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I agree with [[User:Ayaltimo | Ayaltimo]] it's [[User:Magherbin|Magherbin]] who instead need to be investigated for the possibility of being a disruptive sock [[User:Ragnimo|Ragnimo]] ([[User talk:Ragnimo|talk]]) 07:10, 24 November 2020 (UTC) |
I agree with [[User:Ayaltimo | Ayaltimo]] it's [[User:Magherbin|Magherbin]] who instead need to be investigated for the possibility of being a disruptive sock [[User:Ragnimo|Ragnimo]] ([[User talk:Ragnimo|talk]]) 07:10, 24 November 2020 (UTC) |
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::I think Somali editors part of the WikiProject Somalia need to contact one of the Noticeboards, because this is clearly 'racial-profiling' on steriods. There is not a single active Somali editor that hasn't been accused of being a Sock-puppet. We shouldn't allow this to continue any further. Also, @[[User:Ayaltimo|Ayaltimo]], I know you don't mean any harm but your 'comment' is quite similar to my comment in my own false Sock-puppet investigation[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/GoldenDragonHorn/Archive]. I point this out because one of their silencing tactics is behavior analysis as a justification for a ban, hence you shouldn't directly take my words as your own. If Magherbin is really Lokiszm7 start a new investigation. --[[User:GoldenDragonHorn|GoldenDragonHorn]] ([[User talk:GoldenDragonHorn|talk]]) 17:33, 24 November 2020 (UTC) |
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MustafaO
- MustafaO (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Populated account categories: confirmed
20 November 2020
– This SPI case is closed and will be archived shortly by an SPI clerk or checkuser.
Suspected sockpuppets
- MerseySide (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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Appears to be a sleeper account being used for block evasion. Behavioural evidence:
- MerseySide was created on 21 July 2017 [1], and was inactive until 3 May 2020 [2], a week after sockmaster MustafaO was permanently blocked on 27 April 2020 [3]. This is Inline with activity patterns by other confirmed socks e.g.:
- ChiefWanag, account created 10 June 2017 [4], and after a short burst of activity dormant until 3 April 2020 [5], (only 2 days after SPI initiated against MustafaO on 1 April 2020 [6]).
- Cabdijimaale, account created 10 July 2017 [7], then dormant until 28 January 2020 [8].
- Near identical top edited pages. Of MerseySide's top 10 edited articles[9], all ten appear in MustafaO's top edited article's list [10], these are: (Gadabursi, Zeila, Harar, Awdal, Zeila District, Zeila and Lughaya, Gurgura, Awbare, Awbube and Harirad).
- Identical idiosyncratic insertion of dates in edit summaries as well as use of "fixed" wording: e.g. MustafaO [11], MerseySide [12], also MustafaO [13], MerseySide [14] [... etc etc].
- Identical pushing of Somalia maps in Somaliland articles: MustafaO e.g. [15], [16], MerseySide e.g. [17], [18].
- Awareness of niche articles of interest to sock master MustafaO, e.g:
- Awbare with a daily average views of 2, has sockmaster MustafaO, MerseySide and confirmed sock Aqooni in its top 5 editors' list [19]
- Awbube, another niche article with under 1 pageviews per day and created by sockmaster MustafaO has sockmaster MustafaO, confirmed sock ChiefWanag and MerseySide as its top 3 authors [20].
This is a textbook WP:DUCK in my opinion. They are probably attempting evasion of technical scrutiny so please consider behaviour evidence presented. Best regards --Kzl55 (talk) 22:52, 20 November 2020 (UTC) Kzl55 (talk) 22:52, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
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Notifying @TomStar81: as the editor who started this SPI file. Please feel free to add your opinion or any other findings if I've missed anything. Best regards --Kzl55 (talk) 22:55, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Kzl55: Could be. Dating in the edit summary is a new thing though, we've never seen that before. A check through the cheat sheet suggests that this could also be either Mazi99, Sccsiciidafrica, or Siciid Cabdi Cismaan (Siciid Africa), all three show some similarities with this case. Of particular note here is that the account seemed almost exclusively concerned with editing its sandbox until September for some reason, and that the sandbox concerns an italian period for the Somalia area, which matches a fourth potential case, Brunodam. Also of interest is that the account appears to have changed behavior radically in September 2020, starting with a name change, which is new here. TomStar81 (Talk) 00:19, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
- @TomStar81: I have had a look through Toltol15 and I am in agreement with yourself and @Zzuuzz: that its a sock. Please find behavioural evidence below (also pinging @GeneralNotability:):
- One of their first edits was on Gabra people [27], this article has confirmed sock Soupforone as the top authorship editor [28], Middayexpress is no. 7th.
- Their 9th article edit was on Land of Punt [29], this one has both Middayexpress and sock Arboleh as 8th and 9th top editors respectively [30]. There are many other examples of such overlap in the Somali project.
- Northeast Africa has Toltol15 and confirmed sock Arboleh as 1st and 2nd in authorship, with Middayexpress ranking 4th [31].
