**Okay, but I for my part am still waiting for the editor in question whom I reverted to react. [[User:Bart Versieck|Extremely sexy]] ([[User talk:Bart Versieck#top|talk]]) 23:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
**Okay, but I for my part am still waiting for the editor in question whom I reverted to react. [[User:Bart Versieck|Extremely sexy]] ([[User talk:Bart Versieck#top|talk]]) 23:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
***As far as my two cents are concerned, for the incivility so neatly summed up by xenocidic in his last post in the "Blocked for 24 hours" section, I support a much longer block (as in, the week immediately at the very least). There's absolutely no excuse for that and it's not at all trivial. Cheers, [[User:Canadian Paul|CP]] 00:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
***As far as my two cents are concerned, for the incivility so neatly summed up by xenocidic in his last post in the "Blocked for 24 hours" section, I support a much longer block (as in, the week immediately at the very least). There's absolutely no excuse for that and it's not at all trivial. Cheers, [[User:Canadian Paul|CP]] 00:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
****I was not incivil, just very angry. [[User:Bart Versieck|Extremely sexy]] ([[User talk:Bart Versieck#top|talk]]) 14:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
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Bart, try reading some policies. WP:LEADclearly states "The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article." Seeing as how it went through a good article review that noted that the introduction was good, it should remain there. Also, you have already twice broken your promise not to touch other's talk page edits for any reason, and I have brought it up here with another administrator to discuss the appropriate course of action. Cheers, CP19:14, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You weren't to touch anyone else's edits on talk pages, period. Most other people have more leniency, because they do not have such a long history of disruption. Besides, if I had thought you were certainly in violation, I would have just blocked you instead of bringing it up with other admins first. Cheers, CP19:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Bart, the agreement was you would not edit any person's comment - for any reason. Is having proper capitalization worth your indefinite block being reapplied? –xenocidic (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
a title is another user's creation. you are editing it. you agreed not to edit other's talk page contributions. I ask again, is it worth being indefinitely blocked because of capitalization? on a talk page, capitalization isn't important. –xenocidic (talk) 20:11, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
...and others aren't under the very strict restrictions that you are. if capitalization bugs you that much, ask for it to be fixed as LessHeard vanU suggested. –xenocidic (talk) 20:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Per my comments at my talkpage in response of the above, it is just easier if you didn't. Stay away from anything that looks like it may appear to be in violation of the terms of the unblock, and if you make a mistake and someone thinks that you are in violation - then don't argue with them, and don't do it again. If you still think you weren't doing anything wrong, then contact me and I will review and if I think you were right I will take it up with the other editor on your behalf. As Xenocidic says, "correcting" other people may be permitted for a contributor of good standing - and the best way of you becoming that contributor is to not do it at present. The best way of utilising your copy edit inclinations is to do it in article space, where it is beneficial and permissable - but PLEASE not in talk space. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:32, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're really making me regret standing up for you, and you're doing a great job proving all those people who opposed your unblocking right. Yes it's confusing that he signed his post 4 days after the fact, but in the grand scheme of things, does it really matter? –xenocidic (talk)
Well, of course I was going to be watching your talkpage. If you needed to have changed the time/date you should have asked the editor concerned to clarify it, or asked someone else to place a comment, such as <small> (original comment placed at XX:XX on YYY and later signed as here.) </small>, under it. Please just sit out this block, BV, so you will remember better what it is that you must not do. Try to ensure that there is no "next time" LessHeard vanU (talk) 19:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Make that three, and at least one willing to support a return to the indef block without a very compelling explanation. –xeno (talk) 22:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You have not answered the concerns of 3 editors above, so I have blocked you from editing while you consider your response. You will note that this block is longer than the previous one, and the next one will be longer still. This cycle of "violation/block" will increase until either you stop editing other contributors comments, or you are blocked permanently from the encyclopedia. Had you responded to the above it is possible that there would have been no block, although I cannot guarantee this would have been the case, but since you responded to subsequent comments on your page I have assumed you are unwilling to reply to the concerns raised. It was on this basis that I decided to reblock you. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:51, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Quite frankly, I support the original indefinite block being reapplied without a good explanation for this. This was not a minor typo correction in a header, this was not updating the time on someone's sig - this was a summary removal of someone else's comment putting back someone's comment that they removed themselves. The last two transgressions I could overlook, but this is unacceptable. –xeno (talk) 12:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC) (clarified –xeno (talk) 14:57, 18 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]
