User talk:Bart Versieck

User talk:Bart Versieck/Archive 1 User talk:Bart Versieck/Archive 2 Current status: > Awaiting posts. Hello! Please, append your message at the end of the page. This page is automatically archived by MiszaBot III. Welcome to Wikipedia! Goeiedag/Hello Bart Versieck, welcome to Wikipedia! Here are some tips: Take a look at the Simplified Ruleset. Read the Tutorial, How to edit a page and the Manual of Style. Find out how to revert, move and merge pages. Sign your posts on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~). Add yourself to the New user log and a regional notice board Ask questions at the Village pump or Help desk. Use the Show preview button Provide an Edit summary Add the correct image copyright tag to any images you upload Take a look at Consensus of standards Create a User page Be bold Ignore all rules If you feel a change is needed, feel free to make it yourself! Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone (yourself included) can edit any article by following the Edit this page link. 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Seeing as how it went through a good article review that noted that the introduction was good, it should remain there. Also, you have already twice broken your promise not to touch other's talk page edits for any reason, and I have brought it up here with another administrator to discuss the appropriate course of action. Cheers, CP 19:14, 1 July 2008 (UTC) No: it's not forbidden for me to edit talk pages, especially not titles, since I'm not correcting their mistakes. Extremely sexy (talk) 19:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC) You weren't to touch anyone else's edits on talk pages, period. Most other people have more leniency, because they do not have such a long history of disruption. Besides, if I had thought you were certainly in violation, I would have just blocked you instead of bringing it up with other admins first. Cheers, CP 19:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC) So why bring it up at all? Extremely sexy (talk) 19:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC) Bart, the agreement was you would not edit any person's comment - for any reason. Is having proper capitalization worth your indefinite block being reapplied? –xenocidic (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC) A title isn't part of the comment though. Extremely sexy (talk) 19:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC) a title is another user's creation. you are editing it. you agreed not to edit other's talk page contributions. I ask again, is it worth being indefinitely blocked because of capitalization? on a talk page, capitalization isn't important. –xenocidic (talk) 20:11, 1 July 2008 (UTC) No, of course it isn't, but I have seen others do it regardless, even for entire talkpages, and adding titles. Extremely sexy (talk) 20:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC) ...and others aren't under the very strict restrictions that you are. if capitalization bugs you that much, ask for it to be fixed as LessHeard vanU suggested. –xenocidic (talk) 20:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC) Meaning for everything? Extremely sexy (talk) 20:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC) Per my comments at my talkpage in response of the above, it is just easier if you didn't. Stay away from anything that looks like it may appear to be in violation of the terms of the unblock, and if you make a mistake and someone thinks that you are in violation - then don't argue with them, and don't do it again. If you still think you weren't doing anything wrong, then contact me and I will review and if I think you were right I will take it up with the other editor on your behalf. As Xenocidic says, "correcting" other people may be permitted for a contributor of good standing - and the best way of you becoming that contributor is to not do it at present. The best way of utilising your copy edit inclinations is to do it in article space, where it is beneficial and permissable - but PLEASE not in talk space. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:32, 1 July 2008 (UTC) I will ask you. Extremely sexy (talk) 20:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC) Great. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:40, 1 July 2008 (UTC) You are the greatest. Extremely sexy (talk) 20:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC) And yet you didn't ask him about this. Should I tell LHvU or will you? Cheers, CP 19:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC) You're really making me regret standing up for you, and you're doing a great job proving all those people who opposed your unblocking right. Yes it's confusing that he signed his post 4 days after the fact, but in the grand scheme of things, does it really matter? –xenocidic (talk) I understand you, although I only corrected the day and hour into the right ones. Extremely sexy (talk) 08:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC) Blocked for 3 hours Well, of course I was going to be watching your talkpage. If you needed to have changed the time/date you should have asked the editor concerned to clarify it, or asked someone else to place a comment, such as <small> (original comment placed at XX:XX on YYY and later signed as here.) </small>, under it. Please just sit out this block, BV, so you will remember better what it is that you must not do. Try to ensure that there is no "next time" LessHeard vanU (talk) 19:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC) Okay then, man: next time I will just ask him to correct it himself. Extremely sexy (talk) 08:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC) Lucy, you've got some 'splainin' to do. Am I mistaken in thinking that the agreement was that you wouldn't touch anyone else's comments for any reason? Cheers, CP 18:01, 17 July 2008 (UTC) Yup, I'm also waiting. