Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Richard Wagner

Der Ring des Nibelungen: Composition of the text

An odd title? Do people compose text? Can we rename the article? Der Ring des Nibelungen: writing of the text? The text of Der Ring des Nibelungen ? The libretto of Der Ring des Nibelungen ? Der Ring des Nibelungen: the libretto ? What do people think? --Kleinzach 04:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

• It depends. Wagner always thought of his libretto as poems - and they were sometimes read as such before the operas were composed. Perhaps the title should be "Composition of the poem".--Dogbertd (talk) 13:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, maybe "Composition of the poem". What do other people think? --Kleinzach 02:37, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done Now moved to Der Ring des Nibelungen: Composition of the poem. --Kleinzach 01:45, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Article assessments

I can't see anywhere where one goes to request an article assessment. I've recently done some work on Minna Planer and would like the team's input and suggestions for improvement. Where I can I request this?--Dogbertd (talk) 13:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I've made an assessment request box (see above). --Kleinzach 02:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Heads up

This project may be interested in this conversation: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera#Wagner stub spree.Singingdaisies (talk) 15:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

The link is now here. (BTW Singingdaisies was a sock). --Kleinzach 22:56, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Wagner-Werke-Verzeichnis

This is a renamed page. It originally was WWV (Wagner). I've asked about the two hyphens, see Talk:Wagner-Werke-Verzeichnis. --Kleinzach 22:52, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Strange edits to Parsifal etc.

Some rather strange edits have been made by SingingZombie, for example this section entitled 'Parsifal in medical science' here. There are other edits to the Ring articles. --Kleinzach 09:54, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Appears to be trivia rather vandalism. You're in discussion with him/her and I don't see the need for the rest of us to pile in.--Peter cohen (talk) 14:04, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Mmm. Didn't seem to be a discussion . . . I'd appreciate help checking the edits. I'm not sure what to make of some of them. --Kleinzach 08:06, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Ring Template

I notice that this has recently been removed from articles as superfluous. The question arises what shoudl be done with the template if it is superfluous? The two answers I can think of are either to delete it, or to improve it by adding the composition articles, discographies, and character articles. (and if we ever get orund to a leitmotifs list that could go there too. Which way do people want to go?--Peter cohen (talk) 14:42, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I've deleted it as redundant (to the Wagner opera navbox), but if you want to give it a new purpose that'll be fine by me. --Kleinzach 01:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Wagner Wikipedia book

I have created the Wikipedia:Books/Richard Wagner. Any comments? The contents are provisional (taken from the project page) and can be edited. I think we have the resources to make this a model book on WP. --Kleinzach 00:57, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know books existed. You're missing the uncompleted operas in Category:Operas by Richard Wagner. Also the composition of the music article for the Ring. Who to include under related bios is interesting. You've just gone for the wives, but do we want to include some of the descendants? Wagner authors? Wagner mistresses?... I don't think we would have an article on Mathilde Wesendonck, if it weren't for RW.--Peter cohen (talk) 10:36, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I've added Mathilde Wesendonck. The incomplete operas should also go in and the composition article. Anything else left out? I excluded the extended clan as being of less interest here - there could be a separate book on the Wagner Family as such. --Kleinzach 11:35, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Gosh, what a fantastic thing. Wikipedia never ceases to amaze me. Thanks for doing this. I almost feel like a real author now...--Dogbertd (talk) 17:11, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

There were some technical issues (navboxes and interwiki links appearing, and table lines disappearing etc.) but I think we've got them straightened out. Please say if you see anything strange. --Kleinzach 10:13, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I've been looking further into the possibilities of how to use this tool: see here and here, using Chopin as an example.) --Kleinzach 02:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Bayreuth firsts. Want exact dates not just years.

Anyone have a source that gives the exact dates of the first Bayreuth performances of the five operas that Cosima introduced to the canon? I'm trying to polish Bayreuth canon so I can make it a candidate for Featured List status. At present I only have the years of first and most recent Bayreuth performances. I can get the most recent performance dates from the Bayreuth site, but they seem only to have entered individual dates of New Bayreuth performances onwards and have only information on the number of performances a year of wartime and earlier festivals. Obviously I'm only up the level of detail if I can do it for all 20 relevant dates.--Peter cohen (talk) 10:43, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I've been able to access the Times archives through my local public library. I now have a definite date for Lohengrin, probable ones for Tannhauser and Tristan - Liszt attended the latter against doctor's orders and then died soon after. I have the festival dates for Mastersingers and still have only the year for Dutchman.--Peter cohen (talk) 22:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Mein Leben

New article. Hojotoha to all for a Wagnerian 2010 --Smerus (talk) 15:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Good article! I wonder if it should go in Category:Essays by Richard Wagner, perhaps renamed as 'Books and essays by . . .' or Writings by . . ' or whatever. --Kleinzach 01:40, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking along the same lines. ~Perhaps the category should be 'Prose Works of....' (as in Millington's 'Wagner Compendium')--Smerus (talk) 08:51, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good to me.--Peter cohen (talk) 20:31, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

OK I have proposed the renaming: see here.--Smerus (talk) 21:09, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

It's struck me that this would include his prose sketches for operas. (Is this the state that Die Sieger and Jesus von Nazareth etc were in?) Do we want instead to have a non-fiction category? (I'm ignoring the evidence that Wagner's biographical writing is at times tantamount to fiction.)--Peter cohen (talk) 21:33, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Millington's definition of 'prose works' in the Wagner Compendium (p. 326) is as follows '[...] Wagner's writings, reviews, speeches, open letters [....] ; occasional poems and dedications as well as prose drafts and the texts of stage works [...] are excluded'. I propose we use this formulation as the header text for the renamed category.--Smerus (talk) 11:16, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Fine.--Peter cohen (talk) 11:31, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Er, someone has now upped the ante by creating Category:Works by Richard Wagner. They might I suppose have asked here first. In the circumstances I propose creating Category: Prose works by Richard Wagner and leaving Category:Essays and Category:Autobiographical works by Richard Wagner as subcategories of it.--Smerus (talk) 12:29, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Reverted move of Bayreuth Festspielhaus

I've just undid a series of edits by someone who moved this article and translated the Festspielhaus's name throughout the article. Can other people keep an eye on this in case the person attempts to revert it through an ignorant misunderstanding of policy and standard usage.--Peter cohen (talk) 11:58, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Rienzi

I obviously have nothing better to do over Xmas, so I have tried to start knocking Rienzi into shape. All help welcomed.--Smerus (talk) 10:37, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

With the help of Peter cohen I have now I think stopped fiddllng with this article, so if anyone wants to take a look at upgrading it, I hope it has at least transcended the Start category.--Smerus (talk) 13:14, 27 December 2009 (UTC)