I haven't been on Wikipedia for more than a day, so I couldn't respond at all, and moreover, this was only a reversion, since I put something back, which is quite the opposite. Extremely sexy (talk) 14:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The person obviously wanted it removed, and redacted it within 10 minutes before anyone responded to it. You should not have put it back. Since you don't seem to understand why editing other peoples comments is not acceptable, I support a re-application of the 20:49, June 21, 2008 indefinite block. –xeno (talk) 14:51, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I was mistaken above and clarified, nevertheless - you had no right to reinstate it. I also find it fairly disrespectful that you're insulting people who stood up for you and got you unblocked. –xeno (talk) 15:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am not insulting anyone at all, whether they supported me or not, but just looking at the facts: this is a very minor thing indeed plus no vandalism, on the contrary really. Extremely sexy (talk) 15:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The person wanted their comment removed. You had no right to put it back. Telling people to get lost, calling them "blind", saying what someone wrote is daft, calling us foolish, you don't see how that is insulting and uncivil? To be completely frank: I deeply regret making a case to have you unblocked - especially because you feel your most recent transgression was "completely harmless" even though you've broken your promise not to edit others comments for any reason numerous times. –xeno (talk) 15:09, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I repeat that I didn't edit whoever's comment at all, and you were indeed blind, since you accused me of something I didn't do at all, plus I meant that I find this whole debate daft, not you, which is something completely different ("this is just daft" is definitely not the same thing as "you are daft", okay?), and I did not - repeat: "not" - violate any rule at all, moreover, it would be only fair to ask what the editor himself thinks about this: it's just an "edit" in good faith, as you know quite well: you are very much exaggerating things. Extremely sexy (talk) 15:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Look again, please: there were no subsequent comments on my page, since the following headings already existed weeks ago and only this one is new, plus I wasn't online either. Extremely sexy (talk) 15:38, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Well: "LessHeard vanU" should be dealing with this, and he specifically stated that he probably wouldn't have blocked me if I had responded to them, and furthermore he assumed that I was unwilling to answer them since he thought that I had responded to others on my talkpage at that time, which is incorrect, because I wasn't online and the subsequent headings are from weeks ago.
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Wrong: it is forbidden for an administrator involved in the discussion itself to act like you do, especially when stating no "reasoning" at all. Extremely sexy (talk) 16:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You asked for LessHeard vanU to review this block, so there's no need for the unblock template to remain open and have other administrators wasting their time by dropping in. It's a procedural decline, plain and simple. –xeno (talk) 16:24, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I've reviewed this and agree that I made a big mistake - I looked at times rather than dates and it appeared to me that Bart had edited after being written to when he hadn't. So my bad there. However, I'm not happy with Bart's attitude to the people who have been trying to explain the circumstances, and also trying to explain that "no editing other peoples talkpage contributions" means "no editing other peoples talkpage contributions even, or most importantly when, they have previously removed them" so under the circumstances I feel the block should stay. If another admin reviewing my comments feels, however, that the block is inappropriate then I have no objection to the lifting or varying of same.
Bart, for the sake of understanding I would advise you that next time you make a mistake in editing another editors talkpage contributions like this I will block you for a week without waiting for an explanation. If talking to you and explaining stuff isn't going to work then it will be increasing sanctions until either you stop violating the agreement or you are blocked permanently. If you don't like this arrangement I suggest you find another admin to try and keep you editing. I don't mind, but if you want my help this is all I am prepared to offer. I await your reply (in your own time, under the circumstances). LessHeard vanU (talk) 19:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As far as my two cents are concerned, for the incivility so neatly summed up by xenocidic in his last post in the "Blocked for 24 hours" section, I support a much longer block (as in, the week immediately at the very least). There's absolutely no excuse for that and it's not at all trivial. Cheers, CP00:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Bart, there is no need to pipe World War II into the Second World War when "World War II" is the title of the article. It's a complete waste. Furthermore, trying to sneak it back in without explanation after I reverted it is not good faith and certainly not conducive to the spirit of Wikipedia discussion and consensus. Finally, it is extremely misleading and disingenuous to provide an automatic edit summary of "reverting edit blah blah blah", then perform a whole bunch of editing that is completely unrelated within the same edit (unless you also add in the edit summary that you are doing it). Your entire editing behavior, not just your actions on talk pages, are being watched, and shenanigans such as these are not very conducive to promoting your good faith contributions to this encyclopedia after so many warnings. Cheers, CP19:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the link to the picture as you requested. I contacted Jeff Wheeler about it but I only asked for permission on Wikipedia. I decided not to contact him for free use. If you wish to contact him about the picture be my guest.
--Npnunda (talk) 23:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop undoing my edits on this article.
All i'm doing is adding perfectly sensible internal links to snooker player articles. Thank you. Samasnookerfan (talk) 19:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
