Talk:Bindi Irwin

Stop deleting the article! I'm writing her biography, or at least a page describing who she is instead of redirecting to Steve. --Yancyfry jr 03:10, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

• Offspring of notable people are not automatically notable, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suri Cruise, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sean Federline, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scout Willis, etc. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

That's not right. She's a person. --Yancyfry jr 03:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

If it is true that, as the article says, she is as famous as her father, she deserves an article. Also, the Steve Irwin article says that she was working on her own TV show at the time of his death, which sounds very notable to me. Pvodenski 14:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

To say that she's as famous as her father is to stretch it a bit, but I consider her famous enough to have her own page. She's had that much exposure in the programs, not only as a cute little kid but actually taking part of the show. And her own show has just been cleared to continue and will air world wide in january-07. Hdw 13:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Count me as one who thinks she isn't worthy of an article. If she goes on and fronts a TV show, then create the article then. At the moment, she's just the child of a famous person. Delete the article, I say. Rocksong 05:59, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

She has appeared in TV programs. [1] Who are you to decide who is famous and who is not? Gdavidp 16:41, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Are you serious?! That's exactly what we do here: decide who is and is not notable (or famous). We are guided by certain policies and guidelines such as WP:BIO, WP:V, WP:RS and, probably most important of all, WP:BLP, but at the end of day editors have to decide whether or not a person is notable enough to qualify for an article. Appearing in TV programs does not mean a person automatically passes the test.

At the moment, I think it's best to leave things as they are with the material merged into Steve Irwin and this article redirected to that page. The alternative is we take it to WP:AFD and the article gets deleted.

Gdavidp, I strongly encourage you to review the policies and guidelines, especially if you are going to edit biographies. Thanks, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 18:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

You must be joking! She is very famous in Australia. A child star. Now even more so after the death of her father who was a living national treasure. I have added her movie role and hosting of a new television show. She was born into television. Croclover 07:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I wish to formally request that this matter be decided by arbitration. This page is getting a lot of attention. People clearly want to read about the subject Bindi Sue Irwin and not be redirected. Croclover 07:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I've deleted the duplicated article Bindi Irwin and moved Bindi Sue Irwin to that space. --

Who are you? You haven't even signed. Anonymous Vandal! I am requesting administrator assistance to prevent any further deletions from by these ignorant pests. Croclover 23:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

That was me, I forgot to sign. -- I@n 00:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Um, you realise that the people deleting the article are administrators? --james^(talk) 00:30, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm a new wikipedian and unfamiliar with how such things are done. Thankyou for the advice. He has reposted his unfounded allegations above your posting. Is that enough evidence? It will also be recorded in the logs I suppose. The Bindi Show is definitely going ahead. Her manager John Stainton has affirmed this. That makes her notable.

• “Bindi's new TV show is going to premiere next January throughout America and the world...."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,20351375-5005961,00.html Need further proof? Sunday's Courier Mail spells it out for you.

• Mantle passes to Bindi

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,,20377536-952,00.html She is the next Crocodile Hunter. I believe this blows negative arguments out of the water. Comparing her to babies like Suri Cruise who can't even talk yet are simply "childish". Croclover 23:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

To be completely honest, I doubt he has enough evidence... checkuser is not something done lightly, as it means exposing a users personal information, such as IP, even if it is just to a Checkuser, who either tells us that it's the same guy or not, but the Privacy agreement precludes letting the actual IP's out into the public. As for your links, please review WP:NOT, specifically the section on Not a Crystal Ball. When her show airs, she might then be notable, but we can not take into account future events now, as it would be a violation of policy. -M^ask 23:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou for the rapid responses. Wikipedia is certainly a large place to navigate. I had no idea your rule book was so well organised. I will come back after reading the links you have provided. Is it alright if I delete these libel messages from yale_s? They contribute nothing to the topic and I find them insulting. The links to the Courier Mail and other sources seemed perfectly ok to me. Ofcourse I'll remove them if they breach any rules. I posted the links in response to statements that Bindi Irwin was not assured of having her own show. It is not crystal ball gazing as it has been officially stated her show is going to air. She is already famous from countless television shows anyway. Croclover 00:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• P.S - Could an administrator please redirect the following page to the Bindi Irwin page as it is still being redirected to Steve Irwin. It is currently locked so I can't do it myself. Thankyou.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bindi_Sue_Irwin&redirect=no Croclover 00:58, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Please stop replacing official external links with namejacked redirects. Check where your links go and who is owning the site before listing as official. Hdw 16:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Can someone explain how links to her official pages can be regarded as spam? Hdw 16:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

LINKSPAMMER active on this page

Hdw wrote: " Please stop replacing official external links with namejacked redirects. Check where your links go and who is owning the site before listing as official."

CrocLover /Wayne Smith / Universe daily / 203.56.233.122 / etc, etc does not need to check the links. The redirect spam/neo-nazi/porn sites belong to him. He knows wher they go and is linkspamming deliberately. The Admins need to block the IDs and IPs, as all of Wayne Smith's sockpuppets are indefinitely exiled from WP.

See post #92 here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive56#Shutting_down_Universe_Daily_for_good. Yale s 17:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

it isn't hard to run a whois on a site. If the 'official' site you're linking is registered by j.random loser or a protected account it's not an official site. In this case you would expect official sites to be registered to Austrailia Zoo, Animal Planet or Discovery Channel. Hdw 00:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Hdw, I am not sure who you are talking to. If you are talking to "Croclover", than you don't seem to understand that he KNOWS its not the "official" site. HE IS THE LINKSPAMMER. If you are talking to me, then I already KNOW its not the "official" site. I am the one removing Wayne Smit's LINKSPAMs until the admins block his sockpuppet IDs and IPs. Yale s 01:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I was talking to all people who add external links. I'm fully aware that we have morons who waste their time being vandals, but we also have people who think that a site like www.bindiirwin.com or www.bindisueirwin.com must be an official one, without checking the registry. Hdw 01:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

• This girl definitely needs her own article. She is the top story on today's Sydney Morning Herald. Would an administrator please reexmine her notoriety. It's absurd she doesn't have one already. --Jirrupin 00:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

I have restored the history of the article and a redirect to Steve Irwin; feel free to create an article about her if you believe she is notable enough on her own. The previous deletion discussion resulted in deletion only because it was created by a banned user, thus not making any re-creation a candidate for speedy deletion. Please read the speedy deletion criteria. - Mike Rosoft 10:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)