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Welcome

Welcome!

Hello Renesis, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! RJFJR 20:52, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Laserfiche article

Hello, I notice that you have been active on removing linkspam on topics such as document management and records management. Because you seem to be quite knowledgeable and impartial, I'd like to invite you to weigh in with regards to whether or not Laserfiche should be included in Wikipedia. Because I am an employee at the company, my claims regarding Notability, NPOV and Verifiability are being taken with huge grains of salt and I feel that the little flame-fest that's erupted on the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laserfiche (second nomination) isn't going to be resolved by anything I say. --Docmgmt 18:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

oneworld article

Under Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks), it indicates that the first instance of a trademark can include special formatting or characters, so I was under the impression that the oneworld style was acceptable in the first paragraph of the article. Dbinder 03:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

UK Internet for Learning IP block

You wrote:

I propose blocking anonymouse users from the whole set (about .5 - .45) indefinitely, and allowing only valid user accounts (there is at least one administrator who accesses his user account from this range). Is this possible?

Unfortunately it is not. When an IP range is blocked all edits from the range are blocked, including editors with user accounts. I was on the fence before about blocking the whole range, the fact that there is an admin editing from the range as well as an increase in vandalism. I would like other people's attention--would it be possible for you to copy the discussion out of the archive and bring it up on WP:AN/I again? Thanks so much for looking into it. Demi ^T/_C 23:40, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't heard back from them. Have you discussed this with Celetianpower? User:Zoe|^(talk) 23:40, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Double Standards

Why did you remove my posts as spam? The page Task list clearly has a number of external links at the bottom to relevant software. My addition was entirely relevant and in keeping with the article. There are three existing examples of software that are externally linked yet you did not remove these - why?

Moog Software 23:30, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't take offense to my removal. There are a number of reasons I removed it.

The software in question does not have a Wikipedia article. (Thus, questionable notability; in other words, likely spam. See WP:CORP)
All of your other contributions have been to add the same or similar external link to several pages.
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia but not a web directory. If the software is relevant and notable, then it should be listed. I am not necessarily supporting those products already listed - just trying to monitor the addition of new listings.
Seeing as the software is by "Moog Software" and your username is Moogsoftware, I assumed you are involved. See: Wikipedia:Autobiography

I appreciate your dealing with this by talking to me. You obviously have good intentions. I personally feel the software is not notable enough to be written about in Wikipedia (keep in mind - Encyclopedia. See also: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not). The important point here is that even lists of software products on Wikipedia are not web directories - they are lists of notable products that have encyclopedic value. If you feel your product fits, I'd suggest bringing it up on the talk page for the article. Again, no offense meant. Thanks. -- Renesis13 23:39, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No offence taken, I see your point about the multiple links. I am new to wikipedia and I am still struggling to understand how to add content in keeping with the general theme (in particular how to add new pages?)

In looking back I believe that the addition to the external links on Task list is reasonable since it is an external link amidst other external links. I accept that the other entries were out of place.

However, given that you believe the software is not notable enough I would like to propose to you that I add a wikipedia article about Moog Software and about our philosophy. We are not a large site it is true but it is a philosophy which I believe should be aired in wikipedia and which I think should be linked to from the relevant areas. The crux of the philosophy is that people spend more time trying to use applications than they save by using the applications. They then lose significant productivity just through having to deal with the very tool that is supposed to be helping them. This has come about because of the perfect 'product problem' - if a company is selling a product that performs it's task in an optimal manner then they must invent solutions to imaginary problems to give the appearance of increased value in each subsequent version. This leads to feature bloat which leads ultimately to the degredation of the tool itself and diminished value to the end user. This is particularly true in the case of overly complex project management applications. Our solution is to make our products free which leaves us free to make them as simple and intuitive as possible. If you are amenable to this suggestion then this is how I will progress.

I would furthermore suggest that the existing programs on the Task list external links section are less notable than SimpleTODO. As evidence I show that ackerTodo's sourceforge project stats show download rates of around 20 to 40 per day yet SimpleTODO alone gains download rates far in excess of this. Major independant download site tucows for example shows it has a popularity rating of 92%. A very high popularity rating shared also by SimpleDesktop and SimpleBackup.

Given this would you suggest that the existing external links be removed or that SimpleTODO etc are added?

