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Kennel Club Books

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Unsourced, no obvious sources to add. Google provides a few directories and sales pages, but nothing about the company. Guy (Help!) 00:07, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 05:44, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 05:44, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Related AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lumina Media (the parent company). Pinging particpants not already on here: Cullen328, Carrite. Normal Op (talk) 15:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to Lumina Media. I did not find significant coverage of the subject.
Milliott, Jim (2004-05-14). "BowTie Inc. Adds To Pet Book Offerings". Publisher's Weekly. Archived from the original on 2019-08-25. Retrieved 2019-08-25.
The article notes:
Los Angeles—based BowTie Inc. is moving aggressively to up its presence in book publishing. The company is already a major publisher of pet and animal magazines through its Fancy Publications division and publishes pet and other books under its BowTie Press imprint. Last week, BowTie completed the acquisition of Kennel Club Books, a publisher that specializes in dog breed books, and BowTie chairman Norman Ridker told PW another acquisition of a pet book publisher is expected this week.
BowTie Inc. is the predecessor to Lumina Media. I added this information to the article.
Cunard (talk) 09:26, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Merge/redirect ^{^Atsme _Talk 📧 17:47, 26 August 2019 (UTC)} - fails WP:GNG, no independent RS to establish N. Press releases released by the company do not pass GNG, and neither does passing mention in unreliable sources. The simple fact that the company existed does not guarantee inclusion in WP. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 12:49, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Adding my thoughts for merging/redirecting - the merge should include a section about Kennel Club Books, taking into consideration the discussion at WP:RS/N with regards to context for each of their published books since not all of the information in the books they published can be corroborated/verified by (a) long-established, notable breed registries, (b) well-maintained historic documentation and pedigrees by long-established notable breed clubs, and/or (c) scientifically documented evidence, such as DNA mapping. Further consideration should include the qualifications of the authors, some of whom do not qualify beyond "pet enthusiast". Citations are missing in the books I've reviewed; therefore, it is important to make note when that occurs so our readers are not misled. People tend to believe that if a book or publisher is included in WP, it is a sign of legitimacy across the board. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 17:47, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to Lumina Media. Prolific enough for a mention on parent company's article. According to Open Library, Kennel Club Books has 312 works published between 1984 and 2012. [1] According to the 2004 archived version of the Kennel Club Books website, "Kennel Club Books was formed for the purpose of specializing in the publication of pet books", planned to publish an entire series of 377 titles on breeds, [2] and was releasing six new books a month. [3] Books by this publisher are mentioned in 39 Wikipedia articles. [4] Normal Op (talk) 15:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: A discussion about the publisher Kennel Club Books just took place on the Reliable Source noticeboard. Current link: [5] Archived link (in case it has moved off the board): [6]. Pinging participants not already here: Someguy1221. Normal Op (talk) 15:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Lumina Media — assuming that isn't deleted, which it shouldn't be. Carrite (talk) 15:56, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 *Related AfD [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lumina Media]] (the parent company). Pinging particpants not already on here: {{u|Cullen328}}, {{u|Carrite}}. [[User:Normal Op|Normal Op]] ([[User talk:Normal Op|talk]]) 15:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 *'''Merge/redirect to [[Lumina Media]]'''. I did not find significant coverage of the subject.<p>{{cite magazine |last=Milliott |first=Jim |date=2004-05-14 |title=BowTie Inc. Adds To Pet Book Offerings |url=https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/print/20040517/34761-bowtie-inc-adds-to-pet-book-offerings.html |magazine=[[Publisher's Weekly]] |accessdate=2019-08-25 |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20190825092101/https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/print/20040517/34761-bowtie-inc-adds-to-pet-book-offerings.html |archivedate=2019-08-25 }}<p>The article notes: <blockquote>Los Angeles—based BowTie Inc. is moving aggressively to up its presence in book publishing. The company is already a major publisher of pet and animal magazines through its Fancy Publications division and publishes pet and other books under its BowTie Press imprint. '''Last week, BowTie completed the acquisition of Kennel Club Books, a publisher that specializes in dog breed books''', and BowTie chairman Norman Ridker told PW another acquisition of a pet book publisher is expected this week.</blockquote> [[BowTie Inc.]] is the predecessor to [[Lumina Media]]. I added this information to the article.<p>[[User:Cunard|Cunard]] ([[User talk:Cunard|talk]]) 09:26, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' - fails WP:GNG, no independent RS to establish N.  Press releases released by the company do not pass GNG, and neither does passing mention in unreliable sources.  The simple fact that the company existed does not guarantee inclusion in WP. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 12:49, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
+*<s>'''Delete''' </s> '''Merge/redirect''' <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 17:47, 26 August 2019 (UTC)</sup> - fails WP:GNG, no independent RS to establish N.  Press releases released by the company do not pass GNG, and neither does passing mention in unreliable sources.  The simple fact that the company existed does not guarantee inclusion in WP. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 12:49, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
+**Adding my thoughts for merging/redirecting - the merge should include a section about Kennel Club Books, taking into consideration the discussion at WP:RS/N with regards to context for each of their published books since not all of the information in the books they published can be corroborated/verified by (a) long-established, notable breed registries, (b) well-maintained historic documentation and pedigrees by long-established notable breed clubs, and/or (c) scientifically documented evidence, such as DNA mapping.  Further consideration should include the qualifications of the authors, some of whom do not qualify beyond "pet enthusiast".  Citations are missing in the books I've reviewed; therefore, it is important to make note when that occurs so our readers are not misled.  People tend to believe that if a book or publisher is included in WP, it is a sign of legitimacy across the board. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 17:47, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 *'''Merge/redirect to [[Lumina Media]]'''. Prolific enough for a mention on [[Lumina Media|parent company's article]]. According to [[Open Library]], Kennel Club Books has 312 works published between 1984 and 2012. [https://openlibrary.org/publishers/Kennel_Club_Books] According to the 2004 archived version of the Kennel Club Books website, "Kennel Club Books was formed for the purpose of specializing in the publication of pet books", planned to publish an entire series of 377 titles on breeds, [https://web.archive.org/web/20040611170039/http://www.kennelclubbooks.com/about.html] and was releasing six new books a month. [https://web.archive.org/web/20040612002800/http://www.kennelclubbooks.com/new_releases.html] Books by this publisher are mentioned in 39 Wikipedia articles. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&ns0=1&search=%22kennel+club+books%22&advancedSearch-current={}] [[User:Normal Op|Normal Op]] ([[User talk:Normal Op|talk]]) 15:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 *'''Note:''' A discussion about the publisher Kennel Club Books just took place on the Reliable Source noticeboard. Current link: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#The_Bully_Breeds] Archived link (in case it has moved off the board): [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&oldid=912569140#The_Bully_Breeds]. Pinging participants not already here: {{u|Someguy1221}}. [[User:Normal Op|Normal Op]] ([[User talk:Normal Op|talk]]) 15:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)