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*Despatche is the same as the various IPs - The IRC logs (previously available [wikipedialogs.com here]) showed that User:75.177.117.137 identified himself as Despatche on Nov 23, 2013 at 19:23 when he posted "i can't do this anymore, ..." Further evidence comes via [[WP:SIGNS]]: |
*Despatche is the same as the various IPs - The IRC logs (previously available [http://wikipedialogs.com here]) showed that User:75.177.117.137 identified himself as Despatche on Nov 23, 2013 at 19:23 when he posted "i can't do this anymore, ..." Further evidence comes via [[WP:SIGNS]]: |
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**[[WP:GEOSOCK|Geography]] - This IP editor geolocates to Thomasville, NC. All of the IPs geolocate to the Davidson County, NC area. |
**[[WP:GEOSOCK|Geography]] - This IP editor geolocates to Thomasville, NC. All of the IPs geolocate to the Davidson County, NC area. |
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**[[WP:REPEATING|Repeating the same disapproved activity]] - Despatche's principal concern at Wikipedia is video game article naming. He gets into editing conflicts when he believes that the official name (for which his typical source is his private interpretation of the box art) is at odds with the common name. All of his IP accounts demonstrate this preoccupation with an original-research-based "official name". |
**[[WP:REPEATING|Repeating the same disapproved activity]] - Despatche's principal concern at Wikipedia is video game article naming. He gets into editing conflicts when he believes that the official name (for which his typical source is his private interpretation of the box art) is at odds with the common name. All of his IP accounts demonstrate this preoccupation with an original-research-based "official name". ('''diffs''': Compare Despatche title-related edits like {{Diff2|582169031|this}} and {{Diff2|577757743|this}} with the identical title-related edit by 75.177.119.25 like {{Diff2|645254649|this}} and {{Diff2|606740155|this}} which led editors in [[Talk:Illusion of Gaia#the japanese title|this thread]] to recognize 75.177.119.25 as Despatche. Compare further with identical edits of 75.177.117.137 {{Diff2|597222711|here}}, 174.111.75.6 {{Diff2|517187699|here}}, 174.111.86.22 {{Diff2|432793475|here}}, 174.111.81.238 {{Diff2|495653380|here}}, and 174.111.82.239 {{Diff2|368867730|here}}) |
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**[[WP:IDENTICAL|Editing identical articles]] -<br/>[[Dariusburst]] ('''diffs''': {{Diff2|431326037|Despatche edit}}, {{Diff2|431323407|174.111.86.22 edit}}, {{Diff2|472715808|174.111.81.238 edit}}, {{Diff2|364977730|174.111.82.239 edit}});<br/> [[Arthur to Astaroth no Nazomakaimura: Incredible Toons]] ('''diffs''': {{Diff2|446816087|174.111.81.238 edit}}, {{Diff2|446908022|Despatche edit}}, {{Diff2|603040713|75.177.119.25 edit}});<br/> [[Metroid: Zero Mission]] ('''diffs''': {{Diff2|445889817|174.111.81.238 edit}}, {{Diff2|584556021|75.177.117.137}}, {{Diff2|557279965|Despatche edit}}).<br/> There is also considerable overlap in edits at "[[Ghosts 'n Goblins]]" and "[[Ghosts 'n Goblins (series)]]" (edited by 174.111.81.238, 174.111.86.22, and Despatche). |
**[[WP:IDENTICAL|Editing identical articles]] -<br/>[[Dariusburst]] ('''diffs''': {{Diff2|431326037|Despatche edit}}, {{Diff2|431323407|174.111.86.22 edit}}, {{Diff2|472715808|174.111.81.238 edit}}, {{Diff2|364977730|174.111.82.239 edit}});<br/> [[Arthur to Astaroth no Nazomakaimura: Incredible Toons]] ('''diffs''': {{Diff2|446816087|174.111.81.238 edit}}, {{Diff2|446908022|Despatche edit}}, {{Diff2|603040713|75.177.119.25 edit}});<br/> [[Metroid: Zero Mission]] ('''diffs''': {{Diff2|445889817|174.111.81.238 edit}}, {{Diff2|584556021|75.177.117.137}}, {{Diff2|557279965|Despatche edit}}).<br/> There is also considerable overlap in edits at "[[Ghosts 'n Goblins]]" and "[[Ghosts 'n Goblins (series)]]" (edited by 174.111.81.238, 174.111.86.22, and Despatche). |
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**[[WP:OTHERSITES|Off-wiki activity]] - Despatche's Twitter feed closely matches the events in the editing history of User:75.177.119.25. Similar behavior and identical topic areas are apparent at other wikis where this editor has edited including [http://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.177.117.137 MetroidWiki], [http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.177.117.137 StrategyWiki], [http://www.mariowiki.com/Special:Contributions/75.177.119.25 MarioWiki], and [http://www.khwiki.com/Special:Contributions/75.177.119.25 KHWiki]. |
