User talk:MattWade

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FP closing

Hi Wade, just to point out something I think you may be forgetting while closing nominations. The alternative if promoted should then replace the original in the articles. --Muhammad(talk) 04:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

You're completely right; nice catch. Thanks for cleaning up my mess. I think that's the only one. Were there others? :-/ wadester16 | Talk→ 04:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. There was one other, the Pseudatelus sp but I have done that as well. --Muhammad(talk) 05:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Thought you might be interested in this-

In case you dont read the Times Union- http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=801152 Camelbinky (talk) 08:17, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Haha, my father sent that to me yesterday actually. Disappointing though; I love roundabouts. wadester16 | Talk→ 16:23, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Lake Seal Mt Field NP.jpg

Minor issue with the closing I think. Just realised you were from New York State. I have been there for a few weeks (around Binghampton). I remember the thunderstorms and the very green countryside the most. Noodle snacks (talk) 05:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Done in a weird way, but still fixed. So you came half-way around the world to visit New York, and you decided to go to Binghamton? There's nothing there by SUNY. What attracted you? (I almost went to SUNY for college, actually). wadester16 | Talk→ 05:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I was relatively young and mum had a friend there. We did go around the state a fair bit, and down much of the east coast. My mum had a strong dislike of New York City though, so I haven't been there yet. Noodle snacks (talk) 05:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I'm not the biggest fan either. Place smells like piss; even in winter. Although ground zero is quite moving, and they have the best bagels in the world. Funny how those three things just popped in my mind at the thought of the place. wadester16 | Talk→ 05:21, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

FPC

I find your behaviour on FPC appalling, you must know after months being on there that certain things will kill a nomination, and not only did you manage to do something that far exceeds all of them, but edit-warred to keep it in, even when everyone else was against you.

I have been involved with featured pictures for years, and have over 70 credits, last I counted. I have no intention of continuing. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 16:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Replied at WT:FPC. wadester16 | Talk→ 17:43, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the barnstar! Still have a bunch more to put into the table from the list at the bottom, but I try to get at least 5-10 places put into the table a day. There are, so far, three villages that for the life of me I can not find the date they were incorp. as villages, but I'm still looking.Camelbinky (talk) 20:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

FPC >> FP

Careful! ZooFari 20:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, I thought I remembered specifically doing that. Oops; thanks for the catch. wadester16 | Talk→ 00:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Maps

Hi Wadester16. Sorry about the very late response - I've been on an extended wikibreak. Unfortunately, I still haven't figured out a way to un-distort the maps. Perhaps it's because of my inexperience with GIS, or maybe the data I used to make the maps is permanently like that. So I sort of had to give up. Oh well. --Schzmo (talk) 22:04, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem. Thanks for the effort anyway. wadester16 | Talk→ 00:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Lomatium

I specifically said I hadn't done the promotion fully, to try and cut down on the controversy. Given your editwarring forced this move, and given, further, that your treatment of the Guy Mannering nom is at the exact opposite position to your claims that leaving a nom open 14 days was such a disaster that it must be avoided at all costs, I think you don't have a single leg to stand on in your criticism of me. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 00:02, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

There was no edit warring. I did something I thought was good in good faith. I apologized and fixed it. That said, fair is fair; you're too biased and should have just allowed for a completely new renom. Please don't blame me for your feelings on renoms being "guaranteed failures"; that is just life. But a promotion is a promotion. If you're going to do it, do it completely so I wouldn't have to waste my time wading through the mess you left. And to be honest, I've completely ignored your Guy Mannering nom because I don't care to close your noms based on the way I've been treated. You boycott FPC, treat me like crap, I boycott your noms. See how productive things get when you burn the bridges with the people that keep the place clean? wadester16 | Talk→ 00:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't care when the hell it does get promoted. But you struck out votes at least twice, stating it was because noms were running too long, despite every other person on the talk page being very upset at you for doing so, then smugly said it wasn't your problem, that other people should contact the people whose votes you struck out. If you cannot see that, after such behaviour, leaving a nomination open 11 days and counting makes you look like an utter hypocrite, I'm sorry for you. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 00:24, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

