, not three.Have a look at FACTS before you start writing.
2) Meyer's release caused enourmous outrage among the public.

Meyer's release brought neither a positive or a negative reaction. His release had been secured only through the help of a Canadian priest and several of his contemporaries from Normandy, including General Sir George W. E. J. Bobby Erskine, GCB, KBE, DSO, commander of the famous British 7th Armoured Division. See the Warcrimes section of the Kurt Meyer (Panzermeyer) article.

In summation, if you have a problem with the POV in any article i've edited, please don't hesitate to message me. I'll be more than happy to discuss your greivances. Accusing me of spitting Right Wing Propaganda is insulting and unjust, especially considering the more-than-dubious claims you have been advocating. --Ansbachdragoner 00:32, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

"Right Wing Propaganda is insulting and unjust"... I couldn't possibly agree more, especially as Molobo has himself been pushing an extreme right-wing POV on a number of pages about Poland and topics remotely connected with Poland. He is showing a remarkable talent in randomly picking out Google results that appear (to him) to prove his points, without any profound knowledge of the context. This can't go on for much longer. --Thorsten1 00:47, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Slavic differences

I don't have time to prosecute the topic, but, honestly, my belief is that only the Poles could talk seriously about the Mongolian influence on Russian politics. In my experience, the Poles talk about Russians, as anti-Semites talk about Jews. But now to the topic. I don't think that free nomads like Mongols or Huns were particularly inclined to authoritorianism. As the EB 2005 states, the Russian authoritorianism is rooted in the Byzantine Empire, whom the tsars aspired to emulate, and, consequently, in the Roman imperial traditions. Read about Moscow as the Third Rome doctrine for more information. On the other hand, Russia has the most ancient democratic traditions among all Slavic peoples. You may read about them in the articles on Novgorod Republic and Don Cossacks. Without such traditions, the Russian Revolution wouldn't have been possible. --Ghirlandajo

Warcrimes

Molbo, why are you removing mentions of alleged allied war crimes? Do you believe in victors justice or NPOV? And what about the numerous and well documented Red Army war crimes. While we all know Nazis were despicable, however other sides also didn't play it all by the books. Yet you zealously add info about the one side while taking out the info about the other. Nobody is pro Nazi here, we’re just trying to make a fair and NPOV encyclopedia. GeneralPatton 19:26, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

It is Molobo not Molbo.I didn't remove any allegations of war crimes committed by Alied side.I asked for sources in relation to statement about confrontation with SS forces in which it was stated that both sides committed widespread war crimes.I might add that I have yet to see a war crime committed by Allied side that can be compared to Nazi side, so far I known only incidents where violations were made by invidual soldiers(sometimes in shock over German Reich behaviour, like in Dachau incident), not policy of deliberate atrocities aimed at extermination of people defined as subhuman. As to Red Army, so far I have not edited any articles dealing with its behaviour in detail, so the accusation is baseless--Molobo 00:09, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

"I might add that I have yet to see a war crime committed by Allied side that can be compared to Nazi side." Being a Pole, I'm shocked that you never heard of the Katyn massacre. At least, that's what you imply with that statement. I also believe that that the bombings of Dresden or Hiroshima may ring a bell - do they? And just to make my position clear, I suscribe a 100% to what GeneralPatton says: we're just trying to make a NPOV encyclopedia, not supporting the Nazis: I happen to be of Jewish heritage myself. Regarding your requirement for sources on the 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend, it's you who must provide them to support your views when you want to introduce changes to the text that Ansbachdragoner has written, not the other way around. FYI, forcing undiscussed changes is not the way to do things properly around here. Ask yourself how you'd feel if someone drops at Anti-polonism and deletes your work with the same claim that you wield against Ansbachdragoner. I'm positive that your reaction would not be to accept it calmly. Shauri 15:25, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

It's not at all relevant to Rommel (like most of this discussion page), but I'd dispute your assertation that the bombing of Dresden or Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war-crimes. Leithp 15:57, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Neither Dresden nor Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes.Katyn was genocide but not comparable to Nazi war crimes since it didn't have a goal of eradicating whole nation as subhumans.Furthermore Soviets were their own side and the crime happened during their alliance with German Reich. As to disproving any allegation its absurd.Should I find proof that Allies weren't Martians when somebody writes that ? It is the accuser who needs to proof what he claims.--Molobo 18:23, 10 August 2005 (UTC)