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Hello, Mademoiselle Sabina, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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TheRingess 06:55, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Misery

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia!

I just had a quick question and a comment regarding your recent edit to the article Misery. I was wondering why you deleted the paragraph that you deleted? I haven't read the book, so maybe the information was incorrect or misleading. If it wasn't, I don't understand the deletion. But -- and this leads into my comment -- when you delete an entire paragraph from an article, you definitely shouldn't mark the change as minor, and it's generally a good idea to mention (in your edit summary or on the talk page) why you made such a significant deletion so that other people can understand what you're doing.

Welcome again! We're glad to have you. :) Feel free to get in touch with my on my talk page (or you can reply here, if you like) if you've got any questions or if you want to chat. Hbackman 21:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it's okay to reveal the ending if you want to, because of the spoiler warning. It is up to you, though. I thought that you might have been deleting what someone else wrote, which is why I kind of jumped on it.

I haven't been around too long, but I have some vague idea of what I'm doing... ;) don't hesitate to ask for advice if you need any! :) Hbackman 22:09, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Policies and guidelines

It seems to me that it is more helpful to a new person to refer them to specific policies or guidelines than to merely tell them about it. I try to quote the relevant section, when short, as well as provide the wikilink. It is easy for me to do. After 6 months or so, I have wikilinks for a dozen or more of the most frequently cited project pages memorized. But, it is hard for a new person to find the relevant passage sometimes.

Forgive me if it seems rude, but I took a look at some of your contributions. May I make a couple of brief comments? Regarding your edit of A Chorus Line, you might want to refer to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Avoid_overlinking_dates. "Generally, do not link [year only dates], unless they will clearly help the reader to understand the topic." But when I looked at the year article, 1997, I didn't see anything that would help me understand A Chorus Line. You will find numerous examples where this guidance is not followed. It is easy to get the impression that all single-years should be linked.

Your edit of balance beam was very interesting to me. I remember seeing Olga Korbut and Nadia Comaneci on TV coverage of the 1972 and 1976 Olympic games. Their performances were so beautiful that tears came to my eyes. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 17:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Misery

Hi!

I noticed you reverted my correction on the publishing status of the books in Misery (the film and the novel). Now, I haven't read the book, but I know for a fact that Misery's Child was in published form in the film, and that the manuscript was Paul's new, non-Misery book ("Untitled"). I've gone so far as to double check the DVD, just in case I had a false memory. In fact, I believe her buying Misery's Child in town is one of the clues that leads Buster to suspect her. In the case of the article, I had simply assumed someone had made a mistake without realizing, but you seem quite sure of how it is in the book...which leads me to think there may actually be no difference between the book and the film in that regard (not having read the book, again, I couldn't say). It's also possible King made a later revision, reflecting the film's choice (or vice versa). Any thoughts?

Cheers,

Yossarian 01:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thanks for your message about the Misery edit!

I'm sorry for reverting your edit without checking with you about the DVD. The original Wikipedia edit--before I stepped in--made it seem as though Misery's Child was unpublished in the film, and that this was the book Paul was forced to rewrite. This seemed to be backed up by other reviews of the film I could find online, and I honestly couldn't remember anything different myself, so I made the changes. Since this doesn't seem to be the case--I stand corrected.

MC is definitely published in the novel version--I went back to my copy of Misery to check. My copy of the book dates from 1988, so it seems that this is an original plot point that carried over to the film. Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 05:13, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Children of Heaven

Great edit.

=)

Madangry 17:57, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the kind words about my edit! Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 03:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gymnastics

According to your userpage, gymnastics was one of your hobbies, besides, English seems to be your native language (or at least you write in it at advanced level). Then why had you stopped contributions to related articles? :( I was waiting for a few words about compulsories... At least I, consider your edits very valuable.

P.S. If you don't like me speaking to you for any reasons, feel free to tell me this. I'll understand. Cmapm 02:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cmapm! I don't mind your speaking to me at all. You've been very nice to me and you've been a great help on the gymnastics-related articles. Thanks for all your encouragement!

