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The name of Agha Shahid's father Agha Ashraf Ali is already mentioned in the article.<small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Zehnaseeb|Zehnaseeb]] ([[User talk:Zehnaseeb|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zehnaseeb|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
The name of Agha Shahid's father Agha Ashraf Ali is already mentioned in the article.<small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Zehnaseeb|Zehnaseeb]] ([[User talk:Zehnaseeb|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zehnaseeb|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
: Yes, we all know what ''matriculate'' means. But as I read the article, Syed Hussain was the first [[Kashmir]]i ''ever'' to matriculate, which is an astonishing claim, and requires [[WP:EXCEPTIONAL|exceptional proof]]. As to the claim of being the "first Muslim judge", he apparently was one of the three founding judges of High Court of Judicature in [[Jammu and Kashmir|J&K]], but [http://jkhighcourt.nic.in/history.html the cited source] does not mention him being the first Muslim judge. Surely, Islam had existed for over 1200 years when Hussain was seated as a judge; there must have been Muslim judges before him, if not necessarily in Kashmir, which did not appear to have a judicial system prior to Hussain's appointment. <font color="green">[[User:WikiDan61|WikiDan61]]</font><font color="green" size="5px"></font><sup>[[User talk:WikiDan61|ChatMe!]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/WikiDan61|ReadMe!!]]</sub> 19:50, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
: Yes, we all know what ''matriculate'' means. But as I read the article, Syed Hussain was the first [[Kashmir]]i ''ever'' to matriculate, which is an astonishing claim, and requires [[WP:EXCEPTIONAL|exceptional proof]]. As to the claim of being the "first Muslim judge", he apparently was one of the three founding judges of High Court of Judicature in [[Jammu and Kashmir|J&K]], but [http://jkhighcourt.nic.in/history.html the cited source] does not mention him being the first Muslim judge. Surely, Islam had existed for over 1200 years when Hussain was seated as a judge; there must have been Muslim judges before him, if not necessarily in Kashmir, which did not appear to have a judicial system prior to Hussain's appointment. <font color="green">[[User:WikiDan61|WikiDan61]]</font><font color="green" size="5px"></font><sup>[[User talk:WikiDan61|ChatMe!]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/WikiDan61|ReadMe!!]]</sub> 19:50, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes indeed Sayed Hussain was the first Kashmiri to Matriculate. With due Respects i would like to mention that the sources are many. including noted writer Amitav Ghosh who has written a chapter in his book "The Imam and the Indian, Chapter name "the Ghat of the only World". there is a mention of how Agha Shahid's Great Grandfather Aga Syed Hussain rose to prominence after passing his Matriculation. Also there is mention about this in the book Kasheer by G M Din Sofi, An urdu journal "Hakim Ul ummat" mentions the same. Certainly Sayed hussain was not the only and First judge in the History of Islam. The article specifically mentions the First Muslim judge and Minister in Dogra Rule. with due respects one has to study the History of Kashmir during the Dogra rule. Historians alone can understand the importance of a Kashmiri Muslim reaching to prominence. Book by Mridu Rai. "Hindu Rulers, Muslim Subjects" is enough example. another Book The Kashmir of SM Abdullah by C Bilquees Taseer. Kashmiris Muslims during the Dogras were the most suppressed. Begar was a common thing. this article mentions how a muslim rose to prominence despite the hatred towards the Muslim Community at that time when nobody could see the light of a School, Education..not to talk of entering services of the Autocratic Maharaja. it might help the students of History in understand how few Muslims managed to make a mark despite all odds in the small state of the Indian Continent, though an independent country during that period.
With Best wishes.thanks

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Non-notable person. Claims of significance are either unclear (first matriculate of Kashmir? what does that mean?) or are of limited significance and are not verified by reliable sources (first Muslim judge and only Muslim minister in the Dogra rule (presumably the Dogra dynasty)). Sources consist of family history blogs, mentions in passing, books that don't mention at all, etc. No better sources to be found. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:52, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Matriculate means to be enrolled at a college or university. Aga Syed Hussain was the first person to pass that examination which was considered as a great achievement those days. Moreover it was important especially for the Muslims of Kashmir who were living in a deplorable condition.Aga belonged to the Shia Minority group which has always been suffering. His achievements have made a great impact on the community in particular and the Muslims of the state at large. Aga syed Hussain opened the gates for other Muslims to study and participate in the exams and enter the civil services. He was the first muslim Judge ( for source please see the official website of the High Court of Jammu and Kashmir with its History ) He was also the only Muslim Minister during the Dogra Rule. sources have been given from various book , including History of Kashmir. He has been an inspiration for many civil servants. His Judgments are still being consulted while pronouncing decisions in the High Court. His works and achievements have been published in the famous Urdu Journal that is published in Lahore and Lucknow including kashmir. "Hakim-ul-Ummat. There is also a chapter dedicated to him in the book written in urdu by G Sufi..book Kasheer. Khan Bahadur Aga Syed Hussain was great great-grandfather of the Late American Poet Agha Shahid Ali. The name of Agha Shahid's father Agha Ashraf Ali is already mentioned in the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Zehnaseeb (talkcontribs)

Yes, we all know what matriculate means. But as I read the article, Syed Hussain was the first Kashmiri ever to matriculate, which is an astonishing claim, and requires exceptional proof. As to the claim of being the "first Muslim judge", he apparently was one of the three founding judges of High Court of Judicature in J&K, but the cited source does not mention him being the first Muslim judge. Surely, Islam had existed for over 1200 years when Hussain was seated as a judge; there must have been Muslim judges before him, if not necessarily in Kashmir, which did not appear to have a judicial system prior to Hussain's appointment. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:50, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes indeed Sayed Hussain was the first Kashmiri to Matriculate. With due Respects i would like to mention that the sources are many. including noted writer Amitav Ghosh who has written a chapter in his book "The Imam and the Indian, Chapter name "the Ghat of the only World". there is a mention of how Agha Shahid's Great Grandfather Aga Syed Hussain rose to prominence after passing his Matriculation. Also there is mention about this in the book Kasheer by G M Din Sofi, An urdu journal "Hakim Ul ummat" mentions the same. Certainly Sayed hussain was not the only and First judge in the History of Islam. The article specifically mentions the First Muslim judge and Minister in Dogra Rule. with due respects one has to study the History of Kashmir during the Dogra rule. Historians alone can understand the importance of a Kashmiri Muslim reaching to prominence. Book by Mridu Rai. "Hindu Rulers, Muslim Subjects" is enough example. another Book The Kashmir of SM Abdullah by C Bilquees Taseer. Kashmiris Muslims during the Dogras were the most suppressed. Begar was a common thing. this article mentions how a muslim rose to prominence despite the hatred towards the Muslim Community at that time when nobody could see the light of a School, Education..not to talk of entering services of the Autocratic Maharaja. it might help the students of History in understand how few Muslims managed to make a mark despite all odds in the small state of the Indian Continent, though an independent country during that period. With Best wishes.thanks