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John Carmichael (Scientologist)

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Non-notable Church executive and occasional spokesperson whose claim to fame per the article is losing it and uttering an obscenity which was picked up by one blog but is not otherwise noted or of note. Fails WP:BIO Justallofthem (talk) 22:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I feel this article was written properly and conforms to Wikipedia standards and is notable enough to keep. NotTerryeo (talk) 23:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC) — NotTerryeo (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. --Justallofthem (talk) 16:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep President of a major branch of the organization who seems to have attracted both favorable and unfavorable press. Edward321 (talk) 01:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no evidence he has significance beyond an award granted by the church of which he is an executive. The utterance seems to test the very limits of WP:ONEEVENT. --Dhartung | Talk 04:46, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Person of significance to an organization who has managed to attract attention through his actions. --Laomei (talk) 08:29, 7 June 2008 (UTC) — Laomei (talk • contribs) has made few or no other recent edits outside this topic. --Justallofthem (talk) 16:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Have not had a chance to expand this article yet but the individual is notable and there is a significant amount of information to be added from tens of secondary WP:RS/WP:V sources. Also agree with Edward321 (talk · contribs), President of major branch of an organization. Cirt (talk) 13:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No real claim to notability. Award is from own organisation, no non blog coverage for controversy. Duffbeerforme (talk) 13:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep Notable member of notable organisation who has been quoted several times in major press. --Mcr hxc (talk) 14:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC) — Mcr hxc (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. --Justallofthem (talk) 16:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As the Head of a Major Org, together with the various awards he is notable. Quoted often in news stories, together with the recent controversy, he is def notable. Cirt seems to be adding much to the article Arabik (talk) 14:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC) — Arabik (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep per Laomei and Arabik. Robertissimo (talk) 15:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC) — Robertissimo (talk • contribs) has made few or no other recent edits outside this topic. --Justallofthem (talk) 16:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Well written, sourced and I think he is notable. Nxsty (talk) 15:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC) — Nxsty (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. --Justallofthem (talk) 16:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC) — That is a pure lie, check my contributions. In fact I haven't done a single edit to any scientology-related page, if you don't count the dianetics talk page. Nxsty (talk) 22:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Long term member in a position of authority within a large and powerful religion. Article needs a bit more info on him perhaps but its certainly not something we should delete! 220.231.61.34 (talk) 16:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC) — 220.231.61.34 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. --Justallofthem (talk) 16:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Important regional exec for Scientology, with long term notability. (See refs I've just added to the Talk page to be worked into the article.) AndroidCat (talk) 16:29, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
sighcloser may wish to note.Geni 23:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Head of large Scientology organisation, and is clearly notable.Г^edʃtǁcɭ 01:37, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep - I'll AGF and assume the nominator tried to improve the article before nominating? There is definite notability here, can the article has been cleaned up using VS. DigitalC (talk) 02:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, as per Duffbeerforme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.149.157.241 (talk) 00:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
At the time of this comment, this !vote was the only recorded edit by this IP address. ChaoticReality 00:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I am noting that a large number of keep votes are coming from editors that either do not have a lot of edits outside the topic or have not edited Wikipedia much recently but seemed to have returned to cast a keep on this issue. I am not assuming bad faith as they are certainly entitled to their vote but this is indicative of canvassing, likely off-wiki canvassing; please see the note by Geni above. This activity speaks to the limited interest and limited notability of the subject and I think that deletion is the proper course for this article. --Justallofthem (talk) 16:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added the {{!vote}} template to the top. On a related note, you tagged a few users who are clearly not {{spa}}'s - please remove the tags for those users. Cirt (talk) 19:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Cirt, you have been very hasty in tagging some of the users here as SPAs. It might also be worth the closing admin noting that Justallofthem appears to be quite heavily involved in Scientology related articles with a possible POV towards removing/playing down controversy. ChaoticReality 22:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There are several factors going on here - 1) He is a high-level executive in a very large organization, and has received awards within the organization (Notability ++). 2) He is commonly the spokesperson for the church to the media (Notability ++). 3) He has been the subject of coverage in major news media for his recent controversial actions (Notability ++). ~~4) The coverage of him tends to be about the single controversial event (Notability --)~~. On net, these factors point towards notability. Z00r (talk) 19:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I reject the view his middle manager status, makes him notable. If it did, we'd have to give articles to most regional managers of large coporations, which we don't. An award from his own organization is also pretty insignificant. However, the NY Times wrote a non-trivial article on him, giving truly biographical information about him. He's got coverage for his personal deeds, not just puppetting the party line. --Rob (talk) 20:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Comment''' - I am noting that a large number of keep votes are coming from editors that either do not have a lot of edits outside the topic or have not edited Wikipedia much recently but seemed to have returned to cast a keep on this issue. I am not assuming bad faith as they are certainly entitled to their vote but this is indicative of canvassing, likely off-wiki canvassing; please see the note by [[User:Geni|Geni]] above. This activity speaks to the limited interest and limited notability of the subject and I think that deletion is the proper course for this article. --[[User:Justallofthem|Justallofthem]] ([[User talk:Justallofthem|talk]]) 16:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 :I added the {{tl|!vote}} template to the top. On a related note, you tagged a few users who are clearly not {{tl|spa}}'s - please remove the tags for those users.  [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 19:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
+:I agree with Cirt, you have been very hasty in tagging some of the users here as [[WP:SPA|SPAs]]. It might also be worth the closing admin noting that Justallofthem appears to be quite heavily involved in Scientology related articles with a possible POV towards removing/playing down controversy. <font color="#312AB6">[[User:ChaoticReality|'''''Ch''ao''ti''c''']]</font><font color="#BB1423">[[User_talk:ChaoticReality|'''''R''ea''lit''y''''']]</font> 22:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 *'''Keep'''. There are several factors going on here - 1) He is a high-level executive in a very large organization, and has received awards within the organization (Notability ++). 2) He is commonly the spokesperson for the church to the media (Notability ++). 3) He has been the subject of coverage in major news media for his recent controversial actions (Notability ++). <del>4) The coverage of him tends to be about the single controversial event (Notability --)</del>. On net, these factors point towards notability. [[User:Z00r|Z00r]] ([[User talk:Z00r|talk]]) 19:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''' I reject the view his middle manager status, makes him notable.  If it did, we'd have to give articles to most regional managers of large coporations, which we don't.  An award from his own organization is also pretty insignificant.  However, the NY Times wrote a non-trivial article on him, giving truly biographical information about him.  He's got coverage for his personal deeds, not just puppetting the party line.  --[[User:Thivierr|Rob]] ([[User talk:Thivierr|talk]]) 20:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)