Your philosophy seems well founded, but part of notability is that there is a large enough group of people who would be looking for an entry about Moog Software for it to be necessary to include an article on it. You seem to have very good intentions and I hate to turn you down, but it does seem there are a couple policies that would contradict the article on Moog Software that you described or throw red flags up to other editors who may come across it:

Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought (Original research, personal essays, etc.) (see entry)
Wikipedia is not a soapbox (see entry)
Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files (see entry)
Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information (FAQs, "resource for conducting business", etc.) (see entry)

Wikipedia also highly discourages starting articles about yourself or your organization. Of course, this is all just my take, in repsonse to your request for my opinion. I would encourage you to read the policies yourself and try your best to see what you can do within them. I'd also encourage you to definitely try to get your message out using other appropriate means; it sounds like a good philosophy, but at this point probably not encyclopedic.

My advice to you is to use other forums and directories and such to spread your message, and stick around Wikipedia if you have the time to help. Your research on ackerTodo is highly helpful, and I would suggest removing that link from Task list, as it sounds like it was probably spammed onto there. Another thing you might do is to contact those involved in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam spam removal project and ask their opinion on your case. You are definitely going about it the right way by having participating in discussion, and I'm sure everyone appreciates that.

You could also go ahead and create the article, although the likelihood it will en up on Articles for Deletion is high. One reason I was monitoring the pages you modified was because earlier that day a president of another project management software company had gone around adding his links to all those pages. I checked his history, and in the past he created an article about his company, and that got deleted. He had links all over to his website, and they all got removed. It had been a few months so I guess he decided to try again. I appreciate you not going that route!

Hopefully someday you will have a strong enough influence that someone else will write an article about you! Good luck in the future, and keep in contact. Again, this is all just my take on the policy, and I am just trying to help. I'm perfectly happy to help you out however I can in the future. Thanks. -- Renesis13 18:42, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

wpspam invite

Hey there! I saw you reverting or removing linkspam. Thanks! If you're interested, come visit us in Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam so we can work together in our efforts to clean spam from Wikipedia. ~~~~ -- Perfecto 04:15, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Renesis, when you've got more than a moment, Tag 'em to stop 'em. Thanks. --Perfecto 07:48, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chernobyl Edits

You removed a large portion of the section regarding the translation of wormwood and its comparison to Chernobyl. I have been muling over these changes, and I strongly question your removal of the sections that are purely factual and not POV. I am curious as to why you believe these sections should be excluded from the article. Thanks, --Matthew 02:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you are referring to my first change... First I removed "urban myth," because for Wikipedia to be truly NPOV, not only can it not support interpretations of prophetic or religious works (or interpretations of any works, for that matter), but it also cannot reject interpretations. Rather, it should merely report in a neutral way the facts relating to the subject. It is a fact that some people believe the Chernobyl accident was prophesied in the bible. It is not a fact, however, that this has been disproved. The word myth is thrown in to present the idea immediately as false, and is definite POV. (I think weasel words applies here.)

Second, I removed the following paragraph:

It is important to note that, according to theologians, the Book of Revelation is a book of prophecy, and that the events of the book take place in the future as a series, not isolated events throughout time. Theologically speaking, such interpretations are incorrect and taken out of context.

This paragraph has several flaws. First, it says "according to theologians", which pretty much discounts the rest of the paragraph as more "weasel words" (opinion attributed to an anonymous source). Second, it states as fact a direct interpretation of the Book of Revelation based purely on conjecture (that the noted "theologians" in fact know how the series of events was intended to take place). Third, the last sentence (starting with "Theologically speaking") draws a conclusion of assertion that the "urban myth" is false. I see no way to prove or disprove this, unless we travel back in time to speak to the author of Revelation and even then, we'd only be able to take him at his word.

Another reason for the removal is that "Chornobyl" in fact does refer to a type of "wormwood"—the problem is just that the translation in the other direction (English to Ukranian) is not as direct. The paragraph about the meaning of the word was incomprehensible, as well as misleading. This is the reason for my second edit. I tried to reformat the paragraph to better reflect the real meaning of the word, as I understand it from Chernobyl#Name origin.

What section do you feel I removed that was purely factual? -- Renesis13 03:45, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your removal of the biblical piece and the its associated POV, I was specifically refering to the text you removed in your edit on | February 8, 2006 at 13:12 EST:

"The name of the city comes from the Ukrainian word for mugwort (Artemisia vulgaris), which is "chornobyl". The word is a combination of chornyi (чорний, black) and byllia (билля, grass blades or stalks), hence it literally means black grass or black stalks."

