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Australian Feminism

Preface 1: The last significant contribution to this 'Feminism in Australia' article was Revision as of 05:37, 30 April 2014 (hardly 'recent')

Preface 2: The contribution to this 'Feminism in Australia' article "Gillard is perhaps best known, internationally, for the Misogyny Speech", where the majority of the Wikipedia citations regarding that 9 October 2012 speech were accessed within days of that speech. (eg accessdate=[early to mid] October 2012)

A section was added regarding an Australian Islamic leader who said Islam "is the most feminist" of all religions. Clearly a statement concerning 'Feminism in Australia'. Another article added related to the justification for men to strike women. There were hundreds of RSs articles in support of Australian women in response. All providing information about a very significant aspect of 'Feminism in Australia' in 2017.

I do not agree that this section should be removed as "recentism" and "wikipedia is not the news". Daily there are thousands of "recent" news articles added to Wikipedia. ( also refer Main Page > In the news > PICK ANY ONE > View history ) The removed sections should be reinstated.

PS There is similar issue at Tony Abbott and Islam Speedrailsm (talk) 01:16, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for starting this discussion.

The contribution about Gillard's speech is quite different as she was Prime Minister at the time, and the speech received massive news coverage worldwide.

I pointed to WP:NOTNEWS because it talks about "enduring notability". There are probably newspaper articles and various community leaders who make statements in Australia about feminism every day; the question is whether they have the same kind of enduring notability that makes them worth noting in an article whose various sections cover periods of 30-50 years. This article is a summary of feminism as a broad movement in Australia, it doesn't (and I believe shouldn't) contain details about everything said by everyone in Australia about feminism. (So the test for inclusion is not, as above, that it is "clearly a statement concerning 'Feminism in Australia' - it as to be more than that)

I think the question would be whether these kind of comments present an enduring and representative perspective regarding feminism in Australia, which I don't think they do. (Perhaps if the topic was Islam and feminism in Australia, it would be different. Or, for example, if these particular comments and their responses are picked up by a huge number of media outlets and reported on as a significant moment in history like the Gillard speech was, then they might be worth including).

But at the moment, I think it is too soon to say that these belong in a summary of feminism (as a broad movement) in Australia (over hundreds of years) and unlikely that they ever will.

Note: it'd be great to hear from some other editors rather than just the people who included and reverted the addition of this content! Melcous (talk) 22:06, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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 '''PS''' There is similar issue at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tony_Abbott#Political_views_.3E_Islam Tony Abbott and Islam]   [[User:Speedrailsm|Speedrailsm]] ([[User talk:Speedrailsm|talk]]) 01:16, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
+: Thanks for starting this discussion.
+: The contribution about Gillard's speech is quite different as she was Prime Minister at the time, and the speech received massive news coverage worldwide.
+: I pointed to [[WP:NOTNEWS]] because it talks about "enduring notability". There are probably newspaper articles and various community leaders who make statements in Australia about feminism every day; the question is whether they have the same kind of enduring notability that makes them worth noting in an article whose various sections cover periods of 30-50 years. This article is a summary of feminism as a broad movement in Australia, it doesn't (and I believe shouldn't) contain details about everything said by everyone in Australia about feminism. (So the test for inclusion is not, as above, that it is "clearly a statement concerning 'Feminism in Australia' - it as to be more than that)
+: I think the question would be whether these kind of comments present an enduring and representative perspective regarding feminism in Australia, which I don't think they do. (Perhaps if the topic was Islam and feminism in Australia, it would be different. Or, for example, if these particular comments and their responses are picked up by a huge number of media outlets and reported on as a significant moment in history like the Gillard speech was, then they might be worth including).
+: But at the moment, I think it is too soon to say that these belong in a summary of feminism (as a broad movement) in Australia (over hundreds of years) and unlikely that they ever will.
+: '''Note''': it'd be great to hear from some other editors rather than just the people who included and reverted the addition of this content! [[User:Melcous|Melcous]] ([[User talk:Melcous|talk]]) 22:06, 25 February 2017 (UTC)