No, I struck votes out because they were no longer valid, just like here. It had nothing to do with how long the nom ran; it was a renomination and therefore a new nom. The user that renominates a nom is responsible for informing the previous voters that their original vote is no longer valid and that they just need to vote again; therefore it was not my responsibility to inform all the users that voted in four nominations that the nom was up for renom, it was the responsibility of you and Alvesgaspar. You asked Alvesgaspar to perform the same actions you did—which were more than annoying to anyone that closes—and he indicated that he didn't know how. Maybe you shouldn't have asked him? It was a bit irresponsible to ask a user to make their first administrative edits to FPC to make a point. With the Obama example above, I informed the voting parties to revote (or at least those that were not regulars, and may not stumble upon the nom again)—far from hypocritical; it's not like users are too busy to revote, especially since most agree with the outcomes (not promoted), just not the process (overturning consensus). You should have informed all voters that their votes were invalid and that they needed to revote. I can guarantee that none of them would have been promoted and we wouldn't have gone through this bullshit delist process, which has made a mockery of FPC. I'll say this again and again: you're taking this way too personally; you need to step back and see it from an unbiased viewpoint. I'm also not too scared to leave valid and reasonable discussion on my talk page; those moves make you look wholly unreasonable. wadester16 | Talk→ 00:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

A supermajority votes to support, but most were against their promotion. Riiiight. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 08:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

You're ignoring the main points. I'd appreciate it if you actually addressed them in your responses. wadester16 | Talk→ 14:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Unwatchlisting. This isn't worth it. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 15:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Apparently not, because you don't address any of the substantive issues; you merely complain about your own noms and are making things way too personal. wadester16 | Talk→ 17:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Featured list

I put List of incorporated places in New York's Capital District up for FL. Hope you can look it over and have comments or do whatever fixes you think are best. I'm encouraged that one editor already has made a constructive comment and I hope I fixed the problem satisfactorily.Camelbinky (talk) 01:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Having not yet looked at the content, you're most likely going to get a comment about the Waterford image. Having the credits in the table itself is distracting will most likely turn reviewers off. If you can't get it to be used without credits immediately by the image, I would say don't use the image. wadester16 | Talk→ 02:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I dont believe I can use the photo without giving credit. I'll just remove it, next month when I'm in town I can always drive up there and take a very similar photo anyways.Camelbinky (talk) 06:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Over time, images from local municipalities will pour in. Of course that time frame could be years, but still. :-) wadester16 | Talk→ 06:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Admin Commons

Hey Wade. Are you an admin at Commons? ZooFari 22:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Nope, only here. wadester16 | Talk→ 22:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, just needed a trusted admin to change my license template :-) ZooFari 23:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

FPC closures

Recently I joined the boycott of FPC and requested that you step down from closing nominations. At the time when I did so I had five open candidates, two of which have since been closed and both of which were closed by you. In good faith I would like to suppose that you are doing this in an attempt to demonstrate fairness, but as our prior discussion concluded you created the distinct impression of rather aggressively disregarding my opinions and reasoning. I have over two hundred featured pictures and have no urgent need for more; it would be more circumspect to extend respect. Durova^Charge! 04:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

One should extend respect if asking for it. I will still close FPCs; your wild and unfounded rants about my closures have not affected my day-to-day operations here. But what does it matter? You're now boycotting, which means all this will be moot quite soon anyway. wadester16 | Talk→ 04:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

A less hyperbolic reply would be more productive. Note the following:

1. You closed a nomination that had unanimous support without promotion.
2. The sole objection was about artificiality of color, from a reviewer who supported without understanding that it was an artificial color process.
3. The sole weak support was an echo of the misunderstanding.
4. A second edit with adjusted colors was acceptable to everyone.
5. Your closure note echoed the color issue as a reason for not promoting.
6. Upon later discussion, your first response was a qualitative esthetic judgment.
7. After I pointed out that closer esthetics should never overrule unanimous support, you changed your story.
8. You allowed one extra week, during the same time when another candidacy was held open four extra weeks.
9. No credible explanation has been forthcoming for that discrepancy, or for the urgency of rejecting a unanimously supported nomination.
10. Your decision hinges on counting the sole weak support as a half opinion. If any discretion were warranted, it would be to count that as a full support on the basis that the editor who had first raised the matter had been completely satisfied.

