User talk:Spartaz

Spartaz (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

What again?

I'm a long term user (first edit 2006) and have been an admin on or off since 2007. When we first started there was so much idealism and we really had no strong policies about inclusion except a desire to have some level of sourcing. As time moved on we became more structured and around the time I became an admin in 2007 we were grappling with the concept of collapsing non notable articles into lists which I was at the forefront of as a regular afd closer and constant presence at DRV. I had a lot of patience once and for that reason was regular DRV closer for a long time after GR Berry left the project. Sadly, my patience was degraded over time and getting involved in the PORNBIO wars pretty much washed out a lot of the good faith that policy and courtesy quite rightly requires us to show. This was again a major change in our approach to content and one of the first SNGs that was deprecated in favour of a more rigid approach to proper sourcing. Since then our content in this area has become much better and we are seeing similar struggles now in the sports arena where SNGs are slowly giving way to GNG level standards.

I have always taken a very legalistic approach to closing discussions that I recognise does not fit well to the current community standard, where low participation level allowing more brigading of votes or allowing more non-policy based arguments. For this reason I'm not really closing discussions but will still happily review old closes. Otherwise I mostly review and nominate unsuitable content as a BLP is a serious matter and needs to be properly sourced.

i am willing to userfy deleted articles for improvement as long as there is a reasonable likelihood that they can be saved. If you are challenging a deletion, do you have three good sources?

Useful Links:

• Deletion Review
• Articles for Deletion
• Unblocks

Please don't leave talkback templates as I always watchlist pages when I edit and I'm perfectly capable of looking for a reply myself.

please stay in the top three tiers

Barmy Jeffers AfD

Hi. You closed WP:Articles for deletion/Barmy Jeffers as redirect, but its logs show that you deleted it, and its history shows no redirect. It seems like a script error to me; do you remember what you intended to do? Thanks. Flatscan (talk) 04:29, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I do often delete content when I redirect if the content is unsourced but I have no recollection of what my intent was here. Spartaz ^Humbug! 05:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Andrew Stone

Hey, Andrew Stone is in the starting eleven for Indy. See here. Can you put the article that you deleted last month back up since it meet WP:NFOOTBALL. – Michael (talk) 23:33, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

• Another issue at the AFD was GNG and its not uncommon for articles to be deleted even if they meet an SNG if they are BLPs that fail GNG. I'd like to see sourcing about Stone. Thanks. Spartaz ^Humbug! 05:01, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

• I understand GNG, but the fact that this is a rookie that now meets WP:NFOOTBALL means that the article would just need improving. – Michael (talk) 03:57, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

• Please undelete this article that you deleted 4 weeks ago at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Stone (footballer). Now that he has made a fully professional appearance, as he did 2 days ago, the arguments of the 4 delete votes at the AFD are no longer valid. No one argued at AFD that the article should be deleted even if WP:NFOOTY was met. As I noted at AFD the original nomination was unnecessary and a waste of everyone's time, and we'd simply be recreating the article in a few weeks later. I see no need to drag this out any further by starting a DRV process. Thanks, Nfitz (talk) 17:24, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

• Historically this is something I would undelete but recently there has been a real move to require BLPs to pass GNG even if they pass an SNG. Usually NFOOTY is stricter so we delete even if GNG is met. I'd like you to run this through DRV so I can have a guide what to do next time a situation like this arises. Thanks. Spartaz ^Humbug! 19:09, 19 May 2014 (UTC)