Talk:List of furry conventions

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List Order?

How should the list be organized? Alphabetically, or by attendance numbers, as in List of conventions by attendance? Chaos386 23:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

It is currently ordered by attendance. It seemed as good a way as any. GreenReaper 00:58, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Sortable tables?

I was wondering, wouldn't be a good idea to have a sortable table here, like they do at the list of Science Fiction conventions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rabbitdude (talk • contribs) 17:22, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, the furry conventions are already listed in that, although admittedly you can't sort by furry and another column. The intent of this page was really to give more information on these topics, a-la list of furry role-playing games, while not promoting topics that could not satisfy notability criteria to the status of full articles. It might work better for some uses, but I worry that we are likely to lose information or decrease the chance of adding more information if we switch to a sortable table - it's not very conductive to expansion. Any examples out there of sortable tables that also achieve this goal? GreenReaper (talk) 18:43, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, there is also a list of furry cons on the article list of Science Fiction conventions. Isn't this article a little redundant? Rabbitdude (talk) 17:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

This article was intended to give more detail than the list there is trying to give. For most of these conventions a short stub could be written, but there is not sufficient information for a full article. This is where the short stub goes, as opposed to furry convention (which was getting long in its own right). Personally I am not entirely sure that we fit into that SF list, either, but I was invited to add furry ones there, so I did. GreenReaper (talk) 17:31, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Number of Furries World Wide

A Poll taking in 2007, showed that currently 800,000+ Furries Worldwide. <-- Has been confirmed by a bunch of Furries including a few staff members from Fur cons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kosan (talk • contribs) 01:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

We need to do better than that. What poll, what staff members, when and where? How do you "show" 800,000 furs? GreenReaper (talk) 02:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

As noted in my earlier edit summary, that bit of information would be more appropriate to include in the article Furry fandom than in this one, provided of course that a good reference can be found. --Mwalimu59 (talk) 03:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Number of Furs Worldwide

A Poll taken in 2007, have showed that over 800,000 Furs around the World <-- Confirmed by Staff from Anthrocon, and MFM. -- Stop deleting the post, are you could be faced with vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kosan (talk • contribs) 23:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Featured list nomination suggestions

The first nomination failed, but we came a long way, thanks mostly to miranda.

Things to address:

• The US vs. rest of world divide must end, preferably in a way that allows people to look for a certain region or country (sortable country column? Keep location combined, but use a hidden sortkey just containing the country?)
• The date format needs to be something everyone can be happy with - readable, capable of expressing date ranges, sortable, not too long, not hard to maintain. {{dts}} may help, or {{sort|2008-11-01|1 November 2008}}.
• Dates within body text need to long format, not short/numerical format.
• Scrollable sections [1] are appearing on "Firefox 3, Win XP SP2, 1024×768, 19" monitor", probably due to scroll elements in the intended to avoid an IE7 clipping problems (the right edge is cut off even though the margin is increased). A workaround for the scrollable sections showing up or a better solution to the underlying problem needs to be created.
• The lede needs to be trimmed to that which is appropriate for the list; it's not a replacement for furry convention.

Things to consider:

• Do we need attendance? Can it be adequately referenced?
• What dates, if any, should we actually be listing? Date of the last con? Date of the first con? What text should be used to describe them?
• Is this a guide or an encyclopedic list? What things are "not encyclopedic"? What things are truly useful to the furry audience and how can they be maintained without undermining the encyclopedic content?
• Should we be listing all conventions, or just those we can give cast-iron references for
• How much prose is enough? Probably one or two lines per convention is not sufficient, unless they are very small.

This list was originally intended as an incubator for future articles in Category:Furry conventions and I feel this is still a valid goal. Having this in mind might guide the creation of additional prose, which has been trimmed back due to lack of references. GreenReaper (talk) 01:03, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm biased, so take it with the appropriate amount of salt, and I can't really give a good answer to some. I'm a bit of an inclusionist, but feel a well-organized list or overview can be better than a plethora of article stubs. My feeling is to include information rather than leave it out.

