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Delta Meghwal rape case

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Subject is not notable. Media coverage of subject begins April 2016 and ends June 2016. Article should be deleted and redirected to "Crime in India". Jrheller1 (talk) 19:45, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Comment September 2016: [1]. Thanks and regards, Biwom (talk) 05:39, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

• Note that this is a September article in The Hindu, "Cong seeks Governor's intervention in Dalit girl’s case." It demonstrates major, national, in-depth coverage of this case continued into at least September.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:41, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Fyddlestix (talk) 04:44, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Fyddlestix (talk) 04:45, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

• Keep the media coverage has been massive, hence the topic passes WP:GNG hands down. Note that this article should be renamed "Murder of Delta Meghwal". Thanks and regards, Biwom (talk) 05:39, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
• Keep fully meets GNG. It is comparable (probably better sourced than say) Prathibha Srikanth Murthy. It may require some minor copy-editing to make it less "newsy" (I can do that).Inlinetext (talk) 08:55, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Comment - coverage in scholarly article in Understanding sexual violence as a form of caste violence, 2016,Prachi Patil (Journal of Social Inclusion) Inlinetext (talk) 09:55, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Not "scholarly" where anyone can make an account, login and post whatever they want to. Person still remains non-notable. D4iNa4 (talk) 10:09, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete and 'Redirect to Crime in India - WP:NOTNEWS, there are literally no sources after months and remains largely non-notable. It was a low-profile case that has received zero amount of coverage after months of its occurrence. D4iNa4 (talk) 10:06, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
• Comment - The Indian legal system is notoriously slow and, inevitably press coverage declines when there is nothing happening. I suspect it will pick up again when there is some movement in the courts. Admittedly, that could be two, three or more years off. Rape is a high profile issue in India, especially since Modi came to power (coincidence, not correlation!) and as such it does tend to garner a slew of short-term interest that, usually, doesn't seem to have a long term significance. Also, if we are to allow this article to be kept then we're basically going to have to allow hundreds of articles about the other rapes that have occurred in, say, the last three years. That could indeed be a NOTNEWS issue. So, I'm on the fence about this. - Sitush (talk) 11:01, 15 Februaruy 2017 (UTC)

BTW, if it is redirect then Rape in India might be more appropriate than Crime in India. - Sitush (talk) 14:31, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

• KEEP PLEASE. SIGNIFICANT SUSTAINED PRESS COVERAGE IN NATIONAL MEDIA. VERY SHOCKED TO SEE COMMENTS DALIT INDIAN FEMALE RAPE OR MURDER VICTIMS ARE EXCLUDED IN WIKIPEDIA BY SLOW JUSTICE SYSTEM. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.57.250.74 (talk • contribs) 12:44, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:23, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

• keep Here is a gNews search filtered by date; it shows coverage continuing through the end of 2016. [2] contravening Nom's understanding that coverage ceased in June 2016. I draw editors attention to Category:Rape in India, which shows a number of recent, high-profile cases; a consequence, presumably, of the growing focus on this issue in India. I suspect that a capable editor could demonstrate notability by expanding the article with WP:RS, which also could involve Hindi sources.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:59, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
• Note, however, that Crime in India will not work for a redirect, nor will Rape in India; both are long article about the topic that do not include lists of individual crimes. It is, I think, easy for editors to forget that India, with multiple languages, cultures, and a pop. of 1,400,000 (compared to Europe with 750,000) is far too large to admit of simply redirecting all notable crimes to such pages. What Wikipedia should have is a List of rapes in India that would include verifiable notable rape incidents, both those that are bluelinked and that are not.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:59, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Eh? If the crime was notable it would not be redirected. As for lists, as one editor who never forgets the Indian situation, the less we have of them in connection with India, the better. They are an absolute nightmare to maintain, and especially if redlinks are introduced. Don't get too hung up on WP:SYSTEMIC, please: we've got enough clueless do-gooders circling India articles without adding more to the list. - Sitush (talk) 19:48, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

And your so-called proof that coverage continued until Dec 2016 is very dodgy: there appear to be three items there, two of which are "review of the year" things, basically rehashing what was already said etc. I'm still not saying keep, delete or redirect etc but let's not introduce poor arguments. - Sitush (talk) 19:54, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Keep WHAT YOU MEAN AS DELTA MEGGWAL MURDER NOT NOTABLE BECAUSE THE LESS "WE" HAVE OF "THEM" IN INDIA ? WHAT IS YOUR CASTE AND WHERE YOU PUT UP? ARE YOU NOT READING SAWARNA BRAHMIN LADY WARDEN GOT DELTABEN RAPE AND MURDER? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.61.86.4 (talk) 14:01, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete Everyday there are are hundreds of cases which gets massive coverage. It can be recreated in the future if there is continued coverage. Marvellous Spider-Man 16:10, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
• Keep NOTNEWS is for excluding routine news reporting and breaking news. This is a well documented BLP with firm multiple sources spanning months and media forms and covered in a published paper by a JNUniversity scholar. The policy for notability is CRIME/VICTIM. Victim was earlier known as a national award winning child painter. The article is notable to highlight that the Police in the BJP Hindutva majority state removed Meghwal's corpse in a garbage tractor because she was a Dalit.Vedicant (talk) 05:56, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
• Keep Not a standard rape case - it has become a significant political issue and received coverage for that. AusLondonder (talk) 06:10, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete — WP:NOTNEWS applies. Though meets WP:GNG, lacks enduring notability to meet WP:EVENT. Hundreds of such cases happen everyday and most of them do not warrant articles. —MBlaze Lightning ^T 07:12, 18 February 2017 (UTC)— Note: An editor has expressed a concern that MBlaze Lightning (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion.

Hundreds of cases involving the elements of significant political controversy and class discrimination do not happen every day. AusLondonder (talk) 22:38, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Covered for only some days though, this remains random. Capitals00 (talk) 13:20, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete- WP:NOTNEWS. Event received attention only for some days and today no one talks about it. Largely random. Capitals00 (talk) 13:20, 19 February 2017 (UTC)— Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Capitals00 (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion.

The assertion that coverage was minor, local and brief is demonstrably false. Note that in-depth coverage of this case in major national dailies continued for months; here, for example, is Hindustan Times 14 June 2016 "Dalits demand CBI probe in Delta Meghwal rape case " [3]. That coverage continued in The Economic Times [4], Times of India here: [5] and here: `Dalit women's voices muffled behind veils', [6]. That use of this case by Dalit rights activists continues as here: in the HuffPost January 20167 [7] and here: [8] in a 17 January 2017 article focused on the Rohith Vemula case. And That it was included in a number of year-end roundup articles on the major news events of the year in major papers, example:"Year-Ender 2016": "The rape and murder of a Dalit girl hailing from Barmer who was studying in Bikaner also led to much..." [9] The Indian Express. I see no valid arguments against keeping.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:30, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

The Economic Times article and both Times of India articles E. M. Gregory cites above only mention the case in passing (exactly one sentence in each article refer to the case). The references to the case in both HuffPost articles are also very brief. These very brief references don't increase the notability of the subject. It also seems to me that focusing excessive attention on this one incident is unfair to the many other victims of rape. Jrheller1 (talk) 20:53, 19 February 2017 (UTC)