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Cheongye Kwan

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Unnotable. Judging by minimal Google hits appears to be a very localised Lancashire martial art (rather like this one ?) Wayne Riddock (talk) 12:02, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

• Delete I'd have nommed the article myself. 217 Google hits isn't just enough. Pmlineditor ∞ 12:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
• Delete as the person who originally prodded the article. When I did a search on Google for sources, I got just over 300 hits, the first four of which were, respectively, the dojo's website, the Wikipedia article, Facebook, and Twitter. Not very convincing for an organization claimed to be notable. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Comment on behalf of article's creator. The creator has listed multiple magazine and newspaper articles, so the argument "does not have enough google hits" should not be relevant. See the references section. I, personally am neutral. Tim1357 (talk) 19:06, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

• Delete Of the references listed, one is a "Los Angeles Interview" with no provenance, posted on the group's own website, rather than a neutral, third party source; the others don't seem to support the notability of the *group* (as opposed to the notability of the *founder*). Either way, given the account name of the author (Ckduk) and the fact that this account has only ever been used to create and edit this page (see contribs), at the very least there is grounds for serious WP:COI concern. tlesher (talk) 08:18, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Non-commercial organizations Notability

“Organizations are notable if they meet both of the following standards”:

The scope of their activities is national or international in scale… THE CHEONGYE KWAN IS REGIONAL AND NATIONAL, as noted in our media referebces from all across the UK. AS WELL AS INTERNATIONAL IN ITS ASSOCIATIONS. [Los Angeles Interview]

Information about the organization and its activities can be verified by third-party, independent, reliable sources. (In other words, they must satisfy the primary criterion for all organizations as described above.) MASTER GRADES AND GRANDMASTER GRADES HAVE COMMENTED OR INTERVIEWED US again in references AND SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE THE CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT OF THE CHEONGYE FROM FROM BOTH IN THE UK AND IN THE USA – NEW YORK AND LA.

Organizations whose activities are local in scope may be notable where there is verifiable information from reliable independent sources outside the organization's local area. THE CHEONGYE KWAN IS NOT ONLY REGIONAL (local) BUT INTERNATIONAL AND CAN BE SUPPLIED WITH WRITTEN REFERENCES FROM HOLLWOOD ACTORS (who are Grandmasters) WHO HELP SUPPORT THE ASSOCIATION.

The organization’s longevity, size of membership, or major achievements, or other factors specific to the organization may be considered. MASTER BARRY COOK IS A FORMER MEMBER OF THE GREAT BRITAIN NATIONAL TAEKWONDO TEAM AND BECAME A NATIONAL TEAM COACH AFTER REIRING (again as quoted from a newspaper article in references) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckduk (talk • contribs) 07:42, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

• Delete - non-notable, poorly referenced, promotional. andy (talk) 09:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

• Comment: - I just read the article, and to be quite honest, feel that it does satisfy Wikipedia's guidelines. it is reliably sourced (as shown with the Preston Citizen, Bristol Evening Post, Taekwondo & Korean Martial Arts Magazine, Cambridge University BTA Interviews, The Lancashire Evening Post and Rochdale Observer coverage). Since I believe the notability of the article is satisifed, the issues of conflict of interest, lack of google hits (which are a rather blunt tool for use in assessing notability) and self-promotion are rather weak arguments for deletion. They can be fixed. I would also like to add, to whoever closes this discussion, that two of the arguments for deletion were posted when the article had 2 sources stating notability. It now has 11 independent sources. And to refute the argument posed by Wayne, it is determined by the Phillip Rhee source that the martial arts is not localised. Thank you. —Dark 10:26, 2 November 2009 (UTC)