As well as:

"Chernobyl also could be translated as mugwort because the two had very similar properties, such as the plants looked almost identical, had a very bitter taste and had effects on people's moods."

I am not a linguist, nor familiar with these languages, but these paragraphs seem to me as if they are factual and are not really POV statements. Do you believe these statements are incorrect? --Matthew 18:21, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't remove that text because of POV, but because it was difficult to understand and a little misleading. According to the first section of Chernobyl, "Chornobyl" is the Ukranian word for "Mugwort" (which according to Wikipedia, is "common wormwood"). Then it goes on to explain where the word chornobyl comes from, and says it means "black grass" or "black stalks". This is fairly irrelevant (in the context of the Chernobyl Accident/Wormwood discussion), since it already stated that "chornobyl" is the word for "mugwort/common wormwood". I did not remove it from the article Chernobyl, but rather tried to summarize the relevant information from that article. I felt the way it was before was a little misleading because it was as if it was trying to also say that Chornobyl does not translate to a type of wormwood (it does, as far as I can tell).

Overall, I was just trying to make it more understandable. The second paragraph ("Chernobyl also could be translated...") didn't really make any sense, because it is translated as "mugwort" in the first place, and in the second place what does it mean by "the two"? Anyway, that information may be useful if anyone else can verify what it is trying to say. I couldn't tell and don't have the experience to know. The section on the meaning of wormwood had been that way for several months (see my request for cleanup on the talk page) and I felt I could at least make it match the Chernobyl article better. I think it is more understandable now. If you don't agree, what do you think should happen? -- Renesis13 18:41, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am inclined to agree with you that the section is a bit confusing, but it would be benefical to the article to have a piece that addresses the translations of "wormword" and "Chernobyl" more throughly. I am also inclined to think the article was better with the section than without it, but if you have a problem with including it we can ditch it. I really feel that just saying that the translation is disputed is sort of a cop out though. There is probably a right and wrong translation and a linguist would probably be able to explain it better. I think we should endeavour to find a proper, well justified translation rather than just cop out. I will attempt to find such a source. --Matthew 21:58, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject Perth

Hi there, i just stopped by to say hello and to welcome you to the Wikiproject Perth. I hope you are able to help us to make Perth related articles better! --Ali K 00:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support

Thanks for fixing Le Matin, and for your explicit support. I have been taking quite a lot of ad hominem hostility over this. Fortunately, a few more editors are deciding to do the same. If you would like to do some delinking yourself, I would be more than happy if you used my regex at User:Bobblewik/monobook.js/dates.js.

If you need any help getting it going, let me know. Regards bobblewik 08:27, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome. I have tried to install the script but it doesn't seem to be working. I edited User:Renesis13/monobook.js but it seems to be all out of order now. On the subject of delinking dates, I can't understand all the babble about needing consensus and WP:POINT... last I checked we don't need consensus to implement the guidelines in the MoS. Linked years are especially useless. I'd be glad to help, though I certainly won't be as fast as you. Keep it up... as soon as you are unblocked anyway. P.S., is there a discussion going on about the "controversy" of this practice? I'd like to put my voice in to support the delinking of years, month names, and day names. --Renesis13 03:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

oneworld/Oneworld, etc.

I should have incorporated the redirect fix into another edit; sorry about that. As for the WP policy, I don't see why trademarks that are normally written in all lowercase need to be capitalized. Press realeases of member airlines all say oneworld, not Oneworld. If SkyTeam should be up to the editors, then shouldn't oneworld be as well? Note: I am not writing this from any kind of biased perspective; in fact, I hate American Airlines, one of the leading carriers of the alliance. I just believe that trademarks should be written as intended (within reason) Dbinder 23:57, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two naming conventions questions.

I am by far the master of the naming convention, but heres my $0.02. The Avoid non-alpha characters part of NAME was most in response to article with nonsense characters being added to draw attention, or look special. There a few a few good reasons for naming conventions: They make articles likely to be wikilinked; they help our professional image; they provide useful search results; and the make entries appear correctly in lists, indexes, etc. As far the two articles you mentioned here's my thoughts:

)Project open(

The swapping of brackets for parenthesis does not seem to be very helpful. Anyone who isn’t very familiar with this special name is likely to try to link to this via the exiting redirector at Project open. I would support deleting the redirect page, then moving this page to Project open, but keeping the technical restrictions disclaimer regarding the omitted brackets. If consensus is gathered on the talk page for this, I’ll do a rename if you talk page me on it.

