User talk:Maria Stella

I wish to object to your continuous deleting of the Holocaust from German history. Gidonb 22:29, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

And I object to your continuous POV-pushing and flooding of a short history section which is intended to outline the history of Germany as a state with alleged German wrongdoings. It may be your opinion that Germans are evil, but Wikipedia is no place for such propaganda. Using 30 % of the history section for 12 years which cover 0,6 % of the country's history is extremely POV. Maria Stella 06:45, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

As far as I can see, 30 % of the Israel history section is not spent on the Nakba. Maria Stella 06:58, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

3RR on Erika Steinbach

Hi. I have listed you and Space Cadet for a 3RR on Erika Steinbach. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR for details -- Chris 73 | Talk 08:16, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked oyu [1] for WP:3RR. Please take thetimeoff to read up on our policies. William M. Connolley 11:52, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board

Hello! I'd like to make you aware of the recently-created Wikipedia:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board. Feel free to participate with the project. Olessi 01:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Polish Nationalists

Hi Maria, I would like to show you a link to the official page of Polish Nationalists: [2]. Maybe it will "learn" you the difference between a nationalist and an encyclopedia editor of Polish origin. Also, please stop calling me a "polish nationalist", because I hate to be compared to these degenerates, and am ashamed to be their countryman. If you continue calling me those names, I will consider it a personal attack. You can call me a patriot if you have to, but if I was a true patriot, I would have stayed in Poland rather than have immigrated from it to USA. If you are so fascinated by encounters with nationalists, perhaps you should write a fan letter to the organization mentioned above. Unfortunately nationalism is not dead in Europe, it is a driving force for many people. Sad, but if we start labeling each other "nationalists" based on differences of our knowledge and culture, we will only help them grow. Sincerely, Space Cadet.

Hi Space Cadet;

I don't think the "Blood and Honour" are the only nationalists active in Poland. I would certainly consider parties like the League of Polish Families or even the PiS fiercely nationalist. You are however correct that there are also other nationalists around in Europe. Maria Stella 12:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Steinbach

Maria, pretty please, take your problems with the new version to talk before you blind revert to the version that caused so much stir. I've really done my best to make that article as NPOV as possible and it hurts me to see that people value my work so low. Halibutt 14:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I've tried to integrate some of the improvements, but the problems were not solved with your version. Basically, using Polish sources and Polish points of view in a biography on a German politician in English is wrong. The article should rely on mainstream German sources like her official biography. Maria Stella 17:53, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a based on cooperation and compromise between users. Blindly reverting to your version and throwing out work done by other editors is not productive, especially if you don't even mention the fact that you are reverting in the edit summary. It seems that some kind of a compromise has been reached on this article. Please keep that in mind before making drastic changes. Balcer 13:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

There is still no compromise reached. Whenever the Poles are ready to discuss actual compromises, I am ready to take part in that conversation. Maria Stella 13:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

And once again I would kindly ask you not to delete sources and references. I will not revert the article any more but will guard the dispute tag as long as the article represents purely Nazi German POV. As a sign of good will you might want to add back the references you unilaterally deleted. Halibutt 15:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

The article is representing a neutral point of view, based on the actual name and status of her birthplace when she was born, as stated in her own Bundestag biography. That you consider the Bundestag or the BdV "Nazi" isn't my problem. The link to http://szukaj.gazeta.pl/archiwum/1,0,2259930.html?wyr=Tygrysica%2Bwyp%25EAdzonych%2B is leading only to an advertisement page as far as I can see. 17:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

No, her own POV that makes her believe that the Nazi Germany had the right to annex any territory is irrelevant to the Wikipedia. And Bundestag simply uses the German name of that place. It does not imply any "reannexation" or "liberation" whatsoever. And the link leads to the archives of that newspaper. You have to log in to be able to see the text, but it's the best link I could find. Yet, you deleted also the references in German and English that were easily-accessible to all - for no apparent reason. Halibutt 21:05, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

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On POV Pushers

Hello Maria, before wikipedia I would have never believed, that this kind of everything distorting group could really exist. I can tell, you are getting an eye full yourself.

You fell into the trap of irritating same group by your innocent attempts at trying to insert some None-Pol POV. How dare you, don't you realise, that anyone not going along with all their POV is going to be ganged up on and declared a Nazi at minimum ? Look at old old wikipedia talk pages and you will find, that this behavior of constant barrages of trash- talk and ganging up on anyone not going along with this massive POV is endless. Once in a while a reasonable person like Jasra, tries wikipedia, but all the reasonable people get soon discouraged and leave.

That is the reason, why Wikipedia, even thought it is pretty good in some parts, is nevertheless nothing more than a type of 'Revolverblatt' (trashy sensationalising propaganda paper), copied, mirrored over and over (see google.com on any subject and wikipedia stuff always comes up first)

I get mad at myself for inserting factual knowledge into wikipedia, even though I realise, that everything soon gets trashed and it really is a waste.

My suggestion is 'cool it, (also to myself, it is really not worth it wasting time inputting into Wikipedia). Maybe you want to think of this part of wikipedia and the tedious job of constantly trying to clean up big POV messes as similar to changing diapers or 'pooper scooper', no matter how often you clean up after them, sh.. always happens again and again and again.

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Page move: East Germany → German Democratic Republic

You copy & paste moved the page East Germany to German Democratic Republic. I fully support your view that German Democratic Republic is the right place for the article. Pages should however newer be moved manually, but by the Wikipedia:Requested moves procedure. Copy & paste moves distort the page history. In this case the damage is even worse; we have completely lost the history before 23 May 2006. Where did you get the material from? -- Petri Krohn 01:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)