Talk:Life Is Good (Nas album)

Another Black Girl Lost

This song has been confirmed NOT to be on the album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.228.145.233 (talk) 02:02, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Merger Proposal

This page for The Don (Nas song) was recently created. It has no sources and very little information for it to stand alone as an article, so I propose it be merged into this article since it is a song on this album. Comatmebro (talk) 06:49, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Disagree; it's standard for singles, whether independant releases or as part of an album, to have their own pages on WP.--Chimino (talk) 05:07, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Is there a policy or guideline that states that? That contradicts what WP:Notability (songs) says: "Most songs do not rise to notability for an independent article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for the songwriter, a prominent album or for the artist who prominently performed the song... Notability aside, a separate article on a song is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album." That policy supports merging. Comatmebro ^{~Come at me~} 21:22, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm adding Accident Murderers to the merge proposal for the same reasons. Based on WP:notability (songs) these song articles do not meet the notability criteria and are unlikely to expand beyond stubs. Comatmebro ^{~Come at me~} 06:25, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Accident Murderers

Salaam Remi did not co-produce this song. No ID is the only producer. I put the reference of the official tracklist. Not some random site that says otherwise. User 108.228.145.233 keeps undoing this and putting Salaam Remi back to the article. By all the conversations that he's been involved, he clearly is a disruptive user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Renangms (talk • contribs) 00:57, 12 July 2012 (UTC) There is nothing disruptive about what Ive been doing, Ive been citing my MANY resources & ALL of them have listed Salaam Remi as a co-producer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.228.145.233 (talk) 18:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Review

With my revision to the article, I restored the Observer review. Regarding the publication's notability, XXL is for hip hop albums, whereas The Observer reviews all albums, which I'd think would make it an NPOV choice over XXL; the latter rates albums, or only hip hop albums in its case, higher than other critics [1]. In any case, the template as it is now is a more neutral representation of critics' ratings, and w/Slant's near-perfect rating included, XXL's would be a bit too partial to the few critics that gave the album more than a four-star, or equivalent, rating. Dan56 (talk) 17:37, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

-With all do respect, Dan, that's bull. XXL does NOT rate all hip hop albums with high marks. The bias with Wiki editors is astounding. It's as if you guys don't want to show that one reviewer actually appreciated the album to its fullest extent. I think it's more "biased" to remove a critic's point of view and be so selective about it based on your own POV.74.109.42.182 (talk)

WP:Fancruft: The point of the ratings template to represent all the ratings accurately and neutrally (WP:ALBUMS) It is less comprehensive and more selective to replace a three-star/equivalent rating that is one of multiple critics' rating with a five-star/equivalent rating that comes from only one publication, that happens to specialize in hip hop music... and to add it twice. I like the album too, which is why I cleaned up and expanded this article, but I dont prioritize my taste/opinion in music over encyclopedic value. If I did, I'd too want to include only the highest ratings available. It's not bias, it's objectivity, and Slant's rating is already included to represent the ratio of those handful of high ratings over four stars. Dan56 (talk) 01:24, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

-I fail to see your point (I understand it, but I don't get it). It can be argued that Rolling Stone is biased/less neutral towards older acts, but I'll leave that argument alone since XXL claims hip-hop coverage exclusively. Punk, metal, and hardcore bands get reviews from, well, sites that specialize in punk and metal (PunkNews, Lambgoat, AbsolutePunk and so on). So, I kind of find this action coming more from your personal preference (yes, I saw the WP:ALBUMS link). See a list of reviews in the past that have been approved for XXL on Wikipedia: 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Rich_or_Die_Tryin%27_%28album%29 2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be_%28Common_album%29 3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enter_the_Wu-Tang_%2836_Chambers%29 and the list goes on forever. Are you going to remove those? If XXL does indeed fall into this category you've put them in, then either Wiki is inconsistent with enforcing its rules, or there is currently editorial bias at play. Neither of which can be taken very seriously in such case. 74.109.42.182 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:06, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