**[[WP:OTHERSITES|Off-wiki activity]] - Despatche's Twitter feed closely matches the events in the editing history of User:75.177.119.25. Similar behavior and identical topic areas are apparent at other wikis where this editor has edited including [http://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.177.117.137 MetroidWiki] (compare comments about Wikipedia [http://www.metroidwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mecha_Ridley&diff=prev&oldid=50196 here] to Despatche's favorite topic areas listed immediately above in this SPI at "Editing identical articles"), [http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.177.117.137 StrategyWiki] (note typical edits like [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=Crystalis&diff=prev&oldid=686089 this] and Despatche-style conflicts over article naming like [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Notmyhandle&oldid=708443#re:_nonsense_on_talk_page this]), [http://www.mariowiki.com/Special:Contributions/75.177.119.25 MarioWiki], and [http://www.khwiki.com/Special:Contributions/75.177.119.25 KHWiki] (compare comments about Wikipedia [http://www.khwiki.com/Talk:Kingdom_Hearts_HD_1.5_ReMIX here] to Despatche's comments [[Talk:Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 Remix#Requested move 2|at the related Wikipedia article]]). |
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*Sockpuppetry during the Nov 24-Dec 1 block - '''diffs''': {{Diff2|583302386|1}}, {{Diff2|583302619|2}}, {{Diff2|583872615|3}} |
*Sockpuppetry during the Nov 24-Dec 1 block - '''diffs''': {{Diff2|583302386|1}}, {{Diff2|583302619|2}}, {{Diff2|583872615|3}} |
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*Denials that he is User:Despatche - '''diffs''':{{Diff2|607624078|1}}, {{Diff2|607651646|2}}, {{Diff2|607713842|3}}, {{Diff2|607771442|4}}, {{Diff2|607859463|5}} |
*Denials that he is User:Despatche - '''diffs''':{{Diff2|607624078|1}}, {{Diff2|607651646|2}}, {{Diff2|607713842|3}}, {{Diff2|607771442|4}}, {{Diff2|607859463|5}} |
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<small>''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Guidance#Defending yourself against claims|Defending yourself against claims]].''</small> |
<small>''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Guidance#Defending yourself against claims|Defending yourself against claims]].''</small> |
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*Re: Checkuser comments: |
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**{{tq|Just because someone once had an account doesn't mean they can no longer stop using that account or that they are forbidden from editing as an IP.}} - I think I understand what you mean, but this isn't just a matter of a neutral editor who forgot to log |
**{{tq|Just because someone once had an account doesn't mean they can no longer stop using that account or that they are forbidden from editing as an IP.}} - I think I understand what you mean, but this isn't just a matter of a neutral editor who forgot to log back in or who is trying to effect a clean start. The supposed master has been blocked several times for edit warring and refusing to follow the article title policy, WP:UCN. These blocks have been escalated in the past due to [[WP:IDHT|"I didn't hear that" behavior]]. The use of IPs following the claimed retirement of the supposed master means that the escalation of blocks is unlikely unless the supposed IP sock admits that he is the same as the supposed master. The diffs previously provided show that the supposed IP sock actively denies that he is the same as the supposed master. I regard this as "[[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry#Editing while logged out|actively try[ing] to deceive other editors, such as by directly saying that [he does] not have an account]]" (an activity that is spelled out under Wikipedia's [[WP:SOCK|sock puppetry policy]]). |
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**{{tq|We don't care who is editing non-WMF sites and I do not understand why that information is being provided here}} - Off-wiki information is presented as evidence per [[WP:OTHERSITES]]. I |