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC) Make that three, and at least one willing to support a return to the indef block without a very compelling explanation. –xeno (talk) 22:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC) Violation...warning...promise not to do it again...repeat cycle. Postoak (talk) 22:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC) See next subject for my "explanation". Extremely sexy (talk) 14:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Blocked for 24 hours You have not answered the concerns of 3 editors above, so I have blocked you from editing while you consider your response. You will note that this block is longer than the previous one, and the next one will be longer still. This cycle of "violation/block" will increase until either you stop editing other contributors comments, or you are blocked permanently from the encyclopedia. Had you responded to the above it is possible that there would have been no block, although I cannot guarantee this would have been the case, but since you responded to subsequent comments on your page I have assumed you are unwilling to reply to the concerns raised. It was on this basis that I decided to reblock you. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:51, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Quite frankly, I support the original indefinite block being reapplied without a good explanation for this. This was not a minor typo correction in a header, this was not updating the time on someone's sig - this was a summary removal of someone else's comment putting back someone's comment that they removed themselves. The last two transgressions I could overlook, but this is unacceptable. –xeno (talk) 12:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC) (clarified –xeno (talk) 14:57, 18 July 2008 (UTC)) I haven't been on Wikipedia for more than a day, so I couldn't respond at all, and moreover, this was only a reversion, since I put something back, which is quite the opposite. Extremely sexy (talk) 14:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC) The person obviously wanted it removed, and redacted it within 10 minutes before anyone responded to it. You should not have put it back. Since you don't seem to understand why editing other peoples comments is not acceptable, I support a re-application of the 20:49, June 21, 2008 indefinite block. –xeno (talk) 14:51, 18 July 2008 (UTC) I did not edit his comment at all since it wasn't there anymore: I just reinstated it, so exactly how foolish can you people be? Extremely sexy (talk) 14:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Yes, I was mistaken above and clarified, nevertheless - you had no right to reinstate it. I also find it fairly disrespectful that you're insulting people who stood up for you and got you unblocked. –xeno (talk) 15:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC) I am not insulting anyone at all, whether they supported me or not, but just looking at the facts: this is a very minor thing indeed plus no vandalism, on the contrary really. Extremely sexy (talk) 15:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC) The person wanted their comment removed. You had no right to put it back. Telling people to get lost, calling them "blind", saying what someone wrote is daft, calling us foolish, you don't see how that is insulting and uncivil? To be completely frank: I deeply regret making a case to have you unblocked - especially because you feel your most recent transgression was "completely harmless" even though you've broken your promise not to edit others comments for any reason numerous times. –xeno (talk) 15:09, 18 July 2008 (UTC) I repeat that I didn't edit whoever's comment at all, and you were indeed blind, since you accused me of something I didn't do at all, plus I meant that I find this whole debate daft, not you, which is something completely different ("this is just daft" is definitely not the same thing as "you are daft", okay?), and I did not - repeat: "not" - violate any rule at all, moreover, it would be only fair to ask what the editor himself thinks about this: it's just an "edit" in good faith, as you know quite well: you are very much exaggerating things. Extremely sexy (talk) 15:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Additonal violation: [1]. Postoak (talk) 16:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Another one who is blind: that's my own edit I corrected. Extremely sexy (talk) 17:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Unblock requests Look again, please: there were no subsequent comments on my page, since the following headings already existed weeks ago and only this one is new, plus I wasn't online either. Extremely sexy (talk) 15:38, 18 July 2008 (UTC) This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Bart Versieck (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: See above Decline reason: After reading your talk page, it seems like you really don't understand what you did was wrong; besides, your unblock reason isn't very clear nor does it address the problem. — Jauerbackdude?/dude. 15:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked. This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Bart Versieck (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: Well: "LessHeard vanU" should be dealing with this, and he specifically stated that he probably wouldn't have blocked me if I had responded to them, and furthermore he assumed that I was unwilling to answer them since he thought that I had responded to others on my talkpage at that time, which is incorrect, because I wasn't online and the subsequent headings are from weeks ago. Decline reason: Declining unblock to remove you from the category and will leave a message on LHvU's talk page. –xeno (talk) 16:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked. Wrong: it is forbidden for an administrator involved in the discussion itself to act like you do, especially when stating no "reasoning" at all. Extremely sexy (talk) 16:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC) You asked for LessHeard vanU to review this block, so there's no need for the unblock template to remain open and have other administrators wasting their time by dropping in. It's a procedural decline, plain and simple. –xeno (talk) 16:24, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Okay then: I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. Extremely sexy (talk) 17:14, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Okay, I've reviewed this and agree that I made a big mistake - I looked at times rather than dates and it appeared to me that Bart had edited after being written to when he hadn't. So my bad there. However, I'm not happy with Bart's attitude to the people who have been trying to explain the circumstances, and also