- Interest in Maghrib-related articles e.g. Tassili n'Ajjer [34], confirmed sock Soupforone is no. 8th top editor on this article [35].
- Seems like another WP:DUCK. Best regards --Kzl55 (talk) 22:48, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
@TomStar81: I wanted to say that Geeljire is a Somali word that means Camel Herder or nomad. It's rather generic and this banned user User:Geeljire having a similar name to my own doesn't imply any connection. This account is the only one I've ever had on Wikipedia and I am not a sock puppet of any kind. If the name similarity was what raised concern then I hope this clears things up. WanderingGeeljire (Talk) 1:03, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Had a look elsewhere and found User:WanderingGeeljire, which I am laying odds on is a sock of User:Geeljire, which is presently blocked as he is a known sock in the Middayexpress farm. Additionally, a combative Somalia/Somaliland editor currently at WP:ANI under the header Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Persistent_disruptive_edits_by_USER:Toltol15_to_Sub-Saharan_Africa,_ignored_previous_ANI_report,_still_ignoring_explanations_and_warnings, User:Toltol15, should be check as well, s/he's got edits to the page Haplogroup CT, which includes Haplogroup T-M184, a know area of interest for the socks insofar as proving who is genetically part of what group is Somalia, and the edit summaries for the account are similar enough that I feel a check is justified. In particular, I call attention to this edit in which the account readds a map from an already blocked MustafO account ChiefWanag, and the fact that most of their early editing shows that they hit the ground running suggesting they already had a working familiarity with the site. TomStar81 (Talk) 00:52, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
- MerseySide is
Confirmed to MustafaO. Meanwhile, Toltol15 is technically {{suspicious}}, and specifically, there's a lot of relatively unusual technical overlap with Middayexpress. It's not possible to say if these two farms are technically connected. -- zzuuzz (talk) 18:51, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Clerk note: MerseySide
Blocked and tagged. Zzuuzz, how strong would you say the link is between Toltol15 and Middayexpress? The notes in the latter's SPI archive indicate that these two groups have very similar POV but seem to be distinct. GeneralNotability (talk) 20:54, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
- I'm arriving at this SPI, and in this topic area, for the first time, so bear with me. For the sake of clarity, I have found no technical connection between Toltol15 and MustafaO. That is to say, it's inconclusive. When it comes to Toltol15 and Middayexpress, the technical evidence is quite unusual, but not completely conclusive. Quite unusual in fact, and relatively persuasive. Likewise the interaction (analyzer) is persuasive. If I had found them making the same POV (something I'm still getting to grips with), I'd have probably blocked them already (and they should probably be blocked anyway for just looking suspicious). I'm aware that these two SPIs were split back in April, and I'm in no position to say that was incorrect or really make any comment about it. However, I'm also aware that it is claimed that Middayexpress uses VPNs, which might confuse things, so I'm open minded. Hopefully that's clarified my understanding. -- zzuuzz (talk) 21:39, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
- I reviewed Totol15, and they have a strong overlap with Middayexpress in articles edited but a few things give me pause. One big issue I see is that Totol removed some commentary that previous sock Soupforone added. I'm feeling like this may be yet another editor with opinions about the Somali people and Horn of Africa (possibly one who knows Mustafa and/or Middayexpress...the archives indicate that there is a forum or something that these folks frequent, if I'm reading it right). If they're being problematic (POV-pushing, edit-warring, whatever) I recommend just blocking them on those grounds. The Middayexpress archives note that this is also an area with a lot of people with strong nationalistic viewpoints who are not necessarily related. I'm not certain enough to block Totol as a sock of either MustafaO or MiddayExpress, and as such am closing this without further action. GeneralNotability (talk) 01:19, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
24 November 2020
Suspected sockpuppets
- Ayaltimo (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Ragnimo (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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Aside from the obvious usage of "imo" in both their names, these users are assisting each other edit war [36] [37] on Yusuf bin Ahmad al-Kawneyn. The sock of MustafaO, Aqooni had vigorously sought a one sided POV that both Ragnimo/Ayaltimo support now [38]. On the Zeila article Ragnimo restored a MustafO edit thats essentially original research [39] [40]. These editors are disruptive as they're removing content on multiple pages [41] [42] Magherbin (talk) 02:46, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
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This seems to be a common pattern to launch an investigation on Somali editors who dare voice their opinions and surely if you check our timecards we've edited at the same time before. Just because we have "imo" in our names doesn't indicate anything. Ragnimo and Timo are two different Somali words just to end the confusion. This is another way for him/her to silence editors that don't agree with his agenda by launching an investigation on two individuals in the talk-pages, with the lack of sufficient evidence is a strong sign that he/she rather silence the consensus than engage in good-faith discussion.