**{{tq|We don't care who is editing non-WMF sites and I do not understand why that information is being provided here}} - Off-wiki information is presented as evidence per [[WP:OTHERSITES]]. I could connect more of the dots if necessary, but I'm not sure if it would be considered [[WP:OUTING|outing]] to link the Twitter account. Please advise. |
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**I will provide further diffs to show "repeating the same disapproved activity" as soon as I can. Thank you for preemptively considering a CheckUser check. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 02:42, 15 February 2015 (UTC) |
**I will provide further diffs to show "repeating the same disapproved activity" as soon as I can. Thank you for preemptively considering a CheckUser check. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 02:42, 15 February 2015 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 04:35, 15 February 2015
Despatche
- Despatche (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
05 February 2015
– A checkuser has declined a request for CheckUser, and the case is now awaiting a behavioural investigation.
- Suspected sockpuppets
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This is a case of "editing logged out to mislead". Some 15 months ago a 1-week block was issued to User:Despatche for disruptive editing (this was his second block and it followed the normal practice of block-escalation). Some examples of his incivility, edit warring, and outspoken refusals to follow community policies like WP:UCN are documented here. Rather than waiting-out his block, Despatche instead chose to put up a retirement notice and to evade the block, carrying on his disruption with another account (User:75.177.117.137). That act of sockpuppetry went undiscovered and it is old news now, but it shows the mindset of the individual here. Wikipedia's rules are only suggestions for him.
Currently Despatche edits under the name User:75.177.119.25. This appears to be a stable IP address (in use since March 2014) that serves as this editor's primary alternate account. In May 2014, Atlan noticed that there were similarities between the behavior of User:Despatche and User:75.177.119.25. User:75.177.119.25 was advised to edit while logged in, but his response was to claim that he was not Despatche and that he viewed such suggestions as harassment (links provided in evidence below). This is of course a direct violation of Wikipedia:Sock puppetry#Editing while logged out - "Editors who are not logged in must not actively try to deceive other editors, such as by directly saying that they do not have an account
".
Like Atlan I balked at filing this report in March and instead advised the editor (under the theory that he was attempting a WP:CLEANSTART) to avoid the same kinds of edits in the same topic areas where he had been causing problems before. He has chosen not to stop this behavior and has for the past year been systematically going through obscure articles altering them to fit his original research. His denial of the fact that he is the same as User:Despatche leads me to believe that he is trying to evade the community's scrutiny (he has a reputation in the community for aggressive edit warring over "official titles"), and that his use of the current IP account is a means to dodge possible escalating blocks associated with his named account.
With this report I am seeking a block of the main IP account (75.177.119.25) with the hope that this will encourage the editor to resume using his currently non-blocked named account. Alternately if the editor in question wishes to make a clean start then I would again urge him to re-read WP:CLEANSTART and to avoid the topic areas where he has been editing and engaging in the disapproved activity he has been engaging in (i.e. trying to impose his original-research-based ideas of which official titles trump WP:UCN).
- Evidence
- Despatche is the same as the various IPs - The IRC logs (previously available here) showed that User:75.177.117.137 identified himself as Despatche on Nov 23, 2013 at 19:23 when he posted "i can't do this anymore, ..." Further evidence comes via WP:SIGNS:
- Geography - This IP editor geolocates to Thomasville, NC. All of the IPs geolocate to the Davidson County, NC area.
