User talk:Swingoswingo

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Hi. What did you mean by the additional citation needed tags in Early Muslim conquests? I've noticed you add these tags before for statements where the sourcing was of questionable reliability, and that's fine, but Lapidus is a solid RS, so I don't see a rationale for those tags. Eperoton (talk) 18:52, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi. The article says (cited as Lapidus): "Before Muslims were ready to build mosques in Syria, they accepted Christian churches as holy places and shared them with local Christians." This single line is enough to prove the quality of Lapidus. Someone else sharing Christian places of worship with Christians? I'm speechless. Before they were "ready to build mosques"? As if they did not have any construction material for centuries. Swingoswingo (talk) 19:10, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

The criteria for reliability are described in WP:SOURCES and WP:RS. As you'll notice, they concern reputation of publishers and authors, and not the quality of the source's content. This is not accidental. Other core policies (WP:NPOV and WP:NOR) expressely forbid us from making edits based on whether we agree or disagree with the source. The threshold for reliability is rather low, and even non-academic books from mainstream publishers satisfy them. Lapidus' book is not only published by a major university press, it also happens to be a widely respected reference, which you can verify yourself if you have access to book reviews from scholarly journals. So, no question there.

There are several policy-compliant ways of dealing with sourced but potentially dubious statements. We can check the citations and verify that the text accurately reflects the cited sources. I just verified the citations you tagged, and I will change one statement that should be made closer to the source. We can also investigate reliability of the sources based on the policy. Finally, we can check other RSs and if they present alternative viewpoints, reflect them with due weight per WP:NPOV. Your help with any of these would be appreciated. However, since those tags don't reflect a policy-based rationale, I will remove them. Eperoton (talk) 03:24, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

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Your edit

Swingoswingo,

I undid your edit in error and I just undid my revert of your edit, so it's back up. That was an error on my part. Sorry! KoshVorlon}User:KoshVorlon/Template:TimeStamp

No problem. Swingoswingo (talk) 19:35, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Spurious tags and sourced content removal

Hi-- Please stop adding spurious tags to articles and removing properly sourced content:

• Additional citation and better source tags are inappropriate for statements with at least one citation that meets WP:RS requirements. You're adding these tags to academic citations that obviously meet those requirements.
• Clarification, which and similar tags are requests to provide additional information. They aren't pretexts to remove properly sourced content, as you just did at Early social changes under Islam.
• Page needed tags are inappropriate for unpaginated online editions of encyclopedias.
• According to whom tag is inappropriate in a properly sourced statement. It is according to the cited source, unless stated otherwise.

In an earlier message on this talk page I explained how to handle potential NPOV issues in a policy-compliant way. Please heed the relevant policies. Thanks. Eperoton (talk) 22:54, 21 June 2017 (UTC)