Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Kumioko 2

Kumioko

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Nomination

Kumioko (talk · contribs) I know that some editors do not like self nominations but I am going to do it anyway. For those that aren't already familiar with me and my edits here is a little bit about myslef and my editing. I started editing June 4, 2007, in April 2008 I made my first try for adminship and swore I would never do it again. I guess I lied but I did wait 4 years to do it. In June 2010 was the 1st time I made more than 10, 000 edits in a month and the month I made my 100, 000th edit. In December 2010 was the most edits I completed in 1 month (30, 654). In January 2011 - Made my 200, 000th edit and December 5, 2011 I Exceeded 300, 000. I am on pace to hit 400, 000 in about December or January. My primary reason for applying this time is because it seems like requests are taking longer and longer to get filled, more and more experienced admins are leaving or getting banned, and frankly I believe I have been here long enough and have enough experience that at this point there is no reason why I shouldn't be able to edit a protected article or block a persistent vandal. If I could get the tools any other way than enduring the RFA process I would but its currently the only way so if this is what I have to do then so be it.

I had some trouble with my account a few months ago and the admins had to do some magic to fix it so my count won't come out right. In order to get it right you'll have to look at User:Kumioko and User:Kumioko (renamed) both and add the totals up. Here is a link to a page I created August 8th, 2012 that combines them for ease of review. Kumioko (talk) 01:10, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?

Over the last few years I have been active in a wide array of things. I can honestly say I would probably do a broad spectrum of tasks but primarily I will probably concentrate on the following things:

1. Helping out with protected edit requests which frequently has a several day to weeks backlog
2. Helping out at the various Village pumps and the Teahouse
3. Working on things like Database reports
4. Work relating to maintaining and improving WikiProject United States and the 93+Projects supported by it and the aricles supported by those projects.

2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?

There are a couple of things that I am particularly proud of. First I have been active in creating and improving content related to American Medal of Honor recipients. Many of the Featured and Good content I have worked on relates to that and many of the articles I have created also relates to that topic. I also think that the work I have done with rebuilding and maintaining WikiProject United States and the roughly 93 projects it supports has had a huge impact. I have also done a lot of work in standardizing the WikiProject banners and cleaning up the talk pages.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

Yes, anyone who says otherwise in Wikipedia is probably not telling the whole story or hasn't been here very long. Very few editors or admins make it their entire time in Wikipedia without encountering some sort of conflict with another editor. The culture of Wikipedia, unfortunately, can be a very hostile place and disagreements are fairly common. This last February I was engaged in a dispute over whether a WikiProject had the right to tell another WikiProject they couldn't tag an article. I argued that one WikiProject did not have the right to tell another they couldn't and that it amounted to article ownership. I reverted a couple of his edits as what I saw as vandalism and submitted the issue to ANI. I was then blocked for edit warring, got very angry and did everything to try and appeal it with nothing but frustration in the system to show for it and almost left the pedia over the ordeal.

Additional question from Someguy1221

4. With regard to the village pumps, teahouse, database reports, and WikiProjects that you mention in your answer to Q1; what role do you think you will serve as an administrator that you could not serve as a regular editor?

There are a lot of things that relate to those areas that I cannot currently do. For example, in the Database reports there are a lot of obvious cleanup tasks that warrant speedy deletion but I cannot do it without the tools. Things come up fairly frequently in the Village pumps about protected templates, vandalism or a variety of other things I also cannot do. The tools will allow me to be more productive rather than just be the middle man referring the task out to someone else.Kumioko (talk) 02:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Additional question from PumpkinSky

5. You've been around a long time. How effective do you feel the socking and disruptive user polices are in regards to users who keep getting blocked/banned/etc but yet keep coming back and do you think those policies should be changed? If so, changed how?

Frankly I think both those policies could use some review but not everyone probably thinks that I don't think either are particularly effective. In fact I think in many respects they aggravate the problem more than relieve it. I think that a lot of users have tried to make an honest return but then their labelled as socks and in my opinion, often times, that just causes them to start hating the pedia and turn into a vandal or Puppet master for real since they are being blamed for it. I do also think that there are a lot of "disruptive edits" that are more a matter of opinion than disruptive. All too often I see people side with their friend than do the right thing. I really don't know how to change it, but I do know that they need to be reviewed.Kumioko (talk) 02:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Additional question from Atama

6. I appreciate your candor in mentioning the incident in February that led to your block, it would have come up anyway I'm sure and self-disclosure means you aren't hiding it. Some (including myself) might consider your behavior leading up to the block, and reaction to the block, to be unbecoming of an administrator. What are your feelings on that subject, would you have behaved differently if that event happened now, and why would you behave differently now (aside from wanting to avoid a block)?

