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*Looks like [[Compelled speech|it's alive]] after all.[[User:TracyMcClark|--TMCk]] ([[User talk:TracyMcClark|talk]]) 20:44, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
*Looks like [[Compelled speech|it's alive]] after all.[[User:TracyMcClark|--TMCk]] ([[User talk:TracyMcClark|talk]]) 20:44, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
**In spite of what Jordan Peterson apparently thinks, saying "don't call someone ____ because it's widely considered rude/hurtful" is not compelled speech. "Don't call black people negroes because it's not the 1930s anymore" "What! You mean I'm *forced* to call them "black"? Their skin isn't even black! How dare you compel me to do that!" Hope you're both having a nice day, [[User:WanderingWanda|WanderingWanda]] ([[User talk:WanderingWanda|talk]]) 22:48, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

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"Wikipedia's articles are no place for strong views. Or rather, we feel about strong views the way that a natural history museum feels about tigers. We admire them and want our visitors to see how fierce and clever they are, so we stuff them and mount them for close inspection. We put up all sorts of carefully worded signs to get people to appreciate them as much as we do. But however much we adore tigers, a live tiger loose in the museum is seen as an urgent problem." --WP:TIGER


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Only 993143739 articles left until our billionth article!

We are only 993143739 articles away from our 1,000,000,000th article... --Guy Macon

Depiction of Wikimedia Foundation destroying Wikipedia with Visual Editor, Flow, and Mobile App

Depiction of Wikimedia Foundation destroying Wikipedia with Visual Editor, Flow, and Mobile App.

--Guy Macon

Calvin discovers Wikipedia

  • "A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction into a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Calvin, of Calvin and Hobbes. --Guy Macon

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Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet

"Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be -- or to be indistinguishable from -- self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time." --Neil Stephenson, Cryptonomicon

(talk page stalker) A late friend of mine put it this way: "Arguing with idiots is wasted effort. They have no minds to change; and unlike you, nothing better to do with their time." Jeh (talk) 04:25, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That works very well if turned about. "Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because you are almost always -- or are indistinguishable from -- a self-righteous sixteen-year-old possessing infinite amounts of free time." Edaham (talk) 07:20, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just because you have some money, that doesn't mean that you have to spend it.

Updated essay: see new "2016-2017 update" information near the bottom.

User:Guy Macon/Just because you have some money, that doesn't mean that you have to spend it.

--Guy Macon (talk) 17:57, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The most important[Citation Needed] page on Wikipedia

User:Guy Macon/On the Diameter of the Sewer cover in front of Greg L’s house‎ --Guy Macon (talk) 16:00, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"...It looks like Wikipedia is really pulling out all the stops in their latest appeal to their users..."

Donations Needed: Wikipedia Has Posted An Appeal Asking For One Night Of Physical Intimacy From Each User --Guy Macon (talk) 16:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Science ref desk

It occurs to me that your entry here[1] fails your own concept of requiring a citation. Yet your response has the ring of truth. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots21:42, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note to any talk page watchers: the above is in reference to a proposal that I made to run a limited-time experiment in which one of the Wikipedia reference desks would require all answers to contain links to Wikipedia articles or to external sources. The proposal was shot down by the ongoing consensus among those who are currently providing refdesk answers that no restrictions of any kind on their behavior will ever be acceptable. (To his credit Baseball Bugs appears to be open to some sort of limited-time experiment but clearly wants it to be a good proposal and has legitimate objections to the proposals posted so far.)
Bugs asks a very good question. I considered (and am still thinking about) unilaterally trying this or one of the other proposals, possibly with attempts to get others to voluntarily accept the same restrictions. The main reason I haven't is a lack of specific nut-and-bolt rules, which I think should come from a discussion.
Until I do decide to unilaterally restrict myself I will continue working under the same rules everyone else is working under. Does anyone want to argue that if I and I alone started using citations on every answer that it would have a positive effect? Does anyone want to make a commitment to join me in such an experiment for, say, three months? --Guy Macon (talk) 00:47, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What you could do is try to provide a reference for any response to a question, and get a sense of how difficult or easy that can be. Then you'd be coming from a position of strength on the subject. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots01:51, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That is a really interesting idea. Let me think about it. More later. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:07, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shameless plug

Shameless Plug (but I am plugging a proposed improvement to Wikipedia, so shameless plugs are allowed):

The 2019 redefinition of SI base units is scheduled to happen on 20 May 2019. I would like it to be Today's Featured Article on that day. To make this happen, it needs everything listed at Wikipedia:Featured article criteria (some of which it already has), followed by a nomination at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates, then a nomination at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests. Any help improving the article would be greatly appreciated. --Guy Macon (talk) 18:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have no experience with the featured article nomination process, but if the necessary improvements could be spelled out, I'd try to help. Good luck. Someguy1221 (talk) 20:40, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you like drama, break out the popcorn and read the following pages:

If past experience is any guide, I just kicked over a hornet's nest. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:21, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ANI discussion about JGabbard

I have initiated a discussion at WP:ANI#Fringe edits at Urine therapy following warnings regarding recent edits by JGabbard (talk · contribs). You may have insights to offer. BiologicalMe (talk) 01:19, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notice

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --WanderingWanda (talk) 06:09, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please see this close: [2]. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:27, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]


  • Looks like it's alive after all.--TMCk (talk) 20:44, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • In spite of what Jordan Peterson apparently thinks, saying "don't call someone ____ because it's widely considered rude/hurtful" is not compelled speech. "Don't call black people negroes because it's not the 1930s anymore" "What! You mean I'm *forced* to call them "black"? Their skin isn't even black! How dare you compel me to do that!" Hope you're both having a nice day, WanderingWanda (talk) 22:48, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]