trying to explain that "no editing other peoples talkpage contributions" means "no editing other peoples talkpage contributions even, or most importantly when, they have previously removed them" so under the circumstances I feel the block should stay. If another admin reviewing my comments feels, however, that the block is inappropriate then I have no objection to the lifting or varying of same. Bart, for the sake of understanding I would advise you that next time you make a mistake in editing another editors talkpage contributions like this I will block you for a week without waiting for an explanation. If talking to you and explaining stuff isn't going to work then it will be increasing sanctions until either you stop violating the agreement or you are blocked permanently. If you don't like this arrangement I suggest you find another admin to try and keep you editing. I don't mind, but if you want my help this is all I am prepared to offer. I await your reply (in your own time, under the circumstances). LessHeard vanU (talk) 19:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Okay, but I for my part am still waiting for the editor in question whom I reverted to react. Extremely sexy (talk) 23:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC) As far as my two cents are concerned, for the incivility so neatly summed up by xenocidic in his last post in the "Blocked for 24 hours" section, I support a much longer block (as in, the week immediately at the very least). There's absolutely no excuse for that and it's not at all trivial. Cheers, CP 00:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC) I was not incivil, just very angry. Extremely sexy (talk) 14:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Editing Bart, there is no need to pipe World War II into the Second World War when "World War II" is the title of the article. It's a complete waste. Furthermore, trying to sneak it back in without explanation after I reverted it is not good faith and certainly not conducive to the spirit of Wikipedia discussion and consensus. Finally, it is extremely misleading and disingenuous to provide an automatic edit summary of "reverting edit blah blah blah", then perform a whole bunch of editing that is completely unrelated within the same edit (unless you also add in the edit summary that you are doing it). Your entire editing behavior, not just your actions on talk pages, are being watched, and shenanigans such as these are not very conducive to promoting your good faith contributions to this encyclopedia after so many warnings. Cheers, CP 19:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC) Sorry, but I honestly didn't know you had done this before, and I didn't mean any harm at all, you know. Extremely sexy (talk) 08:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC) Catherine Hagel Here is the link to the picture as you requested. I contacted Jeff Wheeler about it but I only asked for permission on Wikipedia. I decided not to contact him for free use. If you wish to contact him about the picture be my guest. --Npnunda (talk) 23:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC) Thanks, and I will do so, but have you got his personal e-mail address by any chance? Extremely sexy (talk) 08:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC) You should be able to find it at www.startribune.com --Npnunda (talk) 20:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC) Okay then, and I will contact him. Extremely sexy (talk) 10:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC) You may try again, since he fails to respond to my mail that Wheeler guy. Extremely sexy (talk) 14:52, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Snooker world rankings 2008/2009 Please stop undoing my edits on this article. All i'm doing is adding perfectly sensible internal links to snooker player articles. Thank you. Samasnookerfan (talk) 19:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC) Yes, but they are already linked above. Extremely sexy (talk) 20:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC) Blocked for 1 week You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for the reasons below. Please stop. You're welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. Cheers, CP 18:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Bart, I was coming here to get you to explain this, which I figured was pushing it given your circumstances. Then I saw your edit summary and figured that your incivility is reason enough to have you blocked. "I was angry" is not acceptable and is certainly not an excuse for incivility and a personal attack in the edit summary explaining your incivility. You've been a contributor here long enough to know that that behavior is not welcome here. I sat back merely pointed out the infractions when you were editing talk pages again, but I won't stand for this much incivility from an experienced editor. If LHVU or xeno want to discuss or modify the block, they're welcome to, but I believe that, given all the incivility and person attacks pointed out by xeno, this action is justified. Cheers, CP 18:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC) This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Bart Versieck (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: I wasn't uncivil at all, and I have just returned to edit to have you blocking me as a MODERATOR WHO IS VERY MUCH INVOLVED, which is AGAINST ALL RULES: you are ABUSING YOUR OWN POWER Decline reason: I've had your talk page on my watchlist since I declined your last request. The only reason that I didn't block you was because CP beat me to it. — Jauerbackdude?