Well to be honest I think a lot of people did things wrong including myself. I was hurt, frustrated and no matter what I said no one cared. That block was a bad one from the start and for all the wrong reasons. I was reverting edits that I felt and still feel to this day were in violation of Wikipedia's policies on article ownership and it was extremely innparopriate for the other editor to say that a project cannot tag an article that also fell under a project they were a member of. Everything that happened after it was just as bad and frankly I should have just let it go and left rather than take it to heart. Kumioko (talk) 02:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Followup from Dank: Are you saying you'd be happier now if you had left Wikipedia then, and if so, what changed your mind?

I don't think I would be happier per say. What I mean to say is that I lost a lot of credit so to speak with that incident and I'm not likely to get it back. It has been and will continue to be an uphill climb. As will be evident as this RFA continues I fear. It also severely hampered efforts to get WikiProject US going, its been extremely slow since then which is a direct result of my active participation as sort of the defacto leader of the project. What changed my mind was I saw WPUS and the projects it supports go untouched. No one stepped in to do the Newsletter, to run the collaboration or various other tasks. I knew that if I left then that project and all the work I did to get it back running would go to waste. I didn't want that to happen and I believe in the project so I stayed. Kumioko (talk) 03:41, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Additional question from Dennis Brown

7. I've just handed you a magic wand but it is only good for one trick. What aspect or area of Wikipedia do you use it on?

Overhauling the RFA process. Its emotionally draining, way too difficult and IMO its more of a hindrance to the pedia than a benefit. Everyone knows its broken, most who are familiar with it want to do something about it and a magic wand, a swish and a wish are about the only way it will ever get fixed.Kumioko (talk) 02:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

General comments

• Links for Kumioko: Kumioko (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi) + Kumioko (renamed) (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
• Edit summary usage for Kumioko can be found here & here.

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Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review their contributions before commenting.

Discussion

Support

1. He's right ... he's had a huge impact, and that more than compensates IMO for the occasional rough sailing. I've always been a fan of his work. - Dank (push to talk) 02:12, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
2. Strong Support. I don't see this passing in the slightest, but Kumi's someone who has had to fight uphill to get basic respect for a good chunk of his wiki-career, and the fact that he's still here after what he's been through says a lot. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 02:20, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
3. Completely agree with Dank and Wizardman. Jenks24 (talk) 02:40, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
4. I thought this was a reconfirmation when I first saw it listed. Since when are you not an admin? Master&Expert (Talk) 02:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

   What exactly happened last February? I see people giving "moral support" or just flat-out opposing "for obvious reasons" to quote Malleus below. Master&Expert (Talk) 03:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

   Something I lovingly refer to as Dramageddon. Its a rather long and complicated story but the short answer is this: I was adding WikiProject United States Banners to articles and another user felt that they should not be on WikiProject Connecticut articles and removed them (eventhough they were for one of the WPUS supported projects). I reverted as a violation of aricle ownership/vandalism and that went on for a few a while and I submitted an ANI. The user again reverted my reversion of their edits and I made a comment that I could keep doing that all day and an admin blocked me for 31 hours. I was extremely pissed because I felt that the other user should have at least been blocked as well as they did violate 3RR. That went on back and forth. Eventually I started editing again after a couple months and the other editor involved hasn't edited since early May. There's a bit more detail to it but that's it in a nutshell. Kumioko (talk) 03:30, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

5. In the last few days many editors have placed their trust with me even with my rocky boat. Per Dank and the hope Wizardman is wrong, this is my "pat it forward" and it seems we have similar interest [1]. Good luck, Mlpearc (powwow) 02:50, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
6. Love the answers to questions from Atama, Dennis, and myself.PumpkinSky talk 03:07, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
7. Support. Clueful and useful comments by this user, such as above, so no worries. Br'er Rabbi (talk) 03:32, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Moral support. Sigh. Glrx (talk) 02:48, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
2. Oppose, for all the obvious reasons. Malleus Fatuorum 03:03, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
3. Regretful oppose. I do appreciate your answer to my question, but I don't feel I can support this RfA, due to the way you reacted to frustration in the incident that lead you to create the new account. It's obviously not the way an administrator would be expected to react, and even though you may have learned from that experience, 6 months ago is too close for me. Someguy1221 (talk) 03:10, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem, with the RFA process as it is I doubt I'll pass either but I think I can be a lot more productive with the tools than to continue to edit without them. Just for clarification though, I didn't exactly create a new account. I intended to leave and locked my account, wiping out the password. After a while of fighting to redeem my honor I decided to edit again so after talking to a couple of the admins they moved the former account to Kumioko (renamed) and then I recreated the Kumioko account. Unfortunately the Wiki software isn't very well designed in the respect of recovering a password so it was the only way to fix it. Kumioko (talk) 03:23, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

1. Oppose. Kumioko, based on your past behavior under stress, I do not think you are even-tempered enough to remain calm in a hot dispute. Binksternet (talk) 03:40, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Moral support. Kumioko obviously cares a great deal about this project. I hope that whatever happens in this RfA, he will stick around and keep contributing productively, because Wikipedia needs people with his passion. 28bytes (talk) 02:32, 9 August 2012 (UTC)