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It looks like Rose's birthday has been deduced from an instagram post on his birthday. I feel this is not a WP:RS but WP:OR Rankersbo (talk) 06:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed; thanks. WP:BLPDOB applies, which is quite restrictive, and we should err on the side of caution. There's an interesting discussion at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#British_Members_of_Parliament_-_Date_of_Birth. It's not the same situation, but it goes through some of the issues here. @Bemland:. Bondegezou (talk) 10:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Instagram? It's Companies House as stated in the ref. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:45, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rankersbo and I have both reverted an edit that added a day of birth that was sourced to Instagram. Companies House only gives a month of birth and we've left that in the article. Bondegezou (talk) 11:44, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Candidacy

Is he really standing? He has a bus but is the official list of candidates out? As Americans can't vote in the election, how can he stand? Or is he a British citizen now? Companies House filings in 2020 say he is American. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

According to this papers to stand aren't due until 30 March. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:58, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He is clearly reported by RS as a candidate. As you note, papers aren't due for a bit. Lots of people say they'll stand, but then don't manage to complete the required paperwork, with a substantial deposit, so with all such candidates, I think it's important that we phrase text as something like "intending to stand". Bondegezou (talk) 11:43, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree.Slatersteven (talk) 11:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The question remains about his nationality. He is getting a lot of publicity for his channel from his announced candidature but is he even eligible to stand if he is American? Philafrenzy (talk) 12:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And in all that publicly no one has said he cannot stand, so I am going to say its not relvelant.Slatersteven (talk) 12:14, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, but it wouldn't be the first time that Wikipedia noticed something others hadn't. I guess we can wait until 30 March. He's notable either way. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To stand for Mayor, you have to be a citizen of the UK, Rep. of Ireland, EU (yes, still) or Commonwealth. We know Rose was born in the US; the article makes zero claims about his current citizenship. I think you're worrying unnecessarily. Anyway, Wikipedians may notice something others haven't, but WP:OR and WP:RS are clear. We write articles based on what reliable sources say, not our own original research. Bondegezou (talk) 13:37, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to reliable sources overlooked by the media because they sometimes reuse agency copy from Press Association, AFP, etc which may have been prepared without interrogating all of the reliable sources there are (foreign language, offline books, etc), but that is a separate matter. As far as Rose is concerned, we do claim in four categories that he is an American and nobody could read the article without inferring that he is an American citizen and indeed he has stated as much in filings with Companies House as recently as last year - but we can wait for it all to become clear in due course. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:29, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Rose has lived and worked in London for more than 20 years and is a dual citizen, American and British, since about 13 years back, according to his information given in several places/talks. Here is i.e. an pod-interview with Dave Asprey from 2014 where it's stated (about in the 7th paragraph of the transcript) and those facts can surely be confirmed by some official registers, at least that's how it works in my country, Sweden. https://daveasprey.com/121-brian-rose-from-london-real-its-about-the-journey/ .--Bemland (talk) 19:20, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::::::To stand for Mayor, you have to be a citizen of the UK, Rep. of Ireland, EU (yes, still) or Commonwealth. We know Rose was born in the US; the article makes zero claims about his current citizenship. I think you're worrying unnecessarily. Anyway, Wikipedians may notice something others haven't, but [[WP:OR]] and [[WP:RS]] are clear. We write articles based on what reliable sources say, not our own original research. [[User:Bondegezou|Bondegezou]] ([[User talk:Bondegezou|talk]]) 13:37, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 :::::I was referring to reliable sources overlooked by the media because they sometimes reuse agency copy from Press Association, AFP, etc which may have been prepared without interrogating all of the reliable sources there are (foreign language, offline books, etc), but that is a separate matter. As far as Rose is concerned, we do claim in four categories that he is an American and nobody could read the article without inferring that he is an American citizen and indeed he has stated as much in filings with Companies House as recently as last year - but we can wait for it all to become clear in due course. [[User:Philafrenzy|Philafrenzy]] ([[User talk:Philafrenzy|talk]]) 14:29, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
+::::::Brian Rose has lived and worked in London for more than 20 years and is a dual citizen, American ''and'' British, since about 13 years back, according to his information given in several places/talks. Here is i.e. an pod-interview with [[Dave Asprey]] from 2014 where it's stated (about in the 7th paragraph of the transcript) and those facts can surely be confirmed by some official registers, at least that's how it works in my country, Sweden. https://daveasprey.com/121-brian-rose-from-london-real-its-about-the-journey/ .--[[User:Bemland|Bemland]] ([[User talk:Bemland|talk]]) 19:20, 17 February 2021 (UTC)