I actually hadn't realized that I hadn't updated the gymnastics articles in a few days. I've worked on brushing up the articles for some of the British and Brazilian gymnasts, and I've been thinking about how to go about writing about compulsories. I'll definitely be getting back to work now. :) Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 03:26, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, Mademoiselle Sabina! I've seen your latest addition to Artistic gymnastics article, it was great! Sorry, I hadn't taken into account, that you might edit biography articles instead of editing topics on general subjects. And I thought, that you stopped edits at all :) And once more I want to say, that I like your gymnastics-related editing very much!!! Cheers! Cmapm 09:11, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Theater

Thanks for your recent theater edits. --Arcadian 12:29, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure! Mademoiselle Sabina 19:17, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Alternative"

"Alternative" is both a noun and an adjective; "reserve" is fine, though. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 12:40, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As a professional writer and a native speaker of English, I am well aware of the fact that "alternative" is a noun and adjective. That doesn't change the fact that it was used incorrectly in your edit. For what it's worth, "alternate" is a term that is completely appropriate and common in American English as a term for a reserve athlete. It was used correctly and didn't need to be changed in the first place. A quick look through Wikipedia reveals that it is used on many athlete pages in various sports. I'm ending this discussion here, because I really do not wish to continue it. I refuse to argue with you. Mademoiselle Sabina 20:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The misuse of "alternate" to mean "alternative" has indeed become very common in U.S. English, and has even spread here to a lesser extent; I know many educated Americans who see it as an error, however, and it seems a pity to collude in the destruction of a clear and useful distinction. Given that "alternative is correct in all forms of English, while "alternate" is strictly incorrect in all forms, I'm not clear why (as a professional writer and native speaker of English) you objected to the change that I (as a professional writer and native speaker of English) made — nor why your message had such an unpleasant tone. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you refer to any standard American dictionary. "Alternate" is listed as a proper noun--not slang--in Merriam-Webster, The American Heritage Dictionary and various other dictionaries. The only one I could not find a listing in was the Oxford Dictionary--ie, again, this is a proper American term and is perfectly acceptable in an article related to an American subject.

If you refuse to accept the fact that American grammar has different conventions and word usage than British English, well, there's nothing I can really say to you. "Alternate" is an acceptable term that is used in sports, arts, and other areas both in and outside of Wikipedia.

I strongly suggest you hold your own temper. If anyone is making a personal attack here, it's you. Nowhere on this page have I named you. I do not respect you whatsoever, because I feel you are incredibly condescending. I have now asked you twice--on my Talk page and your own--to cease pestering me with your messages. Stop harassing me. Mademoiselle Sabina 23:21, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Remark

I've noticed an update of your userpage: "I do lose patience with sloppy edits and pretension". After more than a year spent here I can tell you, that this is a permanent Wiki's problem, which is very disappointing sometimes. Anyway, if you leave Wikipedia, I'll leave it as well... Cmapm 14:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry, I'm not leaving Wiki! =) I'm probably going to change the page in a few days when I cool down somewhat. Luckily most of the editors on Wiki I have met have been extremely nice, but there are always a few who aren't. Someone on Wiki I intensely dislike--because I feel they are pretentious and do not research the edits they make--had changed a word in my gymnastics article to something completely nonsensical and I momentarily lost patience. I'm fine. :) Thank you for the concern and the words of support! They were needed today. Namaste Mademoiselle Sabina 19:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I stay here :) By the way, as concerns a category of people, whom you dislike, some time ago I had heard similar things from another user, a researcher, who had scientific degree in history. Besides, there is a wide variety of other cinic users here - trolls, vandals, etc. There is a long article Criticism of Wikipedia about Wiki's problems.

