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New book[edit]

A new book has been published with senior government figures giving on-the-record accounts of the reasons for the February 2015 leadership spill. The newspaper link only gives the main reason so the book itself would be more informative if anyone can access it. The WP article merely states that it happened without going into why which I find strange. Ties between Abbott and Credlin at the heart of their downfall Wayne (talk) 21:20, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, if that's the juiciest part of the book, then it's hardly worth reading. Abbot and Credlin rumoured to be lovers - based on what, small gestures of affection? - both deny it. Big story.
I'll agree that more needs to be said on why Abbott was voted out, but this book doesn't seem to be the source. Laurie Oakes or Paul Kelly or someone of that ilk would be a good source. When they bring out their books, they will have the whole story. --Pete (talk) 23:02, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
You missed the books content. Read the link. Federal MPs stated in interviews the reasons for the spill and gave permission to be quoted in the book. These people were there, you cant get better sources. The story is all over the media and TV so the books notability is not a problem either. The rumours were the primary reason for the spill and the reason Credlin refused to stand down when asked is notable...that without her Abbott was incapable of governing. Wayne (talk) 08:24, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
I haven't read the book, but if what is indicated in the story is the best part of the book, then it's coming up empty. Abbott wasn't rolled because anyone thought he and Credlin were an item. He was dumped because he was given a solid warning in February to lift his game, and he didn't. And the reason he ran into trouble in the first place is simple enough. He wasn't listening. That knighthood crap might have played in the Sixties, but Australia is well past it now. Along with a list of other things. --Pete (talk) 19:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
He was rolled because of Credlin. It had nothing to do with "lifting his game" as Turnbull continuing with Abbotts policies shows and the perceived affair was just the trigger. This has been in the newspapers every day for over a week and the subject of several current event shows which backs its notability for inclusion.

To dismiss Niki Savva's book, The Road to Ruin, as scuttlebutt or to just focus on rumours that Tony Abbott and Peta Credlin had an affair is an insult to all those involved who spoke up about the real issue - the abuse of power. Abbott, Credlin and the abuse of power

Wayne (talk) 07:33, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
I don't doubt that Credlin was a problem. But to blame her for Abbott's downfall is going too far IMHO. Abbott was the architect of his own downfall. To say that a Prime Minister is not responsible for his own performance in a highly visible job is ridiculous. If his perception was that Credlin was the problem and he was not, he would have dumped her. He must shoulder the blame for his own poor decisions, especially so after he was given fair warning by his party. --Pete (talk) 10:03, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
There are about five books on this already out, and Savva is a respected journalist. I am a bit tired of editors trying to pooh-pooh a reliable source that they haven't read because they want to argue with one sentence in it. I don't care how you phrase this section: summarise the sources and all is good, but I get cranky at bad attempts to take down reliable sources (particularly when they're books I have access to and the editor quibbling does not). (And to be clear, I agree with you rather than Wayne about Credlin, but our opinions are not the point - what the reliable sources say is.) The Drover's Wife (talk) 10:07, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2016[edit]

Add "English-born" before "Australian" at the start of the article.

Ralhazzaa (talk) 10:37, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done as that would be too repetitive. It is clearly explained in the second paragraph of the lead, the infobox and the "Early life and family" section - Arjayay (talk) 13:15, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Time to remove the two page protections and 1 revert rule?[edit]

Abbott ceased being Prime Minister and Liberal leader over half a year ago now... is it time to remove the pp-semi-indef/pp-move-indef templates and the WP:1RR rule from the article? Timeshift (talk) 13:41, 13 April 2016 (UTC)


Targeted Hanson in the late 90s[edit]

Please add the following to the 1994-1999 section on Abbott's career - it is lightly adapted from the text on Pauline Hanson's page. It was a big deal at the time, and Hanson is now not mentioned at all in this article.--211.30.17.74 (talk) 04:09, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

In 1998, Abbott had established a trust fund called "Australians for Honest Politics Trust" to help bankroll civil court cases against the One Nation Party and its leader Pauline Hanson.[1] Prime Minister John Howard denied any knowledge of existence of such a fund.[2] Abbott was also accused of offering funds to One Nation dissident Terry Sharples to support his court battle against the party. However, Howard defended the honesty of Abbott in this matter.[3] Abbott conceded that the political threat One Nation posed to the Howard Government was "a very big factor" in his decision to pursue the legal attack, but he also claimed to be acting "in Australia's national interest". Howard also defended Abbott's actions saying "It's the job of the Liberal Party to politically attack other parties – there's nothing wrong with that."[4]

References

  1. ^ "Howard knew of slush fund to target Hanson". Sydney Morning Herald. 27 August 2003 – via News Online. 
  2. ^ "Abbot denies lying over anti-Hanson fund". News Online. Lateline (Australian Broadcasting Corporation). 27 August 2003. 
  3. ^ "Honest Tony's too up front, says PM". Sydney Morning Herald. 28 August 2003. Retrieved 8 July 2016. 
  4. ^ Seccombe, Mike; Murphy, Damien (28 August 2003). "Watchdog rethinks Liberal links to Abbott's slush fund". Sydney Morning Herald. Retrieved 8 July 2016. 
Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. VarunFEB2003 (talk) 13:51, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
How is 'please add the following to the 1994-1999 section' unclear? --211.30.17.74 (talk) 04:18, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Done - a boat that can float! (watch me float) 12:53, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Undone: This request has been undone. Undone because of this warning left on my talk page, - a boat that can float! (watch me float) 16:08, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
@Diannaa: - help? --211.30.17.74 (talk) 01:07, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
There's no reason to undo the edit; I added the required attribution. 211.30.17.74, in the future, please note that attribution is required when copying from one Wikipedia article to another, so if the prose you wish to add fits that description, you need to say so. — Diannaa (talk) 01:11, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
I clearly noted in my request a week ago that the text was adapted from the article on Pauline Hanson. Will it be included in the article? --211.30.17.74 (talk) 01:16, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done I have restored the requested edit. — JJMC89(T·C) 01:49, 18 July 2016 (UTC)