So why should I take you seriously? LOL. XXL seems to be your personal preference as you are not providing a valid argument against what I said about accurately portraying how critics reviewed the album, the point of the template; I'm guessing you overlooked that altogether. As for your references to other articles, Wikipedia promotes internal consistency (such as date styles, ex. 1 January 2012 / January 1, 2012), not external, meaning information available for certain articles dictates how the article is written. Nothing is "approved" for articles; if XXL is the most appropriate reviewer available, then it is included. Newer albums have the benefit of being in an Internet age where everything is documented and more sources are available, esp. for hip hop albums. There are more reviews published online than there were when 50 Cent debuted, and out of the numerous reviews for this album, XXL is in the small minority of critics rating it like it did. You, like the rest of the Nas fan club editing this article in the past three days (same exact edits, so are you all the same person using different computers/hotspots occasionaly?) are giving undue weight to a reviewer you'd ignore if they panned the album. I cleaned the article up and expanded it pretty nicely while the occasional IP made petty personalization of it, so you dont take me seriously when I say I know what I'm talking about? Dan56 (talk) 03:47, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Since you brought it up, here's Rolling Stone's average score weighed against other critics, in case you're interested. Dan56 (talk) 03:55, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

DAn56 or whatever they call u. i added the xxl rating for life is good when there were only 4 ratings and you kept removing it adding the one you like.XXL rating are on other albums such as get rich or die trying i dont c why my edit keeps getting deleted and now uthe page is semi protected like it belonged to ur father or something.smh!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wayn12 (talk • contribs) 23:48, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

I clearly explained myself. I cant force you to read the above, but if your question isnt just rhetoric, I suggest you read it. Dan56 (talk) 00:07, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Its stupid, petty stuff like this that turned me off editing wikipedia for the past few months... By your logic Dan56, all XXL magazine ratings should be removed from the templates on recent album articles. I think it is perfectly reasonable to allocate one space in the template to a widely respected hip hop magazine. And judging by the amount of times XXL's rating has been added and removed from the template, this is not simply "fancruft", as you suggest. Green-Halcyon (formerly Aunty-S) (talk) 18:32, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Slant Magazine and the AV Club also gave the album a very high rating, should they be removed too? I also had a quick look at the reviews added up by Metacritic, and there are no reviews panning the album. Does this mean that Metacritic is biased with its accumulated score?Green-Halcyon (formerly Aunty-S) (talk) 19:50, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

If it's petty, why was my initial revision (first "removal" of the rating) to the article met with such controversy? And why would you address such a petty issue here? All I did was post a short explanation here (as if I had to) for the change, out of courtesy to your revision and then cleanup the article. As for the subsequent addition/removal, it's probably the same user adding the XXL rating, judging from the different IPs claiming the same identity when addressing the revision (wayne_from_michigan). I was just being bold, defending my "petty" change, and happened to get an anti-vandalism barnstar for getting this page semi-protected after the same IPs hung over about the XXL rating were also removing any mention of mixed criticism from the article. As you can see above, they just called it "bull", praised XXL, and used other articles as precedent for including it here. Also, I did not understand these, so could you clarify: "all XXL magazine ratings should be removed from the templates on recent album articles", "should they be removed too?", "there are no reviews panning the album. Does this mean that Metacritic is biased with its accumulated score?". Dan56 (talk) 22:34, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Dan 56 please stop tampering with my edits. as from now i will be making edits(sourced) to this page and please dont go changing edits i made on other pages.as for the xxl ranking i added it on there a few minutes after it was reviewed even though i had no profile on here then it is nt fair that it keeps getting removed.i will be editing this page as well as other pages which i feel are not being handled wellWayn12 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:27, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

With all due respect, your edit is unconstructive to the ratings template. You're not being objective, as a perfect score is not supporting a neutral point of view and depiction of critics' ratings, which is the point of the ratings template. Per Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_guide#Album_ratings_template, the reviews chosen should be in keeping with a neutral point of view. So far, you have provided no encyclopedic reason for replacing Spin's revscore with XXL's, so why would anyone accept your change? Dan56 (talk) 00:32, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm more inclined to agree with Dan56 on this issue, based on his reasoning above. Please be careful of entering a edit war and use the talk page to resolve the issue, rather than pushing your opinion. Noom _talk ^stalk 00:34, 1 August 2012 (UTC)