If anyone is causing disruptive editing it's @Magherbin who repeatedly removed a neutral POV section that accepted his source but couldn't accept the references that criticize his source and decided to revert more than four times which goes against the Wiki guidelines as you can see: [43] As for the Afar page I've asked him a few times and even pinged him in the talk page to discuss but he wasn't haven't it and engaged in edit warring while he was already clashing with @Ragnimo. He has yet to reply on the Afar talk page: [44] Final one to defend myself for Barbaria edits. Here is another reason why the user is being very dishonest and trying to silence the consensus. What I removed on that page did not relate to Ragnimo's edits because Ragnimo was removing the Monumentum Adulitanum theory as you can see: [45], while I was simply removing vandalism from a suspected sock puppet from Hamza678yu [46] who never mentioned the Monumentum Adulitanum theory. I also have a small history with that user who I believe, is linked with Lampard1234 (banned) and TBftf (a new account after Lampard got banned). This one is a new account but his previous accounts had a relationship with this user. See here: [47].
I find it amusing that @Magherbin would start an investigation of sock puppetting when he/she shows clear signs of being one of @Lokiszm7 sock puppets since they both pretty much edit the same pages. One time I removed one of Lokiszm7 edits on the Harari page: [48] and Magherbin decides to reinstall his edits back. [49]
Lokiszm7 was one of the big contributors of Harari [50] and when he was banned Magherbin showed up and continued expanding the page [51] The same thing in the Arsi Oromo page [52] and the Imamate of Aussa [53]. They're always on the same pages and here are more examples: [54], [55] and for Harar here is Lokis doing many contributions: [56] then here is Magherbin doing the same big contribution: [57].
Both Lokiszm7 and Magherbin represent as one of the biggest contributors of Harari-related pages and heavily contribute to the same exact pages. It's only after when Lokiszm7 was banned that's when Magherbin showed up. Whenever somebody removes Lokiszm7 edits Magherbin always reverts them back. It's all very suspicious.
I would like an investigation to be done on those two users as they may be the same person since the evidences are very compelling. Ayaltimo (talk) 03:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
First and foremost Ragnimo/Raganimo is a common Somali phrase meaning manlyness(Google it). Has nothing to do with the usernick Ayaltimo. Imo is not even a word or anything. Pathetic attempt to force a connection.
And How is it onesided POV? I explained that i created a balanced POV in the Talk page.[58] What appeared to me it's you who sought to include the Arabian origin and make it seem like it's disputed when it ain't. You also used a source leaving out a chunk of the context and additional info around it. It's clearly a myth as explained by the authors. There is an oral origin story and that oral origin story is regarded as a myth. Thats how it follows. He refrences a book which he clearly never even read but nitpicked and he delibritely misintreprets to try and fit his angle.
Magherbin has been making disruptive edits and made baseless claims. Like Somalis being Morrocan berbers or they were there before Somalis.[59]. Now because he is contested on it instead of defending his edits and responding back to us in the talk pages he launches sockpuppet investigation on that simple basis in attempt to shut editors down who disagree with him. He also likes to sends edit warnings to peoples talk pages to get them to stop restoring edits he takes out without explaining. He did the same to me on the Zeila talk page and took out edit that was sourced without even explaining how they were original research.[60]. As you can see i was also the only one who put forward a compromize to turn away from edit warring. And you can even see from the Talk page discussion he is editing under the intent that he believes Dark Skinned Moroccan people were living Zeila and Somali coast throughout. Something no source or scholarship even supports , it's completely baseless. Which i have explained to him and on a different talk page with sources [61] to clear out any confusion. Ayaltimo likewise explained the same on the Yusuf talk page with another source. Yet it's ironic how he talks about Original research. He took out a source he didn't even investigate and mentions Ibn Battuta even though the source refrenced is not from him but from Futah Al-Habasha.
His edits seem to have a specific ethnonationalist motives/agenda behind it and these disruptive edits usually always associated with edits surrounding Adal, Zeila, Harrar and Somali figures related to such. Which Ayaltimo has shown above. You don't try to impose this disruptive injection of Moroccan berber/Arab editing on Southern Somali sultanates or Islamic figures, which you appear to show little to no interest in. He also doesn't add this to the afromentioned Harrar/Harrari, Afar, oromo or related pages he edits. But includes weak sources/non-peer reviewed or add sources that don't mention what he writes down on those pages. He also shows no interest/engangement to the explanations or reliable sources given by other editors on the talk pages.
I agree with Ayaltimo it's Magherbin who instead need to be investigated for the possibility of being a disruptive sock Ragnimo (talk) 07:10, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
- I think Somali editors part of the WikiProject Somalia need to contact one of the Noticeboards, because this is clearly 'racial-profiling' on steriods. There is not a single active Somali editor that hasn't been accused of being a Sock-puppet. We shouldn't allow this to continue any further. Also, @Ayaltimo, I know you don't mean any harm but your 'comment' is quite similar to my comment in my own false Sock-puppet investigation[62]. I point this out because one of their silencing tactics is behavior analysis as a justification for a ban, hence you shouldn't directly take my words as your own. If Magherbin is really Lokiszm7 start a new investigation. --GoldenDragonHorn (talk) 17:33, 24 November 2020 (UTC)