Oneworld (airlines)

This one’s a bit trickier, and isn’t a naming conventions issue, but still a MOS matter. I have no feelings one way or another as to it showing as ’’’one’’’world or ’’’oneworld’’’. What does look bad is the inconsistent mixing of case on the ’’o’’ throughout the article. The corporate site suggesting always using lowercase, and that seems appropriate in the article.

Hope this helps! -- xaosflux ^Talk/_CVU 01:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Task list section removal

Hi Renesis13, I think the removal of the External Links section was a good decision. It seemed to be a magnet for spam links; I've removed links from there before. Is there some policy to cut down on the .com links in such articles? ChemGardener 02:14, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: School IP

12 vandalisms per day? Oh no, how terrible. </sarcasm> Have you every been in the vandalism channel? About that much comes in every 2 minutes. 12 is a very small amount comparatively. Also, how much do I unblock, once every two days? It's reblocked pretty soon anyway so I don't really see much of an issue. I feel that something is being made of nothing here, impacting me in the process. Plus, I often revert vandalism to pages of my watchlist at school, when I see it. Probably a few a day. This, and any good article editing or commenting I do, surely cancels out 12 vandalisms each day? --Celestianpower ^háblame 17:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Okay, I now understand you and see your point. Sorry for my uncivility. I don't really know what to do about it then - I suppose I'll have to not edit from school, how moronic. Whatever happened to that proposal to distinguish between IP edits and accounts - surely that would solve all of my problems. --Celestianpower ^háblame 17:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I could, but often I'm told to get of the computer pretty sharpish and then I won't have time to find the block page and reblock. Plus, both pages are quite difficult to find, especially since favourites don't work at school. Anywho, that's not for you to worry about. Thanks for baring with my incivility, --Celestianpower ^háblame 18:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

vandal to be blocked

I just reverted this edit by the user you already warned several times — MFH:Talk 02:10, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AfD

Hi Renesis. I just wanted to let you know, with regards to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicholas BARBARO, that talk pages w/o articles meet our criteria for speedy deletion (general criterion #8); you could have just tagged the talk page for speedy deletion. Thanks for spotting that talk page, though. Keep up the good work. ×Meegs 05:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lowercase

Thanks very much for pointing me at the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks), it's very helpful! Also, if you have time, would you be interested in participating in the discussion on the matter at Talk:Danah boyd? I've been trying to help out there, but with the number of anonymous users coming as a result of Boyd's blog post, I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed. Some help from another Wikipedian who can help explain Wikipedia guidelines would be much appreciated. --Elonka 00:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Commercial Players

Hello, Renesis. Welcome to wiki. In regard to PLM (and perhaps other disciplines on the ever-advancing computational horizon, of which, wikipedia is one phenomenon), the commercial players were/are very much part of the landscape and were/are instrumental in the progress (in part, of course) and are relevant (not extraneous) to any description/discussion. One precedence (of several) is that all NYSE listed companies (and, perhaps many others) are on reference pages. Now, the issue might be how to do the reference so as to not look like marketing. Thanks. jmswtlk 02:37, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Danah Boyd

Thanks for the edits, and I agree. I'd also like to see about getting formal consensus to move the article from "Danah boyd" to "Danah Boyd", per MoS, and also to avoid redirect problems from other linking articles on Wikipedia (the standard spelling in them seems to be Danah Boyd). What is your opinion? --Elonka 17:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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+==[[Laserfiche]] article==
+Hello, I notice that you have been active on removing linkspam on topics such as document management and records management.  Because you seem to be quite knowledgeable and impartial, I'd like to invite you to weigh in with regards to whether or not [[Laserfiche]] should be included in Wikipedia.  Because I am an employee at the company, my claims regarding Notability, NPOV and Verifiability are being taken with huge grains of salt and I feel that the little flame-fest that's erupted on the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laserfiche (second nomination)]] isn't going to be resolved by anything I say.   --[[User:Docmgmt|Docmgmt]] 18:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 ==[[oneworld]] article==