Now I don't very much care about one more FP per se, which was why I didn't raise this at the time although it's disappointing to see the limited supply of African historic material wasted this way: countering systemic bias is difficult even when the process is fair. But the specific thing that lost my trust was to see how you shifted ground. It's doubtful the four examples I provided upon your requests were ever read: your later post miscounted them as three examples. The inconsistencies in closures at that process are blatant to a degree that would not have been tolerated this long anywhere else, and you appear more interested in name calling than in winning back the trust of the two prolific contributors who finally resorted to boycotting. Durova^Charge! 05:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

3.5 supports is less than 4. I would have been happy to promote the edit; but note how nobody ever voted for the edit. I'm no mind reader. I don't care to regain your trust; I lost any inclination when you falsely accused me of gaming the system. Your entire response above is about one nom (as I said before, the greyest of the grey), which others have indicated was closed correctly. And you only gave three examples previously; this first showed up here from what I can tell. You're acting hysterical and are so wrapped up in bias and POV that you can no longer breathe fresh, fair, non-judgmental air. But again, moot point: you will have no more FPCs going in a few days anyway. wadester16 | Talk→ 05:41, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

This is interesting. You still have no answer to why you allowed only one-quarter the extension that a different image was being given, you refuse to acknowledge that your rationales have changed, and you're substituting another ad hominem attack for rational discussion.

If you hadn't noticed, these last few months we have had several new nominators at FPC who were doing similar work to Shoemaker's Holiday and myself. Most of them have left the process; while I was urging them to stay we had offsite discussions about the erratic closures. At that time I tried to make excuses for what was happening at FPC. Enough is enough; per this conversation I am withdrawing all existing FPC nominations. Please reconsider your course of action while people are still willing to return. Durova^Charge! 16:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I have received 4 emails now of support from various FPC regulars telling me that I need to "stay the course", ignore your "hysterical bantering", and offering me praise for my "thick skin" when it comes to your "unwarranted and untimely attacks". Many are as baffled with you as I am. Granted they would prefer not to get in any altercations, and rightly so; it's just that you outright attacked me, so I had to at least respond. I still can't believe, though, that you're so upset about a nom that had 2.5S at more than 7 days. I was nice enough to leave it open for you another 7 days, in which time you only got one more S. I assume if you got an O after that S you'd be complaining that I only left it open so the closing cabal could win against your nom. You argue the point that suits you best at the time. wadester16 | Talk→ 17:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Wadester16

If I might say a little more: You are not allowed to do what you did on WT:FPC, people have been blocked for doing that sort of thing in the past. It violates WP:TALK. People get blocked for that sort of thing. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 20:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I believe outsiders will see this as a ridiculous way of trying to "get me" for your disagreement with me in our discussions. Like I say at the page, I could have just copy and pasted this myself. Maybe you gave me a good idea: that that discussion should be made public to other members. It's not the case, but it's my right, just as it was yours. This is a ridiculous step SH, you're just being spiteful now. wadester16 | Talk→ 20:46, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Fw: Signature size

About the matter of my signature, I have been discussing this with other editors also, and don´t worry, just before you posted, I came up with the acknowledge with other editors to change my sign. I wasn´t aware that my typeface (french script) was missing in some user´s computers, I just took it from the wikipedia´s list of typefaces. Anyway, It won´t take me much to make another one (less than a month, while I finish some other unfinished business here). If you find very annoying my sign in some specific section or article or discussion, feel free to shrink it manually or tell me to do it.
By the way, I was sightseeing your user space, and I found out that I should give you this:

		- The High-level Photographer's Barnstar -
		I award you this upgraded-class barnstar for your astounding-quality pictures that you have taken, not only because they are prettier than others, but also, because of the excellent choice for the angle, accurate exposure and high resolution, expected from a distinguished photographer. Damërung ...ÏìíÏ..._ΞΞΞ_ . --  20:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I think some of them may become nominates for WP:FIC under the appropriate development
p.s. The signature inside the award is given by "~~~", so the size was predetermined, so fell free to change it. - Damërung ^{...ÏìíÏ...}_{_ΞΞΞ_} . --  20:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar. And fair enough on the sig; just do it sometime soon. It's quite large. :-) wadester16 | Talk→ 20:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Picture request (should be easy)

Can you get a pic of the half of the cottage at Springside that's on the fifth floor at the state museum? That's the only pic that article needs; in fact it's the only thing the article needs, period. If I can get it I'm looking to start the PR/GA process. Daniel Case (talk) 21:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I need to get my ass to the state museum anyway. Haven't been down there in a long time. Will let you know when I get it. wadester16 | Talk→ 22:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

