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Iberians

Sardur come to the talk page. And explain yourself why do you call me a Vandal? GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 13:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To transform:

"The population of the theme—at its largest extent—was multiethnic with the Armenian majority, including a sizable Armenian community of Chalcedonic rite to which Byzantines sometimes expanded, as a denominational name, the ethnonym "Iberian", a Graeco-Roman designation of Georgians.^[1]^[2]"

into:

"The denominational name, the ethnonym "Iberian", was a Graeco-Roman designation of Georgians.^[1]

is a clear vandalism. Stop this.

Sardur (talk) 13:39, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

^ ^a ^b Rapp, Stephen H. (2003), Studies In Medieval Georgian Historiography: Early Texts And Eurasian Contexts, p. 414. Peeters Bvba ISBN 90-429-1318-5.
^ Арутюновой – Фиданян, В. А. Типик Григория Пакуриана. Введение, перевод и комментарий. Ереван, 1978, с. 249.

It's not vandalism. The word Iberians and Iberian means Georgian and the Armenian Author (Арутюновой – Фиданян) writes as if the Orthodox Armenians were Georgians. That's the thing I've edited. Iberians are the name of Georgians. Do you understand it now? GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 13:46, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You're manipulating a source. Whether you like it or not, this is what the source says. Sardur (talk) 14:02, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The theme was not Armenian it was Georgian. Don't you understand? The quote of the source is from an Armenian which cannot be trusted in this case. How in the world Iberians were Armenians and they were Georgians at the same time? GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 14:05, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the objective sources. Now you better stop this edit war or you will find yourself being banned for some time. Last warning. GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 14:13, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The source explains it, whether you like it or not. Now stop or you will be reported. Sardur (talk) 23:02, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GeorgianJorjadze, your edits appear very pov. You have altered the accepted terminology of places and regions and deleted accepted history. And you are giving no explanation for it. Becasue of this, I reverted your edits. You changed "kingdom of Ani" to "lands of Ani", you changed "kingdom of Kars" to "lands of Kars". These are not the accepted terms for those entities. You deleted the information dealing with the theme's capital: "these provinces were organized by Basil II into the theme of Iberia with the capital at Theodosiopolis". Meowy 21:03, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You may revert some of my changes back. But leave the rest alone. Iberian theme represents Georgian heritage so the History bar and the maps should stay. I didn't know if Ani was a kingdom though. GeorgianJorjadze (talk) 21:26, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

[Rapp-1] Rapp, Stephen H. (2003), Studies In Medieval Georgian Historiography: Early Texts And Eurasian Contexts, p. 414. Peeters Bvba ISBN 90-429-1318-5.

[2] Арутюновой – Фиданян, В. А. Типик Григория Пакуриана. Введение, перевод и комментарий. Ереван, 1978, с. 249.

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+Sardur come to the talk page. And explain yourself why do you call me a Vandal? [[User:GeorgianJorjadze|GeorgianJorjadze]] ([[User talk:GeorgianJorjadze|talk]]) 13:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
+:To transform:
+:*"The population of the theme—at its largest extent—was multiethnic with the [[Armenians|Armenian]] majority, including a sizable Armenian community of [[Chalcedonian|Chalcedonic]] rite to which Byzantines sometimes expanded, as a denominational name, the [[ethnonym]] "[[Caucasian Iberia|Iberian]]", a [[Graeco-Roman]] designation of [[Georgians]].<ref name="Rapp">Rapp, Stephen H. (2003), ''Studies In Medieval Georgian Historiography: Early Texts And Eurasian Contexts'', p. 414. Peeters Bvba ISBN 90-429-1318-5.</ref><ref>Арутюновой – Фиданян, В. А. Типик Григория Пакуриана. Введение, перевод и комментарий. Ереван, 1978, с. 249.</ref>"
+:into:
+:*"The denominational name, the [[ethnonym]] "[[Caucasian Iberians|Iberian]]", was a [[Graeco-Roman]] designation of [[Georgians]].<ref name="Rapp">Rapp, Stephen H. (2003), ''Studies In Medieval Georgian Historiography: Early Texts And Eurasian Contexts'', p. 414. Peeters Bvba ISBN 90-429-1318-5.</ref>
+:is a clear vandalism. Stop this.
+:[[User:Sardur|Sardur]] ([[User talk:Sardur|talk]]) 13:39, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
+<references/>
+:::::It's not vandalism. The word Iberians and Iberian means Georgian and the Armenian Author (Арутюновой – Фиданян) writes as if the Orthodox Armenians were Georgians. That's the thing I've edited. Iberians are the name of Georgians. Do you understand it now? [[User:GeorgianJorjadze|GeorgianJorjadze]] ([[User talk:GeorgianJorjadze|talk]]) 13:46, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
+::::::You're manipulating a source. Whether you like it or not, this is what the source says. [[User:Sardur|Sardur]] ([[User talk:Sardur|talk]]) 14:02, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
+:::::::The theme was not Armenian it was Georgian. Don't you understand? The quote of the source is from an Armenian which cannot be trusted in this case. How in the world Iberians were Armenians and they were Georgians at the same time? [[User:GeorgianJorjadze|GeorgianJorjadze]] ([[User talk:GeorgianJorjadze|talk]]) 14:05, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
+:::::::::I've added the objective sources. Now you better stop this edit war or you will find yourself being banned for some time. Last warning. [[User:GeorgianJorjadze|GeorgianJorjadze]] ([[User talk:GeorgianJorjadze|talk]]) 14:13, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
+::::::::::The source explains it, whether you like it or not. Now stop or you will be reported. [[User:Sardur|Sardur]] ([[User talk:Sardur|talk]]) 23:02, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 GeorgianJorjadze, your edits appear very pov. You have altered the accepted terminology of places and regions and deleted accepted history. And you are giving no explanation for it. Becasue of this, I reverted your edits. You changed "kingdom of Ani" to "lands of Ani", you changed "kingdom of Kars" to "lands of Kars". These are not the accepted terms for those entities. You deleted the information dealing with the theme's capital: "these provinces were organized by Basil II into the theme of Iberia with the capital at Theodosiopolis". [[User:Meowy|<font face="Trebuchet MS, verdana, sans serif" color="#0088BB">'''Meowy'''</font>]] 21:03, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
-:::Ani and Kars are edited back. [[User:GeorgianJorjadze|GeorgianJorjadze]] ([[User talk:GeorgianJorjadze|talk]]) 21:26, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
+:::You may revert some of my changes back. But leave the rest alone. Iberian theme represents Georgian heritage so the History bar and the maps should stay. I didn't know if Ani was a kingdom though. [[User:GeorgianJorjadze|GeorgianJorjadze]] ([[User talk:GeorgianJorjadze|talk]]) 21:26, 20 April 2012 (UTC)