Feel free to edit or delete these my comments when you shall cool down, if you want. And, please, keep in mind my words in the last sentence of my previous comment. I didn't say them only for support, I really think so. Cmapm 21:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. As you see below, I'm having a rough time. I suppose you can't control who is on Wikipedia, and you have to take what they say with a grain of salt. I'm going to take a look at that Wiki article. Thank you again for your kind words! Mademoiselle Sabina 23:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have no experience in dispute resolutions and I'm not an administrator here (and don't intend to be one), but I pointed out a section in the Wikipedia's Manual of Style which I believe proves, that you are right (that article was about an American gymnast, right?) better, than even academic dictionaries do and asked to be more polite with a newbie all the more that he is an administrator in Wikipedia, on his talk page. We'll see whether this helps or not in this dispute's resolution, which, I believe, includes several personal attacks and inpoliteness on his side. If not, then I believe we'll have a right to request for comment on his conduct. Cmapm 01:36, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, now I see why the tone of your message was so unpleasant. I remember now — you were equally unpleasant when I made another correction to non-standard English in one of "your" articles. As I recall, on that occasion you insisted that it should stay because anyone who already knew about the subject would know what it meant. This time you're saying that the misuse of "alternate" to mean "alternative" should stay because the same mistake is made often in U.S. gymnastics and in Wikipedia articles. Have a little read of Wikipedia:No personal attacks, and try to keep hold of your temper. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:06, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you refer to any standard American dictionary. "Alternate" is listed as a proper noun--not slang--in Merriam-Webster, The American Heritage Dictionary and various other dictionaries. The only one I could not find a listing in was the Oxford Dictionary--ie, again, this is a proper American term and is perfectly acceptable in an article related to an American subject.

If you refuse to accept the fact that American grammar has different conventions and word usage than British English, well, there's nothing I can really say to you. "Alternate" is an acceptable term that is used in sports, arts, and other areas both in and outside of Wikipedia.

I strongly suggest you hold your own temper. If anyone is making a personal attack here, it's you. Nowhere on this page have I named you. I do not respect you whatsoever, because I feel you are incredibly condescending. I have now asked you twice--on my Talk page and your own--to cease pestering me with your messages. Stop harassing me. Mademoiselle Sabina 23:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Responding to messages isn't harassment. If you don't want responses, then don't say anything to be responded to. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::Feel free to edit or delete these my comments when you shall cool down, if you want. And, please, keep in mind my words in the last sentence of my previous comment. I didn't say them only for support, I really think so. [[User:Cmapm|Cmapm]] 21:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 :::Thanks. As you see below, I'm having a rough time. I suppose you can't control who is on Wikipedia, and you have to take what they say with a grain of salt. I'm going to take a look at that Wiki article. Thank you again for your kind words! [[User:Mademoiselle Sabina|Mademoiselle Sabina]] 23:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
+::::I have no experience in dispute resolutions and I'm not an administrator here (and don't intend to be one), but I pointed out [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English|a section in the Wikipedia's Manual of Style]] which I believe proves, that you are right (that article was about an American gymnast, right?) better, than even academic dictionaries do and asked to be more polite with a newbie all the more that he is an administrator in Wikipedia, on his talk page. We'll see whether this helps or not in this dispute's resolution, which, I believe, includes several personal attacks and inpoliteness on his side. If not, then I believe we'll have a right to [[Wikipedia:RFC#User-conduct RfC|request for comment on his conduct]]. [[User:Cmapm|Cmapm]] 01:36, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 Ah, now I see why the tone of your message was so unpleasant.  I remember now &mdash; you were equally unpleasant when I made another correction to non-standard English in one of "your" articles.  As I recall, on that occasion you insisted that it should stay because anyone who already knew about the subject would know what it meant.  This time you're saying that the misuse of "alternate" to mean "alternative" should stay because the same mistake is made often in U.S. gymnastics and in Wikipedia articles.  Have a little read of [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks]], and try to keep hold of your temper. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]]  ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">Μελ Ετητης</font>]]) 23:06, 16 March 2006 (UTC)