List of school districts

Now that the the municipality list is done, I'm going to start the school district one. If you want to give me some column headings that should be included I can make sure I get those in. There obviously is limited space, but I was thinking for columns to cover the district name, which BOCES they are in, the towns/cities covered by the district, and type of district (central, city, enlarged city, union free, etc). I'll wait to make the table until I get your suggestions and then show you a proto-type in a sandbox first for your approval before making the article.Camelbinky (talk) 21:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, being that specific will be difficult, but if you're up for it, then I'd say go for it. The mainly difficult part will be the towns/cities covered by the district. For example, the district I went to covers Brunswick, Pittstown, Grafton, and Poestenkill, but there are also like 5 houses (literally) in Schagticoke that are in the district too (that map isn't clear enough to show those minor issues). BOCES is necessary, as is the type of district. Let me know when u get the sandbox done. wadester16 | Talk→ 21:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Would putting the counties the district is in be of any use instead of the towns? With only three columns a table is going to look a little skimpy. If a county column would be useful (and I'm not so sure it would be) that would give a fourth column, and I was thinking maybe a fifth for listing schools in the school district, and maybe even a sixth for the enrollment numbers?Camelbinky (talk) 21:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Counties may be a better idea. Schools would work too. Only problem with enrollment is that it changes every year and you're talking about updating 50+ districts every year. :-( Not even sure a bot could do that reliably. wadester16 | Talk→ 21:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Here's the heading for the table so far, with enrollment included. Yeah I hadnt thought about the fact there were so many schools that would need to be updated so often. Though once the new census comes out I (or someone else) will have to update 13 cities, 143 towns, and 64 villages in the municipality list (and all of wikipedia will probably see a huge amount of activity with all the census info changing and demographics for all the city articles out there). So if I can update over 200 every ten years, I'm willing to give it a try at updating 50 every year. Maybe put a note on the column heading (estimate for 2008) and just update every other year?Camelbinky (talk) 22:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Heh, good point. This will be WP's first US census to deal with in real time. Will be interesting to see how it goes... Header looks good. I made one change. Otherwise fine. wadester16 | Talk→ 23:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh! Duh! What about an image column? I'd say the same percentage of school districts have photos as incorporated places. wadester16 | Talk→ 23:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Yea! I didnt even think of that even though I was just looking at the Albany High photo in the school section of the CapDis article! I'll add the column and make it an unsortable column (images cant be sorted anyways by a sortable table).Camelbinky (talk) 00:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I just realized something- since the school districts are in more than one county, when the county column is sorted alphabetically it will only do so for the first county in each cell. So all the ones with Albany County, Rensselaer County, etc etc as the first county listed will be together but any with a second county name it will be lumped together with only the first county listed, no one will be able to "ask" "what school districts are in Albany County" and see all the Albany County ones listed together... Four possible solutions I have come up with are: to have 11 separate tables, one for each county; just drop the county column altogher; have a column for the county in which the main part of the school district is in, and a second unsortable column for additional counties; or instead of county columns just have footnotes attached to each school district name [1] Albany County [2] Rensselaer County etc. so that a school just in Albany County like North Colonie would be shown as North Colonie[1] and a school that is in both Saratoga and Washington counties like Schuylerville would be Schuylerville[5][6]. Camelbinky (talk) 02:08, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Wandering glider

Hey, Before this nom closes, I thought I could drop you a line about the vote count. As it is now, there are 6.5 supports and 3 oppose + 1 oppose from what seems to be a non-credible user/puppet. IMO it is a promote. Your view? --Muhammad(talk) 10:39, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't see why not. The supports seems to go down the balance scale IMO, so I think it should be promoted. ZooFari 15:37, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

With that oppose, you're at 62% S, without it, you're at 68%; but it has to be given some weight. You're >< this close to passing, but you have another 25 hrs before it closes. Think you can grab another support somewhere? If you don't, I won't close it; I'll let MER-C do it. wadester16 | Talk→ 16:52, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know about another support, but if you dont close it, could you perhaps live MER-C a note about it? I don't think it should be considered because apart from a single previous pile on support, this is the user's first vote. The comment seems kinda lame and the timing fishy. --Muhammad(talk) 17:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

re: Realization

Wow is right! Just motivates me more to get it to GA or FA status. New goal I'm setting for myself- get the article to GA status by the one year anniversary of that old edition you picked out, I think it was the way the article was on Aug 18, 2008. I changed to prose the museum list yesterday and hope to get the performing arts list done today. Then if I have time get started on the enrollment numbers for the list of schools article.Camelbinky (talk) 21:10, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Vector

Hey Wade, are you online right now? ZooFari 06:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Never mind,  Done. I made 2 version for you to decide at your desire.

