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Happy editing! Cheers, Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:20, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

August 2022

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from one or more pages into another page. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g., copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted {{copied}} template on the talk pages of the source and destination. Please provide attribution for this duplication if it has not already been supplied by another editor, and if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, you should provide attribution for that also. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. Bamnamu (talk) 02:26, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks I'll make sure to do it from now on, starting with future edits, appreciate it. Sunnyediting99 (talk) 02:27, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

You appear to have copied text from Balhae to Balhae controversies without attributing it in you edit summary. You also need to make sure to copy over the refs not just the text. You left one of the refs in Balhae controversies as Cite error: The named reference Lee Ki-baik page 88–89 was invoked but never defined (see the help page), which I have fixed. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 19:05, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate it Sunnyediting99 (talk) 19:44, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia and copyright

Hello Sunnyediting99! While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.

• You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and cite the source using an inline citation. You can read about this at Wikipedia:Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Help:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here.
• Aside from limited quotation, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Following the source's words too closely can create copyright problems, so it is not permitted here; see Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. Even when using your own words, you are still, however, asked to cite your sources to verify the information and to demonstrate that the content is not original research.
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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Bamnamu (talk) 22:47, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Sure I appreciate it a lot, I think I definetly need to improve my knowledge on the Wikipedia guidelines on copyright, what are Wikipedia's copyright policies on Journals (that are avaliable to everyone) as well as what is the best way to find and attribute content from Wikipedia articles? Sunnyediting99 (talk) 23:00, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Please don't copy from journal articles unless you are sure that they are compatibly licensed. (Just because a journal is available to everyone doesn't mean we can reproduce its contents here; most are protected by copyright.) Attribution is required when copying from compatibly licensed material, public domain material, or when copying within Wikipedia. A good place to start when learning about how copyright applies to Wikipedia editing is Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright. — Diannaa (talk) 14:53, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

In the future, please add attribution when copying from public domain sources: simply add the template {{PD-notice}} after your citation. I have done so for the article South Dakota National Guard. Please do this in the future so that our readers will be aware that you copied the prose rather than wrote it yourself, and that it's okay to copy verbatim. Thanks, — Diannaa (talk) 14:13, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Just saw these, thank you I'll make sure to study these before doing future edits for some pages that I saw that require some history sections Sunnyediting99 (talk) 16:48, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Copying within Wikipedia requires attribution (3rd request)

It appears that you copied or moved text from Goguryeo–Wei War to History of Sino-Korean relations. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g., copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted {{copied}} template on the talk pages of the source and destination. Please provide attribution for this duplication if it has not already been supplied by another editor, and if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, you should provide attribution for that also. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. DanCherek (talk) 17:08, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for giving me this template. I've started using it from now on. So it would be ok if I used that for future use? I've a bit unfamiliar but would it go something like "Copied from Three Kingdoms; see the page's history for Attribution"

I just wanted to get a hang of things, hope this format works! Sunnyediting99 (talk) 21:08, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Also I'd just like to apologize to you as well as @Diannaa and @Bamnamu for my mistakes. I think I finally got the hang of it (usually after I write/find sources/copy from other pages I always forget to add the "Copied from" Format. I appreciate your patience and understanding very much and so sorry for my early mistakes! I think I got the hang of it now. Sunnyediting99 (talk) 21:14, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

WP:OR definition

Please see WP:PST and WP:NOTSOURCE. Being on Korean wiki does not make it a reliable source, Wikipedia is supposed to be primarily based on secondary sources, and quoting the same source without page numbers multiple times with no other sources in the same paragraph is bad form. There is no reason why you should not know this by now. Your later additions also directly contradict your previous ones so they can't have been very well researched or presented. Qiushufang (talk) 10:17, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree, I meant to say that I saw it on Korean Wikipedia and had incorrectly assumed that it had been well researched but as it turns out it was in fact not factually correct (or perhaps it was rather a mistranslation). The point raised on the KOR Wiki was indeed not as well researched it appeared given that the additions I found (from looking on the Korean websites) did directly contradict it.

As always I appreciate your constructive criticism though I do ask for your understanding given that I am still relatively new to Wikipedia and I am not as frequent an editor as you have been and you have five years of experience while I do not yet have one. I will take your advice to heart and read the two and I am sure with more time I can not make anymore beginners mistakes. Thank you for your help and I hope you have a good day! Sunnyediting99 (talk) 17:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

March 2023

Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles, as you did at Northern and Southern States period, you may be blocked from editing. Qiushufang (talk) 05:02, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Please stop with WP:SYNTH, WP:UGC and WP:RS

Much of the material you have provided in massive edits are not backed up by WP:RS, some contain WP:UGC, and possible WP:SYNTH. Nearly all are WP:NOENG. Sources you added in this edit such as this are WP:UGC because it is a wiki anybody can edit, this does not have an author and is not a reliable source, while another here seems to be self published or a blog with broken images. This is obviously a partisan source and should be avoided. Your material on "Balhaego" by Yoo Deuk-gong could have easily been sourced in English, which is preferred on wiki (WP:NOENG) if you had just taken a second to do a cursory search. There is also the matter of weight. The article is tiny, badly sourced outside of that one section, and does not need an essay on its historiography, which is only one part of the subject. This kind of half-assed heavy handed editing is not the first time this has happened, and includes other instances such as here and here. Qiushufang (talk) 08:07, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