/dude. 18:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked. This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Bart Versieck (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: And your so-called reason for blocking me is non existant, let alone that you state why you decline it: you are just a good mate of Paul's and also too much involved Decline reason: For the sake of actually following procedures: I was reviewing the original unblock request, but Jauerback beat me to the decline. I would decline the request as well. B.V.: you have been blocked a great many times and your incivility has been a continuing problem. After all this time I'm surprised you haven't actually served a longer block like this before now. When you get back, engage in actual civil behavior, do not modify the comments of others for any reason, and we can all let this drop. Mangojuicetalk 18:49, 21 July 2008 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked. This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Bart Versieck (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: An "administrator" attacked me himself and then blocked me for so-called "personal attacks", while referring to another editor in an earlier dispute, for which I already had been blocked Decline reason: I won't unblock you, but I will give you some friendly advice. You seem to be on a path that I've seen before, and I know how your path often ends. Users who just cannot learn to talk politely to other people find themselves blocked for longer and longer periods of time. This is sad for those who just never learned good manners, and who don't understand why their way of talking to other people doesn't work on a project that depends on everyone working together peacefully. The ones who can't gracefully accept correction, who can't resist blaming other people when they are in the wrong or when they're blocked, they usually hang on for a little while, as the community hopes that they will learn better manners and be useful to the project. Eventually, though, the community loses patience with them, and they are indefinitely blocked. The reason is simple math: if the amount of trouble and unhappiness you cause is greater than the amount of improvement to the encyclopedia you create, then eventually, consensus decides that you are no longer worth the effort. This hasn't happened to you yet, but that's the direction you appear to be headed in. Whether you learn better manners and become a credit to the project, or whether you keep being mean to people and eventually get indefinitely blocked, is entirely up to you, and I don't care much either way- but your talk page is now on the watchlist of every admin who has declined your unblock request, so you can expect to get blocked a lot faster the next time there's a similar problem. — FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked. Note to admin considering unblock: here is the diff where xeno laid out all of the incivility and personal attacks; I forgot to include it in my original justification. Cheers, CP 18:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC) You are just trying to get me, which is a personal vendetta against me, just like you did with Robert Young: you are the king of personal attacks yourself. Extremely sexy (talk) 18:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC) I want to note for the record that the message I left at User talk:Jauerback was the first time I have ever contacted this user in any way, and my offer there is valid - I will not block Bart anymore (but I will bring violations to light) for anything, no matter how blatant, so long as this talk page has a few neutral admins watching it. I would also like to see some diffs that make me the "king of personal attacks" please, ones from after I became an admin since I admitted to any that I made prior to that during my RfA. Cheers, CP 18:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC) As Paul stated above, this is the first interaction I've ever had with him and only the 2nd I've had with you (now third). I'm about as uninvolved as it gets, but it doesn't take a whole lot to read through your edit history, block history, and talk pages to catch up. You can make all the accusations that you'd like, but it seems you should taking a harder look at your own actions rather than others. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 19:06, 21 July 2008 (UTC) I meant involved with me, but it's still a fact that he blocked me being very much involved from the very beginning, which isn't allowed at all in the first place, or is it? Extremely sexy (talk) 19:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC) From a review of your circumstances and your talk page, it appears that you are under very specific (and relatively minor) restrictions on your conduct. You cannot edit talk pages in a manner that alters in any way the contributions of others. Seems simple. Yet I see repeated violations here, and I do not see an acknowledgement that your conduct is problematic. Accusing admins of bias does not address your conduct in any way, nor does it give a neutral admin any reason whatsoever to consider an unblock. I also note that several admins, despite your history, have gone to bat repeatedly for you, and I must assume that the number of people willing (and able) to defend your actions is dwindling. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 18:58, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Canadian Paul is just a pain in the ass, and Ryan Postlethwaite knows it: I haven't modified any comments of others at all and yet he dares to block me again, against all rules. Extremely sexy (talk) 19:06, 21 July 2008 (UTC) No need to shorten the block to 3 days now, in fact, you're well on your way to an extension. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 19:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC) What is this all about three days: no block at all is the only fair solution, and you know it, man. Extremely sexy (talk) 19:14, 21 July 2008 (UTC) I concur that you have not edited the comments of others since your previous block; however, calling another editor a "bore" is indeed a personal attack, as seen in this edit, and thus the block is justified. I add that calling CP a "pain in the ass" is equally a personal attack, and I must formally warn you that further personal attacks will result in this page being protected for the duration of your block. Stop now, please. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 19:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC) But the main thing is -and I repeat - that he abused his own administrative powers or tools resulting in actions which are definitely too harsh indeed, so he just makes me hate him for all the right reasons, you know. Extremely sexy (talk) 19:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Adding to another editor's comment (even a timestamp) is still editing another editor's comment and a violation of your agreement. I'm surprised you still insist on pushing the envelope both in this regard and with respect to civility, and quite frankly, I still support a re-imposition of the original indef block. –xeno (talk) 19:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC) And there we are again: first of all, he blocked me for so-called "incivility and personal attacks", not for editing other's comments, plus, for your information, the date had been omitted, so that's no violation of any rules at all, especially when others are doing just the same. Extremely sexy (talk) 19:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC) At the risk of being repetitive: "...and others aren't under the very strict restrictions that you are." –xeno (talk) 19:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC) You were rude in one edit and added the date in another edit, and the two together got you blocked. Didn't you think to yourself, "since I'm not allowed to edit other people's comments, I'd better let someone else add the date to that?" Didn't you think, "since I've been in trouble for personal attacks, I'd better resist the temptation to put an insult in this edit summary?" As far as I can see from this talk page, you're about one personal attack away from an indefinite block that isn't going to be lifted, even conditionally- if I were in that position, I'd be carefully thinking about my edits before I made them. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Calling him a bore, which is - by the way - exactly what he is, is not rude at all (the truth hurts, you know, but it's still the truth) and I saw no harm at all really in just adding that date, because that's not a modification of one's comment. Extremely sexy (talk) 19:42, 21 July 2008 (UTC) You just keep digging that hole. As for the date, the appropriate way to have added that is with the {{undated}} template. –xeno (talk) 19:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Okay then: thank you for the information. Extremely sexy (talk) 19:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Yes, I think I mentioned earlier how sad it is when a user just doesn't understand the difference between civility and rudeness; if you truly think that calling him a bore is not rude at all, then you aren't just being rude because you choose to, but don't even know how to be polite. That means that your indefinite block is almost certain unless you can find some outside teacher who can instruct you in manners. My personal suggestion is that you spend this week at the public library reading the books of Judith Martin, whose writings on etiquette are entertaining and useful. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC) I'd still advise doing it on a newline, since you're still under restriction not to edit/remove/add to other's comments. –xeno (talk) 19:56, 21 July 2008 (UTC) What exactly do you mean with "newline", huh? Extremely sexy (talk) 20:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC) I mean to put it on a whole new line. So just say I left this undated. You would go on the next line down and put the template if it really bothered you. –xeno (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 20:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC) <-- like that. on a new line. so it's not on the same line as the person's comment and you don't get accused of altering their comment. –xeno (talk) 20:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Allright: I think that's a good idea. Extremely sexy (talk) 20:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC) This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Bart Versieck (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: Request for my mentor to unblock me again Decline reason: Procedural decline only, will leave a message for LHvU to come over here when he gets on. –xeno (talk) 20:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked. When you say mentor, do you mean LHvU? If so, I'd like to procedurally decline this, and I'll leave a message for him. –xeno (talk) 20:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Yes, I do. Extremely sexy (talk) 20:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Cheers, –xeno (talk) 20:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Thanks, my friend. Extremely sexy (talk) 20:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC) No problem. –xeno (talk) 20:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC) I'm just sick and tired of this Canadian Paul character, hence my expressions of late. Extremely sexy (talk) 20:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC) ← Well, its best not to be uncivil, either way. Type it up, preview it, then if it seems uncivil, discard the changes - maybe that will help. –xeno (talk) 20:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Good advice for the future, dear Sir. Extremely sexy (talk) 20:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Hmmm... Okay, this is the deal; I will unblock you, Bart, because as the aggrieved party Canadian Paul should not have blocked you (and as far as that is concerned, that is the end of that matter). I will then reblock you for 1 week for editing CP's post in exactly the same manner which earned you a 3 hour block earlier this month, and then block you for a further week for the language and insults you handed out for what would have been a legit block other than the conflict of interest issue. That equals a 2 week block. Or You sit out this block. You contemplate what, "No altering (including adding to, or undeleting) of other peoples comments under any circumstances" means. You contemplate also that while I am stating here and now I shall block you for a month for the next transgression, there is growing consensus to block you indefinitely if there is a next time. I'm an admin, Bart, and at the end of the day I enact the communities wishes (according to the rules and policies). You wish to remain editing and I have tried to help you, as a member of the community, to find a way to do that. If a larger percentage of the community want you not to edit and have good reasons for requesting that then I cannot and will not stop them, for I have no remit to do so. I don't think you need 2 weeks to figure out your likely (non)future if you continue in this vein, so I suggest you complete the weeks block and stay the fuck out of fucking with other peoples comments - cos otherwise it is a long or indefinite block. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)