Tyron and Saratoga were switched around to make the long lines shorter.

Let me know if you'd like me to modify anything (I want it to be perfect, since you mentioned something about FA above). ZooFari 07:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the second is better. I will need some changes made once Camelbinky and I figure out exactly what we want. For one, we're going to add the incorporation dates below the names (smaller font size should be sufficient). Also, as noted below, there's a change that Camelbinky proposed due to the fact that one of the counties came from both Albany and Ulster counties. I guess you could begin working on those changes now if you'd like; almost all the dates are listed in the table in the section below. wadester16 17:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh and just so you know, I requested deletion of the first one here (since it will never be used). Just FYI. wadester16 17:35, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

References and changes

http://books.google.com/books?id=R_zHwh4xByQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=new+york+gazetteer+1860&lr=&as_brr=1 best bet is to go to page 155 which begins the Albany County section, though looking at each county's section brings more in depth info. Three changes that I meant to make and that probably should be made to the new image if its not too late are that instead of Tryon being shown as a former county it should be shown as being the name of Montgomery prior to 1784 (and therefore Fulton and Otsego formed from Montgomery and not when it was named Tryon) and Charlotte was the name of Washington County prior to 1784 (and therefore Warren County formed from Washington in 1813 and not from when the name was Charlotte). This would eliminate the need for notation of "Former county in the Capital District". The third change is that Greene County should be moved over to the right side so that it can be something like this:

                   Albany                         Ulster
                     |                              |
                     +--+---------------+-----+     |
                        |               |     +--+--+
                 Tryon (Montgomery)     |        |   
                       |                |     Greene  
                 +-----+---+            |
                 |         |            |
              Fulton     Otsego         |
                           |            |
                           +------+-----+
                                  |
                               Schoharie

in order to show that Greene was a combination of area taken from Albany and Ulster (both were original counties) with Ulster given the notation of being a county today outside the Capital District like Otsego. Dates are: Albany (original county) 1683, Tryon (Montgomery) and Charlotte (Washington) both 1772, Columbia 1786, Rensselaer and Saratoga both 1791, Schoharie 1795, Greene 1800, Schenectady 1809, Warren 1813, Fulton 1838. Otsego 1791 from Montgomery and Ulster orginal county 1683. A disclaimer may be wanted that says to the effect that the table is only representing counties in the Capital District and does not represent EVERY county descended from the original Albany County. We can make a table that represents all those counties, but it would be a big table, every upstate county west and north of Ulster County.Camelbinky (talk) 13:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think ZooFari will have a problem updating. A couple things: Why don't we split Tryon (Montgomery) and Charlotte (Washington) so it's clear that one superseded the other. See my sketch below. Also, we'll need the years for Montgomery and Washington (when they superseded their predecessors). I also created a table with all the years. Double check that they're correct, so ZooFari can use them when he updates the image; fill in the blanks (****). Let me know what you think and I'll toss the honors back over to ZooFari. And the reference looks good; I added it to all the images. wadester16 17:17, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

                   Albany                         Ulster
                   1683                            year
                     |                              |
                     +--+---------------+-----+     |
                        |               |     +--+--+
                      Tryon             |        |   
                       1772             |        |
                       |                |     Greene  
                   Montgomery           |      1800
                     ****               |
                 +-----+---+            |
                 |         |            |
              Fulton     Otsego         |
               1838       1791          |
                           |            |
                           +------+-----+
                                  |
                               Schoharie
                                 1795

Albany	Schenectady	Charlotte (Washington)	Columbia	Saratoga	Rensselaer	Tryon (Montgomery)	Greene	Warren	Fulton	Otsego	Schoharie	Ulster
1683	1809	1772 (****)	1786	1791	1791	1772 (****)	1800	1813	1838	1791	1795	****

Deleting my picture Procedure

Edit 2, which I uploaded TODAY, has not had one single opinion. I propose that the picture stays there for at least a week. Also, what is the % of consensus to be premoted. Is it 75%? I am confident that if given a week, or even a half, that it will suceed. Andrewrp^Tally-ho! 20:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)