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Mailing WWE

I found some mistakes on wwe.com title histories and I also saw them refer to the Usos as 3 time champs in their info graphic, even though they are 2 time champs. I mailed them so many times over the years, NEVER have they replied or fixed anything. I even tweeted about 20 online staff guys, but they didn't care either or just made fun of me for caring. What am I supposed to do when I want to help? Any ideas?WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 13:44, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Simple, go with WP:RS facts. It could be a simple screw up like when they listed Rhyno as a former ECW Hardcore Champion (a title that never existed). They're people, accidents happen. ^{(talk page stalker)} CrashUnderride 16:21, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

I know they screwed up, that's not why I wrote this. I want them to fix it, but they don't care about my mails or tweets. What can I do? I don't want millions of people to see false facts on TV.WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 16:17, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

What does his have to do with Wikipedia? Please read WP:NOTAFORUM. It's not your responsibility to correct their errors, so I would really advise you for your own sake to just let it go. oknazevad (talk) 16:19, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

I has much to do with Wikipedia, because if they change it, we don't have to put stars next to stuff and say "WWE doesn't list them", "WWE doesn't recognize this"... Would make things easier.WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 22:42, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Template color

*Treker made Template:Bret Hart look beautiful this week, this inspired me to add some color to Template:New World Order and others. I took a look around and noticed that other sports leagues and teams use signature colors for their navboxes, such as Template:Boston Red Sox. I experimented with WWE's colors on their navbox in my sandbox; with both tabs open I mistakenly saved the real template, this is what I came out with. Is this something we should implement? The only thing I'm having trouble with is getting the lists (Television, Animated, Pay-per-view and WWE Network events, etc) to be red, white and black like the rest of it.LM2000 (talk) 14:29, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

I think it looks pretty great. Very recognizable as WWE. *Trekker (talk) 14:36, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

This was previously discussed and rejected. See here. Please do not add colors needlessly per WP:DEVIATIONS. oknazevad (talk) 18:15, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Well that sucks hard.*Trekker (talk) 18:22, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

@Oknazevad: so we're not allowed to have another discussion about it? lol. ^{(talk page stalker)} CrashUnderride 18:26, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

The guidelines that underlaid the conclusions of that discussion have not changed. If anything, the application of them in practice has become more thorough. So while a new discussion isn't bad, any conclusion other than what had previously been arrived at is unlikely, so let's not waste the electrons. oknazevad (talk) 18:38, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

A civil discussion is never a waste of electrons as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't have learned about these guidelines if this discussion had not come up.*Trekker (talk) 18:48, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Actually, I just read through that and it says that it's good as long as the contrast is good enough. I don't see how white/black isn't ok in that case. As well as pink/blue. I think it would be ok to start a new disscussion about this. That other one was from half a decade ago.*Trekker (talk) 18:28, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Pink/Blue actually does not provide enough contrast. See WP:ACCESSABILTY, where the tools for checking the contrast of colors are given. Black and white are accessible (of course), but outside of decoration what purpose does it serve? Navboxes are for navigating between articles, not for decorating the articles. oknazevad (talk) 18:38, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Because it's the people's signature colours. I didn't add the color for fun. I did it because it makes it directly recognizable as belonging to said person. Fine if Pink background/blue link doesn't work but it should still be able to be used when it works.*Trekker (talk) 18:41, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. Vjmlhds brought up a good point, "Coca-Cola, Pepsi, Burger King, McDonalds...they all have templates in their respective colors. They aren't sports teams." And to contradict what someone else said about WWE and TNA not being sports teams, they are organizations that sign people to contracts to perform for them, as do sports teams. So, kinda, technically. lol. ^{(talk page stalker)} CrashUnderride 18:32, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Well, even the sports teams' colors are contentious, especially in arrangement and having to get the colors to be accurate while still accessible (it's lead to good editors being blocked for months!) Not worth the trouble, especially since, unlike a sports team, not every bit of WWE merchandise has the same color scheme. I'd also note that Template: McDonald's has Likewise been de-colored. oknazevad (talk) 18:38, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

I didn't know about the previous discussion, if I did I would've brought it here first. With that said, that was five years ago and consensus can change. These things appear to be handled at a case-by-case basis, Template:Burger King is colorful, Template:McDonalds is not. There's absolutely no difference between the changes proposed here and Template:Italian American Sports Hall of Fame, which Bruno, Savage and others get placed in.LM2000 (talk) 19:11, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

• Support reinstating the reverted color templates and examining future colored templates on a case-by-case basis. There is no blanket ban on using colors, I don't know why we should have one for this project. Just as Template:WWE personnel currently has different hues for brands, Template:New World Order used different colored text to list various incarnations (Wolfpac/Elite in red, nWo2000 in silver, etc). These things are useful to readers.LM2000 (talk) 19:30, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
• Support by case-by-case per LM2000.*Trekker (talk) 19:42, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose colored templates. They're both inaccessible and frankly they make the template look like some fansite from 2006 Crisis.EXE 20:25, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
• Support Adding a little color jazzes things up a bit, and doesn't take away from the information provided - I see no reason why templates can't have a little color to them. Vjmlhds 9talk) 22:29, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
• Support - Adding color to the templates makes sense as certain professional wrestlers and professional wrestling groups/stables are associated with certain colors just like various sports teams. Editors should not go overboard and add colors just because they think they look nice but colors like the black/white for the NWO and pink/black for Bret Hart do indeed add something to the templates. - ZSJUSA 4:37 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Monster vandalism and WP:PUFFERY vio at Bill Goldberg

A self-righteous vandal, masquerading as the good guy, has gone and got the article protected so he can load it up as a poorly supported hagiography (one of his sources is WhatCulture, a thoroughly reviled source within the wrestling section that's long been banned at WP:PW/RS). The Goldberg history speaks for itself.[1] 195.88.75.75 (talk) 00:06, 14 November 2016 (UTC)