- Repeating the same disapproved activity - Despatche's principal concern at Wikipedia is video game article naming. He gets into editing conflicts when he believes that the official name (for which his typical source is his private interpretation of the box art) is at odds with the common name. All of his IP accounts demonstrate this preoccupation with an original-research-based "official name". (diffs: Compare Despatche title-related edits like this and this with the identical title-related edit by 75.177.119.25 like this and this which led editors in this thread to recognize 75.177.119.25 as Despatche. Compare further with identical edits of 75.177.117.137 here, 174.111.75.6 here, 174.111.86.22 here, 174.111.81.238 here, and 174.111.82.239 here)
- Editing identical articles -
Dariusburst (diffs: Despatche edit, 174.111.86.22 edit, 174.111.81.238 edit, 174.111.82.239 edit);
Arthur to Astaroth no Nazomakaimura: Incredible Toons (diffs: 174.111.81.238 edit, Despatche edit, 75.177.119.25 edit);
Metroid: Zero Mission (diffs: 174.111.81.238 edit, 75.177.117.137, Despatche edit).
There is also considerable overlap in edits at "Ghosts 'n Goblins" and "Ghosts 'n Goblins (series)" (edited by 174.111.81.238, 174.111.86.22, and Despatche). - Off-wiki activity - Despatche's Twitter feed closely matches the events in the editing history of User:75.177.119.25. Similar behavior and identical topic areas are apparent at other wikis where this editor has edited including MetroidWiki (compare comments about Wikipedia here to Despatche's favorite topic areas listed immediately above in this SPI at "Editing identical articles"), StrategyWiki (note typical edits like this and Despatche-style conflicts over article naming like this), MarioWiki, and KHWiki (compare comments about Wikipedia here to Despatche's comments at the related Wikipedia article).
- Sockpuppetry during the Nov 24-Dec 1 block - diffs: 1, 2, 3
- Denials that he is User:Despatche - diffs:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
- Warnings that editing while logged out to evade scrutiny will result in an SPI filing and recommendations to follow WP:CLEANSTART - diffs:1, 2, 3, 4
- Thibbs (talk) 16:06, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Comments by other users
Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
- Re: Checkuser comments:
Just because someone once had an account doesn't mean they can no longer stop using that account or that they are forbidden from editing as an IP.
- I think I understand what you mean, but this isn't just a matter of a neutral editor who forgot to log back in or who is trying to effect a clean start. The supposed master has been blocked several times for edit warring and refusing to follow the article title policy, WP:UCN. These blocks have been escalated in the past due to "I didn't hear that" behavior. The use of IPs following the claimed retirement of the supposed master means that the escalation of blocks is unlikely unless the supposed IP sock admits that he is the same as the supposed master. The diffs previously provided show that the supposed IP sock actively denies that he is the same as the supposed master. I regard this as "actively try[ing] to deceive other editors, such as by directly saying that [he does] not have an account" (an activity that is spelled out under Wikipedia's sock puppetry policy).We don't care who is editing non-WMF sites and I do not understand why that information is being provided here
- Off-wiki information is presented as evidence per WP:OTHERSITES. I could connect more of the dots if necessary, but I'm not sure if it would be considered outing to link the Twitter account. Please advise.- I will provide further diffs to show "repeating the same disapproved activity" as soon as I can. Thank you for preemptively considering a CheckUser check. -Thibbs (talk) 02:42, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
- Clerk note: Haven't had the opportunity to analyze the evidence "in-depth", but I remember vividly interacting with the account, and from the diffs Thibbs linked to as "denials", I get a very strong gut feeling that we are dealing with the same editor. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 16:56, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- Checkuser comments: The supposed master is Stale with last edits in November 2013. Most of the IPs listed above are related to the IP that was previously linked to the the supposed master. We don't care who is editing non-WMF sites and I do not understand why that information is being provided here. And no, just because someone once had an account doesn't mean they can no longer stop using that account or that they are forbidden from editing as an IP. So...maybe start all over again, keep out the extraneous data, and explain clearly why all those IP addresses should be associated with the master account - something that is normally not done by checkusers. Perhaps list any suspected sock named accounts in the upper section. In the interim, I am declining. Risker (talk) 18:11, 14 February 2015 (UTC)