Leave out stuff that sounds like marketing blurbs, leave in influences on the real world.

Even rules like WP:V bracket their language in "usually" and "should". I wish the rules encouraged more intelligent evaluation of sources, but this may not be the time and place to have that debate.

That said, there are some conventions on this list that I would have a hard time proving actually occurred, even with my knowledge of fandom sources.

Fursuiters are nice, but photos should show all aspects of conventions. --Rat at WikiFur (talk) 09:54, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

We need to use, non-ISO dates. I have begun sorting. miranda 05:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Does the shortened non-ISO form look reasonable to you? It seems more readable than having two full dates, and it's just as sortable. GreenReaper (talk) 06:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I do not like ISO, and that's one of the main reasons that the list failed. So, we need to use standard dates. miranda 18:55, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. See the list: I omitted the month and year where they are the same, eg. "12-15 February 2009" rather than "12 February 2009 to 15 February 2009". GreenReaper (talk) 20:00, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

That's cool. I will put this article up on peer review. miranda 18:59, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

RBW

I have moved RBW to the discontinued list as it has ended as of RBW 2010. --LH (talk) 06:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

TS MUSH and CSIs portrayal.

• Yiffing, Tinysex, online roleplaying, MU* and the entire history of Furry culture needs to be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.77.53.83 (talk) 13:10, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

What about TS MUSH, and MUCK revolving around 'yiffing'?

It is widely known among the MUSH community that Furry MUSH/MOO/MUCKs etc involve all sorts of Furry, Pedophile, Infantile, S&M, Anthropomorphic Tiny Sex fantasies. Also clubs in Toronto and San Francisco have been putting on sexualized 'furry' nights for years over years. I wish I knew of the names of ones I had heard of where it was going on because I would post a proper reference.

There was an event to "expose" yiffers called the Twink Exodus where people played pranks like honey traps and DDOS attacks 'yiffer' servers. That is servers where it was suspected that yiffing was going. 8Bit MUSH has a long standing (10 year) culture of anti-furry, anti-ts, and anti-yiffing . I think one character even held up a sign at some balloon boy press grab saying something ridiculous about yiffing just to get it in the local news paper with a nonsense sign.

I think the writers at CSI did more research that the writers of this article, honestly. You've barely scratched the surface on the Furry underworld. There is a LOT of furry activity that this does not include.

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/TinySex

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Yiffing

http://www.furry.com/

Lots of controversy around these MU* in the MU* community because there are often a lot of minors having indiscriminate online yiffing relationships with non-minors and minors alike, usually without their parents knowledge or approval, but in some cases with such knowledge and approval. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.77.53.83 (talk) 13:06, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Without taking sides on whether the suggested content is appropriate for Wikipedia, I'll just say right off the bat that doesn't belong in List of furry conventions purely from the perspective of the most appropriate article for the proposed content. General discussion about about what goes on in furry fandom as a whole belongs in Furry fandom. If you believe it's relevant to what goes on at furry conventions per se, it would belong in Furry convention. --mwalimu59 (talk) 18:30, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria

The recent deletion discussion has resulted in one editor removing the majority of events listed on this page. As this list grows, it becomes hard to keep updated. Inclusion criteria such as a night's stay, the presence of dealing, longevity of an event (3 years?) and/or minimum attendance (200? 250?) - possibly with exceptions for the largest event in a country - are all reasonable ways of reducing "churn", and decreasing the chance of presenting inaccurate data.

However, I strongly disagree with the position that a convention must meet Wikipedia's general notability criteria to be included. Part of the goal of this list (unlike the lists of anime conventions or science fiction conventions) is to provide an appropriate level of coverage for events that don't qualify for an article of their own. In many cases, that may be only one or two lines, which is perfectly suited to a list item. Secondary sources are beneficial but not required for this purpose.

What are your thoughts? Where would you draw the line? (Relevant data is available on WikiFur's list of conventions by attendance and timeline of conventions.) GreenReaper (talk) 21:35, 5 May 2012 (UTC)