You also seem to do this every time you are called out on your editing behavior, resulting in even worse editing and spamming of low quality sources. For example, in the edit mentioned you spammed this link without a shortcut five times. Citing a journal (고려에서 독립운동기까지의 발해사인식) without a page number or url even though it was obviously from a site. You need to stop this behavior. Qiushufang (talk) 08:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Your additional sources did not address the pervasive SYNTH and OR seen in your previous edit(s) as well. Ex. As a result, the historiography of the Northern and Southern period had emerged as early as the 12th century, when these two factions had clashed over the consciousness of the succession of history, whether Goryeo succeeded Goguryeo or Silla. is not supported in the source and is either SYNTH or OR. Considering you are a History Major according to your user page, do you not understand what synthesis or original research mean? Qiushufang (talk) 09:19, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

First and foremost, the source you mention me of being OR/SYNTH has absolutely no merit at all. The source says the following:

"묘청의 난 진압 과정에서 김부식의 동경파가 최종 승자가 되었다. 고려 건국 이래 계속되어온 고구려 계승주의와 신라 계승주의 대결에서 신라 계승주의가 최종 승리한 것이다."

"In the process of suppressing the rebellion in Myocheong, Kim Pu-sik's longing faction became the final winner . In the confrontation between the successionism of Goguryeo and the successionism of Silla, which has continued since the founding of Goryeo, the successionism of Silla finally won."

Many of the other sources also state this exact same thing. In regards to "고려에서 독립운동기까지의 발해사인식" and "『삼국사기』의 종합적 검토", the former is a journal yet it didn't have page numbers and more importantly it also explictly points out the historiography and the latter I intended to shortcut after later edits. The fact that you undid the entire edit in three minutes, when I had said in the first initial edit that I intended to make follow up edits (because quite frankly no one edits the entire thing in one go, the same applies to everyone) removed the chance for me to go through with follow up edits like I usually do. The idea was to start with historiography and then expand on the Silla and Balhae sections given how small both sections are given the relative comparative size of many of the other pages.

There are barely any English sources on this topic (Specifically the historiography), quite frankly you seem to be selectively applying the WP:NOENG given that for example in Goguryeo controversies on the Chinese POV, the vast majority of sources are in Chinese (obviously as it is from the Chinese POV). Similarly it's not surprising that the vast majority of Korean historiography is going to be in Korean/Not in English. Also most of the sources were absolutely reliable and I intended to comb through them again for a second review as I normally do, for example the KBS source is from one of the largest Korean news networks in the world. I also intended to include English sources in the follow ups, I had found two English sources, a journal article review from Byington and another from a research paper that I had intended to include in the follow up edits, but as I said it alongside some of the otheres were intended for a follow up edit.

Finally I do not appreciate the ad homiem, personal attacks you are directing towards me. "Considering you are a History Major according to your user page, do you not understand what synthesis or original research mean?" is quite frankly a very personal, directed attack that you did not need to add in here at all. You could have just repeated asking "do you not understand what synthesis or original research mean?" but you deliberately made it personal by including my personal info on my page that did not need to be included at all. It's moreso surprising too given that in both the examples you cited, I admitted I had made mistakes:

": I agree, I meant to say that I saw it on Korean Wikipedia and had incorrectly assumed that it had been well researched but as it turns out it was in fact not factually correct (or perhaps it was rather a mistranslation). The point raised on the KOR Wiki was indeed not as well researched it appeared given that the additions I found (from looking on the Korean websites) did directly contradict it.

As always I appreciate your constructive criticism though I do ask for your understanding given that I am still relatively new to Wikipedia and I am not as frequent an editor as you have been and you have five years of experience while I do not yet have one. I will take your advice to heart and read the two and I am sure with more time I can not make anymore beginners mistakes. Thank you for your help and I hope you have a good day! Sunnyediting99 (talk) 17:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Esiymbro, I think that is a reasonable point and thank you for pointing this out. I did not know about the latter, for now I agree with you then that we can keep the status quo of leaving both Kyeru and Huhan out, but perhaps then we can add these onto the Balhae Controversies section as this is perhaps a good way to highlight the complex multiethnic nature of Balhae, which clearly had Korean, Mohe and Chinese influences and hertiage. Thank you for pointing out, as for the first point let me look more into it. Sunnyediting99 (talk) 23:02, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

In both instances, I admitted I had made a mistake, I apologized for making the mistake, and thanked in both instances the feedback. I have never in our correspondence resorted to questioning your expertise on a topic especially on the grounds of your personal identity, I understand where your frustration may be coming from but seeing such an emotional inflammatory and passive aggressive jab when you didn't need to include my personal information (again you could have ended it at "do you not understand what synthesis or original research mean?" is disappointing.

This type of behavior I'm sure is not what the writers of Wikipedia:No personal attacks and Wikipedia:Civility imagined to be constructive criticism, and in future correspondence I would appreciate if you stopped the passive aggressive, personal attacks. Sunnyediting99 (talk) 17:10, 26 March 2023 (UTC)